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10 Nov 2006 19:58 #15 by ReginaNoel
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Well - I figure if I write about my experiences, I am more apt to stick to a program. I've been attempting this fast for weeks now - with no luck. I get so distressed - then I could care less about fasting. I just want to eat!! This is part of my problem, however. I have serious food addictions. This is my main interest in fasting. In the summer, I did a 7 day fast (the Neera Super Cleanse). I felt better than I had in YEARS! With the Fall, schedule changes and just plain life have left me distressed beyond belief. I'm looking to bring some balance back - and FORCE myself to deal with my \"issues\". Easier said than done!!!!

I have been eating a restricted diet, and am anxious to start a solid fast. I am hoping to start tomorrow, November 11. I intend to juice. Day one I am planning to have water only. Days 2 and beyond are juice. Any helpful tips or support are welcome!

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Regina Noel

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12 Nov 2006 19:56 #16 by ReginaNoel
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Well - I reckon I'll talk to myself, as it is myself I must deal with!

Yesterday did not go so well for me. Today I started \"clean\" again. I had juice (grape - taken from Brandt's \"Grape Cure\") this morning. And a little while ago I had some broth. I am never really sure about the appropriateness of broth during a fast (I've read that it is bad, I've read that it is good, I've read that it is \"acceptable\"...). But, I am quite active, and feel that I need the sodium and potassium it provides (also - I spent a LOT of time in the bathroom eliminating \"bad\" stuff - so I figure I needed to bring some electrolyte balance back!). So there you have it.

Back to my studies...

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Regina Noel

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13 Nov 2006 18:36 #17 by david
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We all wish you well with your fast Regina. and regarding the rights and wrongs of how to conduct your fast, or what you \"should\" have and \"shouldn't\" have,
Just go easy on yourself. Being too harsh can lead to an inevitable whiplash, so my advice for today would be, just be as gentle with yourself as you can especially during the first few days as they are always the most trying! Don't forget that we are not fasting in \"ideal\" conditions so a fast or liquid diet, will only ever be an approximation of the real thing until we can offer ourselves the luxury of a fasting retreat, and there are plenty of great ones out there.

Hang in there remember I am also fasting or perhaps it should be called semi-fasting!

David

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11 Feb 2007 08:08 #22 by TheFastDoctor
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Wish I could be of more help than some advice, but I'll try with the resources available..
My experience with thousands of fasting patients is that ANY form of TASTE during a fast tends to cause a few problems:
1. It stimulates appetite (hunger) and
2. It sends a signal to your hypothalamus (in the brain) \"telling\" it hat you are actually eating, so the release of fat breakdown enzymes are put \"on hold\".
3. It creates a \"grey area\" between normal eating and fasting, so progressively more difficult to draw a line.

I agree with David that it is that much more difficult in your normal environment, but it is also not always practical to go to a fasting retreat. It might however be best to use a retreat once, do at lease a week of fasting. Then whenever in future you attempt one or 2 days, it will appear so much less daunting (in comparison), which helps.

Appetite can also be modulated by
1. Exercise.. whenever you get hungry, go for a walk or a jog.. by the time you get back, it might have \"blown over\".
2. Carbonated water. The carbon in this water could be \"interpreted\" by your hinger centre as coming from carbohydrate, and this could modulate your appetite. Also, as the CO2 evaporates in your stomach, it stretches this organ, creating a feeling of satiety. Also, your body CAN actually manufacture carbohydrates (blood sugar) from CO2! This will ensure that your brain remains well nourished while the other organs rely more on ketones (fat breakdown products). Only a small portion of fats are converted to carbohydrate during its catabolism (breakdown).

Please let's get your feedback on this & let's then address the residual issues.

