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14 Aug 2010 22:33 #4966 by Maurice85
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Hi there,

First, a bit about me...

I completed a 24 hour water fast a couple of weeks ago and have just started day 6 of my proposed 14 day water fast. I've suffered with eczema since i was born, it was kinda subsided between the ages of 8 - 14 but has got progressively worse since then. I'm now 24 and am determined to get rid of this condition! Hence, i find myself here : )

Ok, so today i tried out the 5 step detox technique and almost passed out a few times when i was trying to get up out of the hot bath and into the cold shower. Even once i was in the shower i was extremely weak and had to hold on to the railings to keep me upright! It took quite some energy to dry myself down and leave the bathroom but its been an hour since then and i'm feeling a little better. So, was this massive lack of energy a good thing? Ala, was it a symptom of my body ridding itself of a large amount of toxins? Also, instead of having a hot bath, could i go for a jog instead and jump straight in the cold shower afterwards?

Thanks!

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15 Aug 2010 04:53 #4969 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re: 5 Step Detox plan question
Welcome to these forums, dear Maurice85!

You may consider it this way: During the fast and the 5 steps, you have not been putting anything into you that could have caused these symptoms. Thus, what caused them, must have been in you beforehand. The advent of these symptoms indicates that at least some of the contributory cause(s) has become "mobilized", moving from the cells to the circulation.

Always bear in mind one principle of the 5-step cycle: You do one until you feel ready for the next. You don't have to sit in a sauna or hot bath for an hour.. sometimes 5 minutes is enough.

A jog is an excellent idea, as step 1 of the 5 steps: Exercise generates circulation in the muscles, but we would ideally want this circulatin diverted to the skin (massage) then filtered by the sweat glands (heat) before sending it back to the organs. But rather do something than nothing..

Rather do several short cycles than one long or intense one if you are affected this way.

Hope this helps.

André

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15 Aug 2010 11:31 #4971 by Maurice85
Maurice85 replied the topic: Re: 5 Step Detox plan question
Thanks for the quick reply Andre : )

Actually my plan was to get my heartbeat up to 180, massage the circulation into my skin and THEN go for a jog. I normally sweat a considerable amount whilst doing this, probably more than i do just being sat in the bath. I'd then jump in the cold shower as soon as i get back home. Would this have the same effect?

Thanks

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15 Aug 2010 12:10 #4972 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re: 5 Step Detox plan question
The problem is, dear Maurice85, that exercise will "suck" the (toxic) circulation into the muscles under those circumstances. Sweat that is secreted during exercise functions primarily to cool down the "engine".. so it is often pure water. The idea of the sweat at this point in the cycle is to allow all avaiable blood (laden with toxins massaged into it) to go to the sweat glands.

It might still have a very beneficial effect and for sure you should try it but a passive sweat following the massage following the exercise has proven itself many times in my "average" patients.

Please try it and let me know how you feel afterwards.

André

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15 Aug 2010 19:10 #4973 by Maurice85
Maurice85 replied the topic: Re: 5 Step Detox plan question
I think i've decided that i will break my fast tonight, when i do work it's a pretty physical job and i've just found out that im working tomorrow. I didn't try the exercise idea as i've had very little energy today and am sure i would have passed out! I really would have liked to get to 14 days or beyond but i would barely be able to cope with work tomorrow. I will definitely be fasting in the future however, my eczema has cleared up a fair amount and hopefully through consequent fasts i will be able to eliminate it fully. I've lasted 6 full days so hopefully next time ill reach 7 or beyond. It's just quite hard trying to juggle the lack of energy and working a physical job! I'll be back soon no doubt :) Am i right in thinking that 3 days is the minimum amount to gain health benefits?

Thanks again

M

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15 Aug 2010 19:11 #4974 by Maurice85
Maurice85 replied the topic: Re: 5 Step Detox plan question
Oh by the way, i'm going to break that fast with some juice and honeydew melon, hopefully that won't harm my digestive system!

...and wow! It tastes amazing!

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15 Aug 2010 19:44 #4975 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re: 5 Step Detox plan question
That last remark is convincing evidence that your body agrees with your course of action.

Always remember that your biofeedback, if spontaneous and persistent, cancels out any theoretical advice me or anyone else can give you.

3 days is a minimum IF you haven't fasted in the past 10-14 days.. if you did, the fast is to a large extent a continuation of the previous one, so you don't need the 3 days again..

Now consider having this amazing experience every week...

André

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16 Aug 2010 20:29 #4980 by carolineq
carolineq replied the topic: Re: 5 Step Detox plan question
Sooo, if one did not do the message and sweat induction phases, and merely exercised, would they not be detoxifying their body? I guess I'm just a little too rushed to do these two steps fully and so I wonder when fasting, if you merely did fat mobilization but not elimination, where would the toxins collect, if no longer in the fat? They would eventually get eliminated correct? Muscle fed by blood imbibed with the toxin would still not hold onto that toxin b/c the toxin likes fat so if the fat is being depleted, would it not remain in circulation until eliminated eventually? Do the lymph nodes get bigger and swell with fasting?

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17 Aug 2010 04:38 #4981 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re: 5 Step Detox plan question
SOME detox will always happen, dear caronlineq, it's just much less effective.

