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Does Fasting Help or Cure Cancer? Any Experience?

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24 Apr 2010 02:05 #4559 by Dedov
Dedov created the topic: Does Fasting Help or Cure Cancer? Any Experience?
Hello everybody! Cancer is the only disease, that is not discussed in this wonderful forum! Why? Lack of experience or lack of hope? I do not remember where I have read about it, but there was a table, showing statistic data of fasting treated diseases and how they responded to fasting. I was impressed to see 5 cases of cancer treated and five/all of them cured. And this was some statistic data of a clinic using fasting to treat diseases more than 50(or more) years ago. Unfortunately I do not remember any details about what clinic and where I have read about it.

I am opening this subject, because I have some symptoms, which I am a little concerned about! The symptoms of lymphoma - persistent pain in the neck, Under chin lymph nodes sensitive and swollen(not much), itching in the groin lymph, night sweats, lower back pain. Unfortunately, I do not have time to see the doctor and take any blood tests and other investigations, since in a week I am leaving for Bulgaria for three months! I cannot cancel the trip! All I can do is take some blood tests there and x-rays may be. Of course I know, that there are so many other health conditions, that can cause the same symptoms, but lymphoma is the one, that gets me scared! Anyway, I think I shall go for some fasting first - I hope it works! What do you think? I will be happy and grateful to have the opinion of The Fast Doctor ! Thank you guys and God Bless You All!

Dedov.

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26 Apr 2010 19:07 #4562 by TheFastDoctor
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Sorry for the late reply, Dedov! I was trapped by the dust cloud from Iceland that grounded all the flights in Europe..

Theoretically fasting prevents cancer and can also help cure it.. but bear in mind that there are many types of cancer and they are very different.

A normal, healthy body produced between 100 000 and a million cancerous cells per day. The immune system can kill about 10 million per day. Thus cancers grow when either you make more than 10 million per day (for example by smoking) or your immune system is less active than it needs to be. This can be aggravated by the fact that EVERYTHING you eat is TOXIC. No food can be safely injected into your blood stream.. not even pure distilled water. Between the gut and the blood, there's the mesenterial system of lymph glands that filters the basic absorbed substances from the digestive tract and make them safe for entering the blood. The liver also helps a lot with this.

When you eat, about one third of your immune system is busy "fighting food" and cannot be deployed against your cancer cells. Thus during fasting, you can "mop up" the bad cells.

I also believe that the modern, commercially driven habit of taking food "supplements" often helps keeping cancer cells alive. That's one reason why I don't use "vitamins and minerals" routinely.

Cancer in the beginning of the 21st century affects about 1 in 2.8 people.. likely due to pollution, bad food and environment but also "supplements" and simply over-feeding the body. Cells become better when they "suffer" a bit.. like muscle cells getting fit when you exercise them.

These are some of the reasons I NEVER eat more than 6 days in succession.. fast at least 30-60 hours once a week. If disease does occur, the fast is extended as an alternative/complementary to medicine.

BUT please don't discard orthodox medicine and in particular scientific investigations altogether.. if you are worried, get a knowledgeable doctor to examine you and do a few tests to find sings of cancer if they are there. If not, relax. If they are, treat it holistically.

André

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22 May 2010 17:39 #4588 by Dedov
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Thank you, Andre! I appreciate your professional opinion very much! You have always been very helpful! In brief: I took a 7 day fast and then started some medical examinations which are still going - so far - so good - nothing confirmed! An x-ray picture showed spurs in my neck, which quite well could be the reason for my neck pain. I took an iris diagnostics as well - I was really amazed, because it showed all the diseases I have had in my life. In three days I have an appointment with a hematologist to discuss the lymphoma symptoms I have. I'll keep in touch. God Bless You All!
Dedov.

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31 May 2010 01:31 #4598 by Meditating
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FAST DOCTOR:

I just read your post herein. I am responding to your comment regarding the immune system responding to the food we eat.

Numerous times I have read references to a study allegedly done many years ago that discovered what was labeled the "white tide," being the immune response to good eaten. While there was allegedly several studies done documenting this response to cooked food, one study was done comparing the response between raw and cooked foods. Allegedly there no white tide response when only raw foods were eaten.

I have never found this study or reference to who, where and when. Have you heard of this study?

Thanks,
Meditating

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31 May 2010 06:32 #4600 by TheFastDoctor
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No Meditating, I haven't heard nor read of this study and even Google seems not to find it.

