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Breaking the fast -- protein or fruit?

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13 Aug 2013 14:23 - 13 Aug 2013 14:56 #17969 by riley77
riley77 created the topic: Breaking the fast -- protein or fruit?
Hello everyone. I am new to this forum and many of the topics have been extremely helpful for me. I am on day 7 of a 7 day water fast and plan to break it tomorrow morning. This has been a very surprising (and great) experience for me.

My question is about breaking my fast tomorrow. I've read that it's better to break it with high water content fruit like watermelon, orange or cucumber. I've also read that it's bad to put that much sugar into your system in a rested state. Instead, the fast should be broken with a "gentle" protein and a little fat like a small portion of scrambled eggs or avocado. Any thoughts on this? I plan to go shopping this evening for my post fast diet. Thank you in advance for any advice.

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28 Dec 2013 00:41 #19234 by david
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Sorry I missed this one riley77 but here is a partial answer: www.fastingconnection.com/faq-about-fast...roteins-such-as-nuts

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28 Dec 2013 04:43 #19240 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Breaking the fast -- protein or fruit?
Dear Riley, welcome with your first post.

The term "That much sugar" would only apply if you use "that much" of anything to break the fast. Keep the portions low and then there's no "that much".

Protein is outright dangerous directly after a fast. Remember that amino ACIDS are simply carbohydrates with added Nitrogen radicals. If you eat this shortly after a fast, the body is forced to break down the amino ACIDS to get to the carbohydrate again. This releases AMMONIA which is very, very toxic. Your liver has then to work overtime to convert the ammonia to urea so that the kidneys can eliminate these.

Indeed there is a risk of ammonia poisoning on any high protein diet, and it is likely the cause of the current world wide epidemic of kidney failure.

André

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15 Feb 2014 14:40 #20289 by jackn58
jackn58 replied the topic: Breaking the fast -- protein or fruit?
I don't know, but I'd like to suggest another direction.
I don't mean this as practical advice to anybody, as I'm not expxerienced.
I just mean to share questions and get a conversation going.

To step back a second, many fasting practises seem to have to do with schools and traditions. In particular, the natural hygiene tradition has gained experience, followers and influence.
Thus, much of what is commonly practised, including raw fruit, is likely to be safe to the extent that we know, but alternatives may be worth experimenting with.

What we have is lore and art of fasting. This may remain the case for long, as there seems to be little funding for research and, more importantly, human fasting experiments in general, and long-term ones in particular, are hard to carry out.

As to Riley's specific point, I recall having seen a rare reference to unsuccessful fast breaking with milk. A book about fasting mentioned the ardent promotion of this practise by some doctor and what I seem to recall as the failure thereof.

Getting around sugar, however, might be an interesting tack.
The FastDoctor and David provide a rationale for avoiding protein. This could be called into question, but that's not my purpose here. Briefly, I'd call attention to at leat two reservations concerning this rationale: first, the limited period in which this would be practised, and, then, the similarity to low-carb regimes.

One might imagine at least two other ways of bypassing sugar, however.

One way could be vegetable juices, a common practise, but enriched with protein. This would limit the quantity of protein. In addition, raw or cooked protein might make a difference (rate of digestion and extent of assimilation).

Personally, I'm more intrigued by whether one could go for fat and veg.
During the fast, the body is living on fat. Ingesting fast is a different story, as there's the whole stomach and gut to go through, but can it be usefully done?
One might try olive oil, a liquid, pure fat. This would accompany veg juice, clear veg bouillon, or perhaps blended veg.

Again, sheer speculation on my part.

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16 Feb 2014 10:19 #20305 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Breaking the fast -- protein or fruit?
Vegetable juices, dear Jack, is an excellent source of carbohydrates. "Enriching" them with more ACIDS (Amino acids in your suggestion) will simply force the metabolism to extract the carbohydrate by breaking these down, releasing Ammonia which your liver will have to transform to urea and your kidneys will have to eliminate. But then your entire metabolism will become geared towards this protein breakdown process which puts your own proteins (muscles, organs) into the "firing line".

Ingesting fat after a fast can be a "smooth" way of transitioning back to food but it is inherently dangerous in that it over-supplies substrate to the fat digestive enzymes activated during the fast. That might cause an over-production of ketones which can lead to a keto-acidosis.

Fruit is juice by the time it reaches your stomach, but through the chewing and concomitant tasting process your body gathers some "advance information" as to what to prepare itself for. I really believe we should avoid processed foods/extracts/substances and stick with as natural as possible.

André

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18 Feb 2014 03:33 - 18 Feb 2014 03:34 #20342 by Lux
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Absolutely correct Andre, natural and as close to the living plant as possible, the processing strips the nutrients from the food. As to protein remember this, there is nearly double the protein in a hundred calories of broccoli as there is in a hundred calories of beef or chicken. Also remember that not all proteins are the same. Animal sources are high in sulfur containing amino acids. This sulfur is a step away from becoming sulfuric acid just as soon as it can marry up with some ions in your body. In order to prepare for that situation, your body has to prepare a buffer for it by pulling calcium from your bones to soften the blow. It is little wonder that the nation with the highest protein and calcium intake on the planet also suffers from the highest incidence of osteoporosis and cancer. Revert to natural plant strong food with little processing and live stronger.
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18 Feb 2014 16:47 #20348 by TheFastDoctor
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Beautiful formulation dear Lux, thank you.

André

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