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06 Dec 2014 11:30 #24239 by FiMel
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Hello,

It's been a while since I visited but during my absence I have been keeping up fasting.

I had a question and need some guidance.

I have been struggling with systemic candida, now that I think about it, maybe about three years now (Just a note diabetes exists on both sides of my family). Over the past two years it seems to have worsened to the point where I have itchy eyes, itchy ears, itchy everywhere. I have done everything, reduced carbohydrates significantly, probotics, multivitamins, significantly increased my intake of vegetables and cut out most fruit but granny smith apples, did the candida diet for a month, drank apple cider vinegar (which if I take strong doses consistently helps) and even neem.

Two days ago, I did a dry fast and I got a vaginal yeast infection flare up. This is something I have noticed in my dry and water fasts over the past two years. Every time I fast I get a flare up of the worst proportions.

So my question is, why does this happen, because I'd like to think that if the candida isn't being fed it should die, no?

And can you give me a structured 'formula' in terms of fasting to follow that can help me get the candida growth in my body under control. Thank you

~ FiMel

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06 Dec 2014 16:08 - 06 Dec 2014 16:09 #24240 by TheFastDoctor
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Dear FiMel, first things first: Why do you believe Candida is responsible for your symptoms? This meek and mild fungus is a normal inhabitant of the human body and does not cause disease. It is wrongly accused of all and sundry while it is likely innocent. Only in severely immuno-compromised patients like AIDS sufferers and people on chemotherapy can it cause disease. If you don't have one of these then it is close to impossible for any of your complaints to be caused by Candida. That's why the treatment is not working. We have yet to identify the real cause..

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06 Dec 2014 17:53 - 06 Dec 2014 17:55 #24241 by FiMel
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Thank you for your response Doctor,

However, I had such confirmed by a naturopathic doctor. My immune system is not compromised in the way you suggest, however after two long and strong treatments with antibiotics in recent years, my good gut flora (which usually in a healthy body, is used to control the overgrowth of candida) is definitely adversely affected.
I am absolutely aware that Candida exists within every living human, but candida OVERGROWTH can cause all sorts of undue misery and serious health complications.

I am additionally aware, that candida is one of those crafty internal 'bugs' that have the capacity to protect itself through the creation of biofilm which can render treatments ineffective. Which is why treatment can be very difficult.

If in essence you're saying you're unable to provide guidance I would understand that, but your response doesn't even look at the possibility that what I'm saying might be true.

Thank you

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07 Dec 2014 00:14 #24243 by TheFastDoctor
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Can you enlighten me, dear FiMel, which "technique" did this "naturopathic doctor" use to make such "diagnosis"?

And no, Candida cannot over-grow in even remotely healthy people. Only those with AIDS or other immune compromises will be prone to such phenomena.

Long, long before this meek and mild little fungus can "overgrow" your system must be so weak that it would have been over-run by a host of much more virulent organisms. Clinging to this false belief about Candida will be a hindrance in finding real solutions to the real problems.

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07 Dec 2014 00:17 #24244 by FiMel
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Ok, You know what, I give up. As you're probably feeling as well, it's hard to have a conversation with someone who is otherwise convinced. I do though thank you for your time in responding to me.

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07 Dec 2014 00:32 #24245 by TheFastDoctor
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Please read

www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/candida-and-fake-illnesses/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candidiasis

where it clearly reminds us:

usually confined to severely immunocompromised persons, such as cancer, transplant, and AIDS patients,

and

www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/fad.html

The American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology regards the concept of candidiasis hypersensitivity as "speculative and unproven" and notes that everyone has some of its supposed symptoms from time to time.

It's these common symptoms that are exploited by the misled believers in candidiases to convince us not to look for the real cause(s)..

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07 Dec 2014 00:34 #24246 by FiMel
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Do Take care.

