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15 Feb 2013 06:35 #15374 by 10syogactress
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Over the last two months, I have attempted four one-day fasts. Each has resulted in my incompleting the fast and not only that, but a large binge (about 2000-4000 calories). Not only that but each binge is larger than the previous one.

What is going on here? Is this normal? Will my body and mind ever get adjusted so that I can fast without having a binge after I am finished?

I have done a five-day fast before (back in December) but lately, I am having trouble even doing a 24-hour fast.

I am not sure if this is normal or why this is happening.

I would like to get this down someday but am now beginning to wonder if fasting is for me. I weigh more now than I ever have in my entire life. Please help shed some light on my situation.

Many thanks in advance.

HW: 149 lbs
LW: 121 lbs
GW: 123 lbs

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15 Feb 2013 08:20 #15375 by david
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Hello 10syogactress there is a faq on Binge eating here is the link. This is a very good question as many people are affected by this and we need to know which strategy is optimal for dealing with it.

www.fastingconnection.com/faq-about-fast...ork-for-binge-eaters

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15 Feb 2013 09:19 #15378 by Shant
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Hello Syogactress,

I'm sorry to hear this again. Your body's been compensating what fasting took away. You may think that now that you put on some weight you need to fast those pounds off but each attempt results in another binge... right? I'm saying this as a woman and I totally know what you're talking about - because I'm there too. I don't get why the gentlemen over here don't take into account the delicacy of the female body. I sometimes wish I never fasted, for many reasons, believe it or not.

I said it so many times and I'm going to say it again: fasting for weight loss is just wrong.

And I think we need to share these post-fast experiences, especially women. I'm sorry, boys.

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15 Feb 2013 09:33 #15379 by Shant
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I have to correct it. From observations I made fasting is a good tool for obese people to successfully kick start the weight loss process and detox. For people within normal weight range it can be a struggle resulting in yoyo dieting. For lean people - multiply the last sentence by 2. I've read so many posts from different members and this tendency just happens even if we try to fight against it. Because we may think that we're different. Because we know everyone is unique. I'm sorry to be mean but I had to spit it out.

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15 Feb 2013 13:18 #15381 by TheFastDoctor
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Dear 10Syoga, what you describe here is not all that unusual. There's a barrier of some sort preventing you from "converting" your metabolism from anabolic to catabolic. We see that often at the Hydro and that is one of the really good reasons for a person to do a longer fast at a facility geared towards fasting.

"Supervision" goes way beyond just having someone looking over your shoulder: There's a lot of different ways to support you to break through this barrier. There may be physiological reasons (for example hypoglycaemia, an insulinoma, digestive tract diseases, etc.) or psychosocial factors. Thus a team approach would benefit you most.

André

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15 Feb 2013 20:39 #15394 by david
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why the gentlemen over here don't take into account the delicacy of the female body.

I am pretty sure this does not just happen to females but males are very much in the firing line too but I do hear what you are saying and I will most certainly modify the site to make all visitors very aware of this fact.

For people within normal weight range it can be a struggle resulting in yoyo dieting. For lean people - multiply the last sentence by 2.


The problem which is easily overlooked is that even people who fit into the 'lean' category can and do often see themselves as overweight. We have had a number of people sign up here who do have a manifest or latent eating disorder for this reason I have a very clear disclaimer as part of the sign up process. But I totally empathise with you Shant and 10syogaactress that it is a potential issue which needs to be addressed with clarity. For this reason I will change the wording on the homepage to make this fact clearer also pointing to various links on the forum and FAQ which address this topic. Thank you both.

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15 Feb 2013 21:51 #15396 by david
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Reading through some older posts I came across this post: www.fastingconnection.com/forum/Help-I-a...is-good-for-you#5558

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15 Feb 2013 21:59 #15398 by david
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I am going to move all posts which address weight gain after a fast to this category: "Can Fasting Change One's Metabolic Rate."

www.fastingconnection.com/forum/Can-Fast...Basal-Metabolic-Rate

So do keep an eye on this topic for updates.

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16 Feb 2013 08:42 - 16 Feb 2013 08:48 #15400 by Indie
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I've got to say I've been thinking about this with respect to my own experience. My "binging" after a fast, after measuring the caloric intake is much lower than my normal eating habits before I found fasting as a life changing force. I only think I'm binging because I get full quicker (or sick of it) and become quite uncomfortable if I eat too much and that point is reached much sooner than it ever did before.

The key for me was to get past 24 hours if at all possible. Anything less than 30-36 hours was only "dieting" for my body and it was much easier to binge rebound.

I really hope you get things sorted. For me, my regular eating habits included binging so fasting was my only way out and responsible for fewer calories in a given time period. Once you break that wall at 24 hours, you'll gain the confidence to get further and you will feel much better about yourself and your abilities.

Yes, everyone is different, but I honestly don't think it's got a thing to do with gender, but rather each person's individual physical and mental state at any given time. Keep trying.

BTW, it was much more difficult for me before I gave up fizzy drinks and caffeine. And heaven help anyone who smokes as well.
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16 Feb 2013 11:20 #15401 by TheFastDoctor
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Your experience is consistent with mine dear Indie. Although it APPEARS as if people binge more, over time the binges get smaller and healthier. There's just nothing to beat a new start...

André

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08 Mar 2013 04:33 #15667 by armadillojo
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Andre I think you hit the nail on the head when you talked about a supervised LONGER fast instead of the shortie fasts that these women have been doing.

I, too, experienced the fast-binge cycle when i was in college. This would happen generally when I "caved" after 1 or 2 days of fasting. It did NOT happen, however, after longer fasts.

I find that when I fast for 5 days or more the return to food is tentative and I am satisfied with far, far less food than before. I think that the short term fasts (1-2 days)_ are more suitable for UNDERWEIGHT people and those trying to GAIN weight. They seem to increase the appetite, as the body struggles to replace the glycogen lost during the mini-fast. But after the glycogen is long gone and the fast continues, the bingeing tendency seems to be curbed.

At least that has been my experience. These ladies should try LONGER fasting if they are going to do it at all. My two cents.....

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11 Mar 2013 06:47 #15687 by sviken0529
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I also believe when you do a 1 Day fast, and you eat your just mentally really hungry, because mentally you said no food. So you load on the calories thinking OH I will be doing another fast anyways.

Kind of like if you at more food than normal anticipating a fast, kind of like a stress reaction.

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