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02 Aug 2012 11:46 - 02 Aug 2012 12:01 #11612 by virelai
virelai created the topic: newbie to water fasting
Hi everyone,

Im a new addition to this forum and i have few questions for fellow members/fast doctor to help me toward a succesful 40 days fast.
Im 27 years old male, 171 cm tall. For the last 4 years of my life i suffered HNP (herniated nucleus popolus) on L4/LD and finally i went under microdisc operation on got my bulging disc taken care off. After a year there are sign of degenerative bone on my spine. The doctor told me im born with a weak spine. So i do regular exercise for my back.

I am also diagnose with glaucoma (i lost few dots/area on vision field test but luckily it has stabilized) and given with a lifetime perscription of eye pressure reducer eye drops. Im planning on doing 40 days fasting to completely cure those 2 incurable diseases. Will fasting cure them?

When i said i dry fast, i still take shower and brush my teeth because i work with people. I combined my fast with water fast. This' my brief out look of my fasting progress

Last time eating 07.19.2012 23.00

D1 dry fast
D2 failed - fasted until 20:00 and then i ate a whole fish + fish
D3 restart fast - last time eat at 23.30
D4 dry fast
D5 mandatory breakfast at 21.00 - drink young coconut and eat fried rice
D6 ate a bunch of food (entertain customer)
D7 restart fasting - last time eat 19.30 07.26.2012
D8 dry fast
D9 dry fast
D10 dry fast
Last time drink water @21.00 (2 bottles 600 ml)
D11 dry (counting from my last time drinking @21:00 yesterday)
D12 water fast (1500 ml) until 19:00
D13 dry (counting from 19:00 pm yesterday)
D14 water (1200 ml) + 4 tablespoon of honey + multi vitamin water until @1400

I have few questions, i plan to count my fast effectively from D7, so i had only fasted for 7 days. I want to know the effect of me drinking honey on my fast. Does it affect my fasting and healing process? I drink about 300 calories worth of honey. Does this count as failure?

My other question is thatI if i were to count my fast from D1 until today D15, how does my failure on D2, D5, D6 affect the whole fast?

Did i count right? A whole day dry fast is 24 hours from i the last time i drink?

Lastly, i suffered from adult acne where i have plenty of old acne scar to my face, darken hyperpigmentation, ice pick etc. Will water fast heal my face from those scar?

Thanks

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02 Aug 2012 15:02 #11614 by david
david replied the topic: Re: newbie to water fasting
Hello and a warm welcome to you Virelai.

I have few questions, i plan to count my fast effectively from D7, so i had only fasted for 7 days. I want to know the effect of me drinking honey on my fast. Does it affect my fasting and healing process? I drink about 300 calories worth of honey. Does this count as failure?


As you sound like you want some major life changes from fasting I would highly recommend you take about 20 minutes or so to read through the FAQ as some of them will answer a few of your questions. Secondly I would not attempt such a long fast without professional supervision. Another way round it is what we call Intermittent Fasting. Just as effective as a long fast but takes longer to achieve the same results but also with a greater chance of reaching your goals. As for the honey question this too is answered in the FAQ but as I am a honey addict I will be happy to answer it. Yes indeed it would affect your fasting as if you were to consume honey during a fast it would no longer qualify as a fast but as a diet. The reason being is that as soon as taste or any substance is ingested during a fast, it activates the digestive system gearing it up for digestion. During a true fast the body derives all it needs for its survival from body fat. Except water but apparently it can also get a percentage of water too from fats. SO unless you are underweight then there should be no reason to eat honey during a fast. The other point about honey is that from a little research I have done it is potentially very toxic. And even organic honey is questionable as you cannot dictate to bees where to get their pollen from. Colony Collapse Disorder is happening for a reason and that is because the bees are becoming so toxic from agro chemicals that they can no longer sustain their hives. There are other reasons too why I think honey is best avoided and there is an article or thread about it on the site. I am currently trying to Kick the honey eating habit.
As for the other questions the Doctor is best placed to answer them. Oh when you start a fast a true fast does not happen until 2-3 days into the fast and if you eat during the beginning phase of a fast all is not lost because the body keeps a memory of the previous fast and can slip back into fasting mode more easily providing the lapse of time between fasts does not exceed 7-9 days. :)

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03 Aug 2012 02:42 #11644 by virelai
virelai replied the topic: Re: newbie to water fasting
hi David,

thanks for answering my questions. i have read the faqs and they're pretty informative. i just need to wait for the fast doctor to address few of my questions.

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03 Aug 2012 03:46 #11646 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re: newbie to water fasting
Welcome indeed dear Virelai. Do heed David's wise words. Good advice thre.

Please don't decide beforehand how long your fast will be. Although we know 40 days is a magic number, deciding beforehand might override your biofeedback, which is the gold standard of control.

Bear in mind the smell of ketones comes from your lungs (these are volatile chemicals) so brushing your teeth does not remove the main smell of fasting. For us who understand it, it's a beautiful aroma but other people don't necessarily understand it.

Also remember that fasting only starts when you go ketotic.. This can take up to 24 hours from your previous meal.

Water does not interfere with the fasting process so as long as you take in no taste you are fasting.

Your diary indeed includes many days of fasting. But really, don't spend too much energy counting, and rather listen to your body.

Some of the conditions you mention you wish to cure are inborn, and if you revert to the same lifestyle that brought them on in the first place you must expect them to recur. That's why I opt for a lifestyle that includes regular fasting, rather than think along the lines of "a cure" once off.

Please make sure that you eliminate the toxins liberated by the fasting process...

André

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03 Aug 2012 04:31 #11649 by virelai
virelai replied the topic: Re: newbie to water fasting
Hi,

Thanks for answering my questions. I have decided not to count my days. However i want to know the effect of drinking honey while fasting. Does it hinder healing process and how long will it take for my body revert to fasting mode? Is it 24 hours since my last intake of honey?

And also about the hnp and glaucoma will it respond positively/healed by fasting? Im asking whether there's a case where people with my condition were able to cure their disease by fasting.


And if my mouth taste something while fasting how will it affect my fasting mode?


What are the ideal short fast you're talking about? I read about if but not sure which would grant me the most benefit.

Thanks

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03 Aug 2012 05:23 #11651 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re: newbie to water fasting
The crux of the matter, dear virelai, is the QUANTITY of whatever you take. Tase, of course, has quite an impact also.

There is a good chance, but no guarantee, that fasting will improve the glaucoma problem. It depends largely however, on whether this is narrow or wide angle glaucoma. Two different diseases actually.

Taste tells your hypothalamus that you eat. It recalls your taste buds from their holiday.

A fast starts about 24 hrs after the last meal if you fast regularly, and up to 3 days after such meal if you haven't fasted for a long time. The benefit of regular short fasts often includes the fact that toxins are eliminated soon after they entered, thus had not much time to do damage. If you wait months, years or, like some people, decades, before eliminating the toxins it could have done a lot of damage in this time!

André

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03 Aug 2012 06:50 #11652 by virelai
virelai replied the topic: Re: newbie to water fasting
Thank you for the answer. I will make a better preperation for my next fast. Mine is open angle glaucoma.

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