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21 Jan 2008 19:39 #418 by mac88
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Well I am the first to post a question in this section and especially being a new member, I'm hesitant to post here but it seems like many of you are very knowledgeable on the subject of fasting.
Have any studies been done on fasting with subjects who are bulimic/anorexic? On one hand, I would think the actual breaking of the fast would be the most crucial point because of the binge/purge cycles in bulimics and the temptation to continue the fast in anorexics. On the other hand, isn't fasting supposed to make people feel like they have control over what they put into their bodies? Whenever I've broken a fast, I have binged/purged horribly and then restricted calories for a long time but that happened before the fasting as well. I think the binge was more out of being angry with myself for breaking the fast without planning to do so. I got into that mentallity of \"Well, you've screwed it up so you might as well make the most of it.\" Doh! lol.
I would think that fasting could help, though.
Plus, the weight loss is an added bonus as long as a binge does not follow the fast.
Has anyone here experienced a dramatic change as far as feeling that you are now able to control your impulse to eat or at least better able to eat only certain things?
Also, I was wondering how much to eat when breaking a fast in order to not gain weight and yet help the metabolism get back to normal. I'm sure it must be a gradual process but how long & how much?
Feel free to post a long reply to such a long message or just throw in what you know :) thanks!

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21 Jan 2008 22:12 #422 by Andrew
Andrew replied the topic: Re:dare i ask
Hi mac and welcome to Fasting Connection. I'm not sure many studies have been done at all on fasting in the way that you mean. There are many case studies though, personal experiences and those of many fasting doctors who have supervised many hundreds and even thousands of fasts. Many have done so successfull who had anorexia and bulemia, I'm sorry that I don't have any references to give you to specific cases though.

My personal experience was starting my recent fasts with an eating diorder, but that disorder was overeating to obesity. Of course bingeing on foods I shouldn't have even been eating in the first place was part of that. My plan from the start was to break each fast correctly, no matter how soon I had to break it. No set time was planned for any fast, I just fast as long as my body or mind is able to, then break the fast correctly with raw foods. Focussing in this way on the breaking of the fast more so than the time on the fast has worked very successfully for me so far.

I would suggest that you try breaking your fast with small amounts regularly on the first day. A small amount of juicy fruit or juice to start with- say the size of a small mandarin or two at the most. Allow two hours between these small meals on the first day at least. Increase the amounts and time between eating as you progress through the refeeding period. Always listen to your body and if at any point you feel like you've had enough to eat, if you feel at all uncomfortably full, then skip the next 'meal' and wait until you are hungry again. In this way your body sets the amount of food while you follow your desires for the yummiest ripe in season fruits.

As your refeeding progresses you can also add raw nuts and raw salad veggies. Keep the nuts to a small handful at a meal and only eat as much salad as you feel comfortable with. After a fast we start from scratch, we get to show our body the best foods and in turn it can show us how much of that food it needs, if we are patient and listen carefully to it's needs.

This way of fasting and refeeding has helped me a lot. There is little similarity between my diet before I started fasting in late August last year and now. My diet is totally healthy now and mostly- over 90%- raw foods. I do still overeat at times due to stress, that is the final hurdle to overcome with the last bit of weight that needs to come off.

I hope some of this helps, and you can get more specific answers to your question about anorexia and bulemia from others.

Take care and good luck,

Andrew.

\\"Truth is often painful, but ignorance is never bliss.\\"

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21 Jan 2008 22:34 #426 by mac88
mac88 replied the topic: Re:dare i ask
Thanks Andrew. Your reply answered many of my questions. It's interesting as well that we can \"show our bodies the best foods.\" I've found that the more processed, fatty, sweet foods I eat, the more often I want them! Likewise, when I'm eating healthy foods that are fresh and all-natural, I actually crave those as well! It makes sense that if I could introduce only the healthy foods into my diet once the fast is over, I might be less likely to eat the 'bad' foods and to feel the guilt that follows. Do you have any tips on how to make certain that I will only eat small amounts when breaking the fast? I can't very well lock my refrigerator but maybe it is better to break a fast at the end of the day or something?

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01 Feb 2008 10:36 - 28 Oct 2010 18:26 #493 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re:dare i ask
Excellent advice from Andrew. Unfortunately I am not qualified to answer from first hand experience, but I have a lot of second hand experience, guiding my patients through fasts.

It is true that when you start the habit, you "fall into" bad eating soon after breaking the fast, but that is often primarily the result of the novelty effect. Once fasting is part of your lifestyle things get a lot easier. During every fast you are aware of the fact you are going to eat again (so no real deprivation) and in time, the fasting allows your body to do proper "stock taking", giving you more appropriate feedback as to what to eat.

Generally I advise patients after a fast to have fruit only for a few days. Ideally on the first day we use only one fruit. In africa we prefer pawpaw, as it is a "pre-digested" food(the volume does not need limiting), followed by a day of any variety of fruit, then a day or 2 of exclusively raw, then one or 2 days of "balanced" eating (There are many variants) and then one day "free" to have whatever you craved during the previous week. This is followed again by at least one day of fasting and the cycle is repeated.

Please feel free to engage in correspondence (via this forum) if you wish to discuss more details.

André

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28 Oct 2010 14:42 #5307 by Purple Irene
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Dear Andre,

If I understand your advice correctly: you suggest 1 week as per the suggestions of fruit followed by raw and then a balanced diet. After that you eat a week's worth of balanced meals? Subsequently you start a fruit-raw-balanced week again? How long does this go on for?

Many thanks,

Irene

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28 Oct 2010 18:30 #5310 by TheFastDoctor
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I don't see where the "1 week" of fruit or balanced meals comes from dear Irene.. the entiry eating cycle as discussed here is a week long: It typically starts with a fruitarian diet and ends with a fatty meal just before the next fast. One week the fruit diet may continue for up to 5 days, another week it might be less than one day, but each week goes through the sequence of fruit working up to "balanced" before the fatty meal which prepares your body for the fasting day by initiating fat breakdown or catabolism.

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