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03 Jan 2010 15:24 #4231 by criticalfasting
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I did a 48 hour fast recently by accident almost: My stomach always seems to have water in it(can hear it floating around when lieing down) and I thought instead of just eating on top of it and ignoring my body I would wait till it was empty then eat a meal so it would digest properly, without water mixed in. 48 hours later and there was still water in there, and for the first time in my life I had skipped not only 1 meal, but 2 days worth. The amazing upshot to my surpise was the energy, focus and concentration that I have lacked for years came back with a vengeance, I felt like a new person, just by avoiding food for 2 days! I am now intrigued by the possibility of longer fasts, 40 days just seems crazy but possible. I think its clear my stomach was 'telling' me to stop eating because it needs a rest and time to repair which I do think the fasting approach will help cure. I also remember meeting someone at college who was Nigerian and said he used to do periodic fasting of weeks at a time and I thought he was a looney, but remember thinking he looked incredibly strong and healthy. But there are a few things I would like to hear The Fast Doctor's response on before I proceed with fasting. I want to start off small with a 3 day fast, if it feels good I will move to 7, 14 and beyond.

1) The body can only hold vitamin C for 4 hours, indicating we should have a steady supply of vitamin C or we will develop scurvy and a vulnerable immune system. I understand the body switches to bodyfat/ketones as fuel(sugar/protein) to survive, but what about things like vitamin C, the B group of vitamins, essential fatty acids. I can't see how the body will have a strong immune system with no vitamin c and b vitamins of the water fast alone. It really concerns me that your body cannot manufacture vitamins by itself, it can only manufacture ketones to make sugar but there are no vitamins floating round whatsoever.

2) Caffeine and tobacco are 2 of my favorite things that would be a nightmare to give up as well as food. I also remember my fasting friend form college smoked a lot of cigarettes before, during and after his fasting and non-fasting periods. How would it affect me to continue with these during a fast, they arent food after all.

3) I drink a lot of herbal teas like chamomile, peppermint, ginger, garlic, lemon balm and also one in particular, I am currently taking St Johns Wort(natural herb, not some god-awful standardized extract) for depression and anxiety which is working wonders. Can I still take herbs such as this as well I like ingesting minced raw garlic seems to be good for my stomach. Also dandelion and Milk Thistle are good liver detox and healers, seems would be good to ingest these during a water fast?

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03 Jan 2010 21:59 #4232 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re:First time fasting questions
Thanks for your participation and thought provoking thoughts, criticalfasting .. much appreciated.

1. The story that the body can only "hold vitamin C for 4 hours".. I would like to get some real scientific references for that. How in the world has that been measured and where? Many nutrients are in the blood for only a few minutes after you have eaten them, because the blood is only a transport medium to get things to the cells. Thus measuring blood levels does NOT represent the lifetime of a nutrient in the body.

The notion of scurvy.. well... this developed in people who were eating salted pork only for about 2 years in the belly of explorer ships in the 15th or 16th century.. I don't think it happens anymore..

2. Caffeine and Nicotine are both addictive drugs. They do NOT make you feel good, they only temporarily reverse the BAD feelings they cause in your body. Nicotine reverses its effect in about 20-30 minutes; caffeine can take from 6 to 26 hours. We who do not take in these toxins permanently feel the way you only feel while, and for the few minutes (nicotine) or hours (caffeine) after, taking your "fix"..

3. In a real fast your metabolism goes into "reverse".. which is inter alia why you do NOT need vitamin C or other nutrients during a fast. Catabolism functions differenly from anabolism. I see no function for ANYTHING with TASTE during a fast as this is likely just to tell lies to your brain: When the taste buds reports working, the brain tends to try maintaining Anabolism.. but has to scale down because there are no external nutrients.

I myself do not, and will not, take "supplements" of any sorts whatsoever. I believe they are made only to fill up the bank account of the "manufacturers". But then I am a bit of an extremist, and if you find peace in your experience, far be it from me to criticize. But thanks for indulging some 35 years' experience with real fasting.

André

All my posts are "generic", based on my opinions and experiences only and are not intended to replace the advice of your own licensed medical practitioner.

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27 Nov 2011 22:44 #9449 by tikobird
tikobird replied the topic: Re: First time fasting questions
Can someone help me with a question about fasting for the first time. I was reading about fasting from one to three days. I would like to cleanse my system and have the best health. Can I fast while I'm taking medication for bipolar disorder? i am currently taking lamictal and Nardil (a very small dose of Nardil). When I was interested in learning about fasting I thought about the medication I must be on. please help me with this. Thank you. :ohmy:

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28 Nov 2011 06:44 #9450 by Esmée La Fleur
Esmée La Fleur replied the topic: Re: First time fasting questions
Every doctor I have asked who is familiar with the process of fasting has told me that a person needs to be off all psychotropic medication before undertaking a fast. The reason is that the body utilizes medications much more efficiently while fasting and so less is needed. At the very least, you should be under the care of a doctor versed in fasting. However, it may be that a 1-3 day fast is no problem (as long as you continue taking your medication), while a longer fast would be a problem.

You may wish to repost this question under the section for The Fast Doctor where Dr. André Kruger, who has 30 years of experience in fasting his patients, can answer you.

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