André

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16 Feb 2007 00:39 #24 by ReginaNoel
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It is funny that you should reply at this time, Andre! I am attempting another fast. On average, I fast one to two days a month. I usually attempt an extended fast every season (Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter - 3 to 7 days). I follow my \"gut\". Right now, I'm emotionally distraught. So I have been eating out of distress, which means I have been adding ADDITIONAL toxins to my system, aside from the distress hormones. I'm sure everyone knows what I am talking about! My fasts are usually oriented around my distress. I notice my pants fitting tight, that the food in the kitchen is disappearing at a rapid pace, then I realize, \"Gee - I'm distressed!\" Fasting seems to be the only thing that helps bring me back into balance. The downfall, is my will power!! I would LOVE to go to a fasting retreat!! Love it. However, I can't afford it right now. Additionally, I believe my \"problems\" lie here. I need to learn to deal with my distress - instead of eat it away. Being in a restricted food environment doesn't really help my psyche! I may, however, break down and buy some massage sessions.

I have never heard that about carbonated water. I thought it was bad, bad for you! And yes - I exercise - plenty! It does help. Tomorrow I am starting the \"Neera Super Cleanse\" (a.k.a. Master Cleanse). Going five days to start. Any other advice will be greatly appreciated! I'll try to keep y'all updated....

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Regina Noel

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17 Feb 2007 10:06 #25 by TheFastDoctor
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Thanks for your reply.. and I find it real funny to hear than anyone called carbonated water \"bad\"..! Sure, the commercial brands often contain surfactants to ease the solubility of CO2 into the water & I would avoid those.. but real mineral water with just a bit of Carbon Dioxide.. no problem. After all, your body re-uses about 80% of the Carbon Dioxide it produces under basal metabolic conditions.
Even in a fasting centre I have found my patients struggiling with self control unless they draw the line at TASTE. Any stimulation of your taste buds will re-ignite the hunger pangs and feeding reflex.
Personally I persist with at least one fasting day per week.. the moment you exceed about 10 to 14 days between fasts, it is as if the fasting metabolism \"shuts down\", which means that it would take about 3 days of fasting to activate it again. Less than this time, and your fast is actually a continuation of the previous, which \"lingers in the background\". You could try making a solid rule of having a specific fasting day (I choose Mondays) and stick with it.
If any cravings develop, I suggest you make notes of them and satisfy them the day BEFORE the fast.. doing so will amongst others ensure that the toxins in junk food (the most common craving) is out of your system as soon as possible after entering it. Make sure that you eat EVERYTHING on your list at that stage.. it will ensure that your cravings develop a \"trust\" in the list, thus subconsciously be satisfied the moment you write them up.
André

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17 Feb 2007 13:58 #26 by ReginaNoel
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So what about juice fasts? Does juice have the same affect on your system (taste)? Actually - I had hot tea with honey this morning, and have wanted to devour everything in sight since! I may have to go to a water fast. It is very cold here. I get cold easily to begin with. Any time I've tried to fast in the winter, I have had to have something warm to drink (usually tea or broth). But - I have noticed this seems to trigger a need for food (not necessarily out of hunger...).

I used to fast one day a week. Perhaps I will try this approach again.

I'm heading out now. I will check back later. I am very interested in what you have to say - it explains a lot of my fasting \"issues\"!

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Regina Noel

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18 Feb 2007 18:38 #27 by TheFastDoctor
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\"About juice fasts\".. you ask.. well I have maintained consistently that this is a contradition in terms.. like \"compassionate cruelty\". I can live on a juice DIET indefinitely.. juice IS food, and eating is NOT fasting. Whether the fruit/vegetables were chewed by a machine or your teeth makes no difference by the time it arrives in the stomach.

You understood right: ANY taste passing your lips \"tells\" your brain that you are eating. The hypothalamus (control centre of the subconscious or autonomous brain) then stops the fat mobilization in your body in anticipation of the food arriving. Thus you become hungry again.

If it's cold, well, you can always fly out to the heat here in South Africa, or.. just have plain hot water. Hydrogen Oxide. You don't need taste to become warm. Even a hot water bottle or heater on the abdomen tends to reduce that craving feeling.

