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Fasting for Psoriasis and Psoriatic Arthritis

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27 Jun 2012 15:57 #11226 by waterfasting
waterfasting created the topic: Fasting for Psoriasis and Psoriatic Arthritis
I plan to commence a 30 day* water fast (assuming my body doesn't tell me otherwise)

I have had increasingly bad psoriasis for about 5 years which about to move from scalp to face.

I have has Psoriatic Arthritis for about 2 years which is mainly in the toes and has effected my walking a lot.

I am not overweight, but do have excess fat. I have had a bad diet since a very young age and it has only slowly improved in recent years.

I currently live abroad and want to find a doctor who will keep an eye on me but they dont know much about fasting so I wondered what they should be checking for mainly.

I don't want to do it unsupervised for this time.

My bowel has always, always been sluggish and I am worried about the elimination part of all the toxins in my system. I often delay going to the bathroom, should I have a colonic prior to the fast?

I once did a 5 day fast and bowel movements stopped after 2 days.

I am sure my poor diet and lack of bowel movements are connected to my condition. It seems obvious.

Would love some advice.

Thanks

P

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27 Jun 2012 18:03 #11227 by david
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hello waterfasting, I moved your post to the Fast Doctor's forum. Once you get an answer for the various blood tests which are recommended during an extended fast I will add them to the FAQ page as this question as frequently been answered on here. :)

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28 Jun 2012 21:04 #11232 by david
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I just realized he this topic was not assigned for moderation by him but I have corrected this so hopefully he will read this post.

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29 Jun 2012 03:02 - 29 Jun 2012 03:03 #11233 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re: Fasting for Psoriasis and Psoriatic Arthritis
Thanks for the referral David.

Dear Waterfasting

I have seen some really dramatic responses from fasting in patients with psoriasis. One of the mechanisms involved is that, during a fast, the body secretes high volumes of natural endogenous cortizone.

Remember the bowel is not really an elimination route of toxins: It process food and gets rid of the residue but the elimination organs are mainly the kidneys for hydrophylic toxins, with the tonsils, sinuses, bile system, appendix, colon and skin helping on the hydrophobic side. The liver can't do much during a fast as it drains into the upper gut, but the skin can. That's why we do active fasting with the 5-step elimination cycle applied every day.

Of course bowel functions stop. Nothing in, nothing out. But you can flush the bowels once with a macrogol solution (by mouth, NOT by "colonic"!) if it makes you feel better.

Interesting when you mention you live "abroad". Where I am, it means you do not live in South Africa..

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29 Jun 2012 07:34 #11234 by david
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And here is the main topic link for all matters concerning colonics during a fast. fastingconnection.com/forum/Colonic-Cleansing

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29 Jun 2012 09:19 #11236 by waterfasting
waterfasting replied the topic: Re: Fasting for Psoriasis and Psoriatic Arthritis
Hi Doc,

Many many thanks for your reply, I appreciate you are busy!


"the bowel is not really an elimination route of toxins" - This means I have been very, very cruel to my body in the past.

I am worried about getting a fatty liver during fasting (is that foolish) my liver was punished severely in my UNI days from alcohol abuse.

Sorry - Abroad meaning Poland, I am from England originally.

So, I will skip the colonic then I just thought it might speed things up rather than just fasting and diet modification.

One more question - do you have any opinion on the mcdougal diet?

Thanks

P

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30 Jun 2012 16:33 #11241 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re: Fasting for Psoriasis and Psoriatic Arthritis
I don't know the McDougal diet so I have no opinion about it..IF I find time, might look it up..

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25 Jul 2012 23:05 #11509 by jlipton77
jlipton77 replied the topic: Re: Fasting for Psoriasis and Psoriatic Arthritis
Hey im on day 24 of water and juice fast curing my scalp Psoriasis daily,,,i have never seen faster better results...go for it...

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26 Jul 2012 00:01 #11510 by david
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Congratulations jlipton that is really good news!