The claim is however repeated on

superbeingsystem.blogspot.com/2006/04/sc...ves-cooked-food.html

Bear in mind that evolutionally we are adapted to the food in our environment. This would naturally be raw. If something has to be cooked to be edible, it was not part of our natural ancestral diet. But we do appear to do reasonably well on cooked stuff, even if it is just for the taste - variety - that it creates. The argument, for example from dr Weil, that cooking makes nutrients more absorbable, is for me not a reason to cook.. we get far too many nutrients in the modern world and would age slower if we got less..

www.welikeitraw.com/rawfood/2006/02/dr_weil_on_the_.html

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03 Jun 2010 00:39 #4601 by Meditating
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I have been exposed to those preaching these study results on numerous raw food sites over the years. As much as I believe in the benefits of eating raw food, I have found most raw food sites have little reliable information and significant amounts of unbelievable gibberish. Odd that I would gravitate to and believe in a theory in light of that. However, I put my faith more in the way food is naturally packaged.

I take issue with many things Weil claims and the comments at the end of the article you provided a link to explain some of the reasons why. I do like the information I read from Dr. Ben Kim but, truth is, I am skeptical of everything.

While I have never found the study, the only legitimate commentary I found is here: www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-1i.shtml .

I actually like this site and the approach they take on the topic. I would be interested in comparing it to something "from the other side" that had a similar approach. But if that exists I have not found it yet.

They bring up a good point as to why the study was never replicated in why it may not have been attempted. Of course there is the old standby too - no money to be made off the outcome.

I think it is interesting that the cooking temperatures alleged to avoid white tide are significantly less than those to which raw foodies adhere. This means that if there is a trigger for white tide it is not denatured enzymes, since that usually doesn't happen until around 113 degrees Fahrenheit.

For those who are interested, the site also has a table on which nutrients are believed to be more available after cooking.

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03 Jun 2010 03:13 #4602 by Meditating
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The above link isn't complete and it appears you can't edit your posts anymore so here is the link and I hope it works this time:

www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-...i.shtml#leukocytosis

If you go to the table of contents at this site, you will discover an amazing amount of information on dietary topics.

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29 Jan 2013 12:00 - 29 Jan 2013 12:01 #15087 by Shant
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I've recently come across this documentary (Cancer is curable now) related to this topic. The whole movie is almost 2 hours long.

I've only watched 2/3 of it so far. It's that What-we-are-now-is-how-we-have-lived kind of a movie saying that cancer is a reflection of our lifestyle. It also emphasises the importance of a complex change (mental, spiritual and body.. none of each is less important than the other), supportive environment, and taking actions NOW - something that is the most difficult/uncomfortable to do - to make a permanent change and thus from being victims become victors.

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29 Jan 2013 15:21 #15088 by TheFastDoctor
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Indeed Prof Longo in Calofornia also published a bit about how fasting helps in the treatment of cancer. It is rather logical that if it can help in the treatment it should help in the prevention. When you fast, your body seeks out redundant cells to cannibalize in order to survive. Cancer cells are the most useless cells so they will be targeted first.

Too much food - any food - will help keep cancer cells alive. Also, regular eating or eating too often will do the same.

André

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29 Jan 2013 18:37 #15090 by david
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And what about too much sugar and refined starches which seems to be most people's staple today?

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29 Jan 2013 20:55 #15091 by Shant
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Re. Sugar and starches: In the movie they dont even recommend consuming fruit (excl berries that are low in fructose) as sugar feeds cancer cells. i watched it till the end. Its a brilliant movie. Specially the 2nd half.

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30 Jan 2013 04:18 #15100 by TheFastDoctor
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"Sugar" also feeds every single cell in your body, including the heart and the brain. There are several sugars, the most important being glucose (Dextrose). But if you wish to starve the cancer cells, you will first starve your heart and your brain, your kidneys, muscles and just about everything else.

Fasting helps the essential organs switch to ketones to at least some extent, whereafter your blood sugar can safely drop a bit. But not a lot. Blood sugar needs to remain between about 3 and 7 mmol/l all the time, and outside of these ranges people tend to be rather unwell.

Just like blood sugar has sensitive ranges, we need to be careful of generalizations.

André

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30 Jan 2013 09:55 #15103 by david
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That makes sense thank you Doctor. Can one define fat derived sugars as less of a stimulus to cancer cells than lets say white refined sugar? Or is it simply the fact that blood sugar drops very slightly that make the difference. So quantitative rather than qualitative difference? And also is there any truth in cancer's not being able to survive in a body that has got the correct alkaline/acid balance? Presumably over acid environment which is so much referred to in alternative health articles is when the interstitial fluids are swamped creating an 'unclean' environment for cells to live in?

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30 Jan 2013 11:19 #15106 by TheFastDoctor
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I believe so David.. fat derived sugars are produced more in line with the body's immediate needs whereas eating sugars, starches or other sources of blood sugar (protein included!) can cause "spikes" which might stimulate cancer cells.