Once in a while, about one patient in a few thousand, I do prescribe appetite suppressants (\"diet pills\") to help a patient get into the weekly fasting routine.. in particularly getting past the first 2 days. Once you have done a 3 day fast, you will only need the one day a week to keep the system active. The first 2 to 3 days most appetite suppressants work.. But using pills every day (like the manufacturer recommends, obviously to boost sales) does not... after a few days you have accommodated the effect.

Hope again this helps

André

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18 Feb 2007 18:53 #28 by ReginaNoel
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I agree with you. Juice fasting is a contradiction. I should just refer to it as \"juicing\". I will attempt a water fast this week (tomorrow). Hunger is not really my problem, however. It really is distress. I eat out of distress. I do see, however, that if I take juice, tea, or broth - I NEED to eat (now I know why!). Perhaps after a short water fast (I did a three day water fast years ago), I'll go to juicing (or back to the Neera Super Cleanse). Right now - it really is my psyche I'm dealing with. And I can tell the distress is having it's toll on my body!! How do you address this aspect with your patients? Smoking, drinking, taking drugs - and eating - are all ways we use to deal with distress. Once those distress hormones are turned on, they must be used...

Okay - so hot water, and a hot water bottle. And a good book...

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Regina Noel

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18 Feb 2007 19:13 #29 by TheFastDoctor
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You are quite entitled to have psychological issues with the world, with yourself and with fasting.. that is what sets us humans apart from animals and machines. This is also why so many people need to go to a special place to practice fasting.. and that's why David went to all the trouble of listing fasting clinics on the site. What a fine job he did!

Very often one needs the environment of a dedicated resort to get started, and many people consistently fail trying it alone at home.. please don't think you're the only one!

If you decide to try, bear in mind a few hints.. such as having a rather fatty \"last meal\" before the fast.. this activates your fat metabolism and makes the transition easier. Avoid proteins, as you don't want your body to burn your proteins during the fast: You wish to de-activate the protein metabolism in anticipation of fasting.

But remember: During a fast, when the fasts breaks down, they release toxins accumulated over years.. this is the main reason why people feel sick during a fast: Something needs to get OUT of your body, not IN!

We use a simple cycle of detoxifiation, with many combinations and permutations of the 5 steps, to make it less boring:
1. Exercise (Dinamic phase)
2. Massage (Tonic phase)
3. Heat (Pirophase)
4. Cold (Criophase) and
5. Rest (Stabilization phase)..
these needs to follow on each other in very rapid succession. This almost eliminates the adverse effects of detoxification. In a good resort, you will have several options for each of these phases, but at home you can surely do them all.. with a little imagination!

I explained this in detail in my first book on fastin (Health Won); I am sure you can get an e-copy from the Fasting Connection.

André

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30 Mar 2008 05:10 #635 by Jordan
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VERY INTERESTING André!! Any idea where I could find some medical information on how the body completes this process? Also, in your opinion will using Carbonated water durring fasting cause any negative problems with fast? I'll do a 34 hour fast tomorrow with Carbonated water as a quick test of it. Thanks

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Also, your body CAN actually manufacture carbohydrates (blood sugar) from CO2! This will ensure that your brain remains well nourished while the other organs rely more on ketones (fat breakdown products). Only a small portion of fats are converted to carbohydrate during its catabolism (breakdown).

Please let's get your feedback on this & let's then address the residual issues.

André

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17 Jun 2008 19:22 #846 by TheFastDoctor
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Jou may simply Google for \"Gluconeogenesis\" or check the index of a physiology book, particularly one that explains biochemistry, to learn the details of how carbon dioxide is recaptured into carbohydrate (blood sugar).

Have carbonated water with the greatest of pleasure. It just adds a very small fraction of carbon dioxide to what is already in your body, but at least it give some satisfaction by the sensory experience in the mouth and by stretching the stomach wall.

Just check if the \"manufacturer\" of the \"soda water\" did not add any \"surfactants\" which they often do to help the carbon dioxide dissolve. These chemicals may be a problem...

André

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