The toxins tend to enter the circulation, first the lymph where it can dwell quite some time (That's why a lymph drianage massage has such rather dramatic effects on some people in this state). Once in circulation, the toxins will, like when they entered the body the first time, "seek out" fat containing tissues such as fat cells and nerve sheaths. Until it "finds" something, you have an opportunity to "ambush" them and get it to the surface via the sweat glands.

So unfortunately no, they will not necessarily be eliminated but sometimes just re-distributed to other fat containing tissues.

True about muscle.. muscle is water based so much less prone to accumulate hydrophobic toxins. Some people's muscles do contain a lot of fat however .. particularly ex-body builders.

Lymph nodes do respond but will take quite some time bo become palpably enlarged. They do however often become tender.

André

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17 Aug 2010 13:46 #4982 by carolineq
carolineq replied the topic: Re: 5 Step Detox plan question
This would then, argue for efforts to be made to decrease body fat to as little as possible to reduce the hiding places....and maybe the long consecutive fast is best...even for a busy person like me... I am going to attempt a long fast after my 15 mile run event and then, resume training for the marathon.

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17 Aug 2010 19:22 #4983 by TheFastDoctor
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Not quite, dear Carolineq.. body fat does act as a "buffer" to at least keep these toxins out of circulation until you have the opportunity to do a proper detox treatment.

I do admire your fitness and what you wish to achieve. Wishing you the best of health.

André

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18 Aug 2010 15:56 #4986 by carolineq
carolineq replied the topic: Re: 5 Step Detox plan question
Thank you! My partner is not really into massage which is sad because it could be such a wonderfully pleasant and relaxing experience. However, I may resort to begging for making this at least part of a routine.

I've read that you advocate manual (by hand) massage and then, if not possible, the use of automated massage... do they both work well... do I need to get my "lymph node" map out to see where I should massage or focus the efforts - the body is afterall, a large amount of surface area...

I wonder if I sat in one of those chair matts with vibrating areas to work on my back butt and hamstrings while I worked on the front, whether that would suffice. At first, my main goal with fasting was weight loss, but then, it became life extension, and now it's that coupled with detox but I suppose life extension and detox are born from the same parent goal - health overall.

I think we were meant to have four arms, arms that could reach the backs of our bodies as easily as the front. Or at least opposable hands... :)

While running today, I contemplated this phenomena that occurs when I'm overweight and it's cold...and I'm starting up a new routine after months of inactivity. If I go run in this scenario, the skin itches like crazy. Some have referred to it as capillary burst but I do feel running does jiggle things a bit more and the byproduct of that form of exercise, while unintended, is a sort of massage (jiggling of fat). Anyway, just trying to be optomistic about my limitations... but will strive to bring to fruition each of your five recommended steps eventually.

I'm starting a new fast today... for several reasons - two weeks before the race... I'm back up to the upper 150's weight wise (pounds)... I have no cravings for any particular foods, bout to start my monthly which takes away my appetite making it easier to move into the fast, and most importantly, I have developed a food reaction on my tongue (ulcers and tastebuds swelled last week after eating a slimy portabello, a ton of salt, and lots of spicy cayanne pepper). Not sure what caused my tonge reaction, but eating is NOT HELPING AT ALL. In fact, eating is making it worse.

So I need to give my tongue a break too.... Alas, it all comes down to the fast.

Oh, another thing, I want to see what my lab values are - I am do for a checkup 23August2010... and I figure if I at least fast until Monday of next week, I can get a good reading on the fast and if my liver enzymes are out, then, I'll get another reading, right for diligent followup? :) I find out my TSH reading next week... can't wait. Based on my hair still coming out, I assume it can be out, but I really doubt it...

I do enjoy it.

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18 Aug 2010 16:51 #4987 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re: 5 Step Detox plan question
The skin itch is likely at least partly due to toxins hammering on the door to get out.. try to do a sweat and cool down as soon as possible when this phenomenon starts.. if you could fit in a very quick massage beforehand even better but not essential in this scenario.

Your tongue is often used as an elimination organ so yes, while it's trying to get stuff out, it cna be frustrated by you putting stuff in..

Bear in mind that hair typically falls out a few months after an episode of hypothyroidism. It is lagging behind in showing up what's going on..

It's OK to persist while you enjoy it but please do not become deaf for the messages from your body: If it says it's time to break your fast, don't let a calendar or target or record tell you otherwise.

André

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18 Aug 2010 16:58 #4989 by carolineq
carolineq replied the topic: Re: 5 Step Detox plan question
Thank you on all counts...

as for the itch, it's something that has resulted in me scratching the dickins out of my upper thighs, lower abdominal area, back, and buttocks regions... but it's been quite some time since I've experienced it.

I will obey biofeedback!

thank you!

Caroline

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18 Aug 2010 17:24 #4990 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re: 5 Step Detox plan question
The skin itch is likely at least partly due to toxins hammering on the door to get out.. try to do a sweat and cool down as soon as possible when this phenomenon starts.. if you could fit in a very quick massage beforehand even better but not essential in this scenario.

Your tongue is often used as an elimination organ so yes, while it's trying to get stuff out, it cna be frustrated by you putting stuff in..

Bear in mind that hair typically falls out a few months after an episode of hypothyroidism. It is lagging behind in showing up what's going on..

It's OK to persist while you enjoy it but please do not become deaf for the messages from your body: If it says it's time to break your fast, don't let a calendar or target or record tell you otherwise.

André

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