The whole issue of alkaline/acid balance is rather controversial. If you bear in mind we can typically only survive as long as the (arterial) blood pH is between 7.35 and 7.45 then we do appreciate it does not fluctuate enough to have a meaningful effect on what the cells experience.

An "unclean" environment between the cells may actually damage cancer cells more than it does healthy cells.. some studies have pointed out that cancer sufferers on "junk food" often survive much better than those on"health foods"! Bear in mind healthy cells are much more resilient than cancer cells.. which is why they survive better on a fast.

But fat per se (in the diet) has been shown to promote cancer, as does obesity. Thus cancer cells apparently likes fat.. but that may be why they succumb when we burn fat (during a fast).

All rather complicated and not yet well understood. At this time we need to look at each individual... individually!

André

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30 Jan 2013 12:25 #15107 by Shant
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Thank you, Doctor. I thought it was quite the opposite re. dietary habits and survival of cancer. How can the poor patient heal from inside out if their pool of nutrients is depleted thanks to previously bad diet lacking good quality nutrients? Just imagine you needed strength to survive, not the opposite. Sometimes people need hope and belief than to just fast and feel incredibly weakened and sick (because that's what happens if the body is sick, no?). Even if that would mean that in the latter stages they'd recover. How would they know they'd recover anyway?

I highly respect your opinion and experience. Please, have a look at alternative mandatory treatments mentioned in the movie (I copied/pasted it from another website as I couldn't remember them all):

Exercise, Oxygen, Sunshine/Vitamin D3, Cancer diet, Alkaline, Detox diet, Gerson therapy, Detoxification, Supplements, Vitamin C, Enzymes, Immune boosting

and medical treatments such as:

Whole body hyperthermia, Local hyperthermia, Prostate treatment, Ozone treatment, Dental cavitation, Root canal fillings, Antineoplastions, Hormone harmonizers, Nature has no side effects, Low dose insulin potentiation, Metronomic low dose

and not less important: motivation, support, mental detox, hope and belief, passion.. etc.

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30 Jan 2013 15:56 #15115 by TheFastDoctor
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Do understand, dear Shant, that people on junk food and with bad nutrition do develop more cancers. It's just once the cancer is there, healthy food promotes its growth.

I do appreciate the information and do understand that it forms part of an incredibly complex whole. Also that people are not the same. Unfortunately we often have to rely on statistics..

Thank you so much for the links!

André

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30 Jan 2013 19:51 - 30 Jan 2013 19:52 #15127 by Shant
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I just can't get my head over the fact why would be those cancer patients living on unnourishing meals be better off than those eating "healthy". A 'bad diet' in my dictionary refers to any diet rich in man made sugars and gluten (etc..) that just any already diseased cell seems to like. I'll have to process that kind of an information first. Yet again, you made me stop and think. I hope I won't get my sleep tonight :). But thank you.

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30 Jan 2013 22:34 #15132 by david
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A reference to that research would be handy. I would like to find out who sponsored it.

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31 Jan 2013 06:40 #15136 by TheFastDoctor
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Quite right Shant. I guess there's a lot of variation in what people call good or bad diet. I note many vegetarians eating mainly junk..

Anyway, on

www.medscape.com/viewarticle/777516

Nutritional Antioxidants Could Be Harmful

One far-reaching implication of this theory is that antioxidants as nutritional supplements, including beta-carotene, vitamins A, C, and E, and selenium, could be harmful in cancer.

For years, such supplements have been widely hyped for cancer prevention and/or treatment, as has encouragement to eat colorful fruit and berries, which contain antioxidants.

However, Dr. Watson warns that recent data strongly hint that much of the untreatability of late-stage cancer might be the result of "its possession of too many antioxidants, [so] the time has come to seriously ask whether antioxidant use more likely causes than prevents cancer."

Many nutritional intervention trials have shown no obvious effectiveness in preventing gastrointestinal cancer or in lengthening mortality, he writes. "In fact, they seem to slightly shorten the lives of those who take them."

Hence, he concludes, "blueberries best be eaten because they taste good, not because their consumption will lead to less cancer."


"Bad" nutrition may mimick fasting by under-supplying nutrients. Cancer cells are more susceptible to famine than normal cells.

But dear David, I thought I saved the link to the specific scientific article which found the statistical link.. but apparently did not. Apologies, I will keep looking.

André

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31 Jan 2013 08:40 #15137 by Shant
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Thank you. I think I can see the logic there since body cells replace themselves and by "starving" the turnover would not be supported by any other "nourishing" substances allowed to enter the body. On the other hand, since each of us already has cancer cells in the body, what makes a difference between a healthy person and a sick person when it comes to a diet? Good lifestyle habits to prevent cancer vs. bad dietary habits to survive cancer..?

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