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26 Jul 2012 00:35 #11511 by jlipton77
jlipton77 replied the topic: Re: Fasting for Psoriasis and Psoriatic Arthritis
david -i broke my fast today, but i really want to continue to 40 days..how many fasting hours does it take to reenter the fast...thanks

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27 Aug 2012 12:42 #12111 by waterfasting
waterfasting replied the topic: Re: Fasting for Psoriasis and Psoriatic Arthritis
Hi Doc,

My fast ended up as only a 10 day fast (ended two weeks ago now) How soon before I can try again for an extended fast, I am concerned about doing it too soon...

Thanks

Paul

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27 Aug 2012 13:02 #12112 by TheFastDoctor
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Well Paul, you can usually safely do 40 days in one stretch so if your extended fast is not beyond 30, the recently completed 10 days should not have a material influence. I would however recommend you re-stimulate your fat based metabolism by having a fatty meal upon entering the fast and avoid protein for the last 2-3 meals so that your metabolism is not guided towards proteins.

Ideally you should try not to allow more than 10 days to elapse between fasts if you wis to do them regularly, as the enzymes necessary to maintain the fasting metabolism tends to "expire" at about this time. I do one day per week to keep these enzymes active continually.

It typically takes about 3 days to establish a new fasting metabolism (referring to jlipton's question above) once the previous one has "expired".

André

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31 Aug 2012 15:35 #12156 by waterfasting
waterfasting replied the topic: Re: Fasting for Psoriasis and Psoriatic Arthritis
Many, many thank for your reply! N

Well, the 10 day period has expired now and I wont have the right conditions for at least another week (best friends wedding will involve at least a sip of champagne!)
but will bear this in mind for the future.

I think once my 30(ish) day fast is complete, I will try and do a 1 day fast a week as you employ and consider another extended fast in the future (6 months?)

I will remember the fat based meal!

ONE more thing I forgot about, the psoriatic arthritis I have seems to have caused some severe tendinitis so I am going to have to seek some physiotherapy (hopefully light) during the fast. I hope that wont cause me any major issue!

Thanks again for your time!

P

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31 Aug 2012 17:40 #12158 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re: Fasting for Psoriasis and Psoriatic Arthritis
Physiotherapy is an excellent idea dear waterfasting. In particular, one could employ ultrasound to reduce the inflammation. Too hard a manipulation could release collagen which might fuel the psoriasis. Anyway, I do suggest you consider a period of excluding all collagen from your diet, plus a few fasting episodes, and measure the activity of the psoriasis (compare the size of the lesions, serum CRP, etc.) before and after to see if you can reduce the severity of the condition.

Best wishes

André

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30 Oct 2012 17:30 #13423 by waterfasting
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Just for reference -

Day 10 of my planned extended fast, much easier than my last fast as I have no expectations about ending early for purely social reasons so I am not struggling mentally at all.

It is also a much gentler experience this time and I am sailing along quite comfortably.

I stopped loosing weight at about day 7 which really slowed my weight loss and gave me hope that I will make 30 days this time.

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14 Dec 2012 19:16 #14309 by waterfasting
waterfasting replied the topic: Fasting for Psoriasis and Psoriatic Arthritis
Hi All,

Well I successfully completed a 3 week fast, not quite 30 days but I can say it has made a significant improvement with regards to the arthritis in some joints, but not in others, e.g. in the extremities like my toes.

The skin also improved but returned to its annoying state about 3 weeks after completing the fast.

I am now deciding if I should start on methotrexate (thats my poison) or do regular shorter fasts in conjunction with my low fat vegan dand gluten free diet and see if I experience any further improvment...

How long until I can do another extended fast (safely) or rather how often can I do short fasts... I presume not even a fast of 1 day is recommended on my poison of choice....

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14 Dec 2012 19:42 #14310 by TheFastDoctor
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Quite an achievement, dear Water! I do hope you augmented this fast with elimination activities; that might assist the healing of the arthritic joints.

Do consider the weekly fast routine and see if it keeps your skin condition in a better shape.

Generally it's safe to eat half the days over a long term. Thus you can start with weekly fasts immediately after your first longer one, and once you have eaten about 30 days in total you should be adequately nourished for another 3 week fast.. but it obviously depends on the quality of your nutrition.

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