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07 Dec 2014 11:46 #24247 by david
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Dear FiMel, lovely to see you back on the site again. If everyone agreed with everyone else on matters of health there would be little advancement and this is the basis of what is called dialectic, debate, reasoning etc. And when two opposing views come together there is usually some kind of advancement for both parties, and sometimes not. The Doctor often has steadfast views on matters of health but they are based on many years of hands on experience and research. Lets not forget that he has fasted thousands of people and has his own well equipped lab where he carries out blood work etc. He also works as an A&E Doctor several times a year in Ireland and elsewhere. What I am trying to say is that he does not just pluck his beliefs out of the either, for the most part they are anchored in a blend of Natural Hygiene and 20c /21c western medical paradigm. And it is of my opinion that they are particularly well serving to those of us who are aligned with that paradigm. However there are other long standing health paradigms which appear to work for people who subscribe to them. These include Chinese Medicine, Ayurvedic Medicine, Herbal Medicine etc. What they all have in common including the Good Doctor's practices (but to a much lesser extent 21c medicine) are elements of Natural Hygiene (a branch of Nature Cure.) where the core tenet is that the body has all it needs to heal itself if given half a chance. The reason why you may feel that you are not getting the help you seek on this thread is imho one of incongruent paradigms. I encountered this the other day. My son had a swollen lip so I took him to my GP. He prescribed antibiotics and I said we try to avoid antibiotics how about high doses of Vitamin C. And he just waved it off as being a silly idea and genuinely believed that vitamin C would have no effect. As it stands my son did not want to take high doses of vitamin C and ended up taking the antibiotics which reduced the swelling and puss.

Now I don't want you to get the impression that no one is listening to you so here are a few links which might benefit you in your quest for a better understanding of Candida overgrowth. And I sincerely wish you success in cracking this one as it appears to be a very big issue for so many.

Small Intestinal Bacteria Overgrowth
drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Fermentation_in_the_gut_and_CFS

This thread
www.fastingconnection.com/forum/monthly-...-fast-2014?start=240

And please use the site search box using the term "small intestine bacteria overgrowth"

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07 Dec 2014 12:37 #24249 by TheFastDoctor
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Thanks David, very eloquently put. There's so much wisdom in your post, hard to improve on it... My main fear remains that we might blame one scapegoat and, having allocated such blame may cause us to close our minds from looking for other contributory factors... including the real cause(s) of our condition(s).

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07 Dec 2014 13:48 - 07 Dec 2014 15:09 #24251 by david
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TheFastDoctor wrote: My main fear remains that we might blame one scapegoat and, having allocated such blame may cause us to close our minds from looking for other contributory factors... including the real cause(s) of our condition(s).


Good point Doctor but what I hoped to convey is that imo "the real causes of our conditions" are interpreted differently depending on which medical lens one is looking through.

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07 Dec 2014 17:47 #24253 by danielle
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Could Fimel's problems be mere allergies? I get itchy throat and ears too, especially when I eat apples. I also get those symptoms when my body is RELEASING toxins, and when I am on the path to healing. Just a thought ...

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07 Dec 2014 19:20 #24257 by TheFastDoctor
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Indeed dear Danielle, I also developed an apple allergy or reaction... One of the ways to identify the culprit is to make a list of everything you ate in say the previous 2 meals whenever you have this reaction... then, once you have 3 or more lists, look for a common denominator.

I remain really scared that "identifying" a popular "culprit" may prevent us from looking beyond that.

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07 Dec 2014 21:08 #24259 by loquat1
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@ Doc - all excellent points, but isn't it the case, however, that an allergy is predominantly a physiological response, whereas an infection (whether viral, bacteriological, or even fungal) is a pathological/immunological response?

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08 Dec 2014 03:51 #24261 by TheFastDoctor
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Allergy, dear Loquat, is considered a patho-physiological response. And indeed it is immunological in nature. The main difference is that your response to a foreign organism or substance is considered physiological whereas an inappropriate immunological response (such as an allergy) is considered pathological.

Bit of word play I know. But any response that is either inappropriate or excessive could be labeled pathological.

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08 Dec 2014 20:30 #24267 by MarcM
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FiMel,

One thing to consider is the flare up, of whatever it is, could be due to your body actively addressing it during a fast. It may not have been a long enough fast to put it into remission.

I find that allot with my psoriasis. It often seems to get worse before it subsides. My biggest challenge is doing an extended fast long enough to really put it into remission.

just a thought - good luck on your journey.

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