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Do not fast to clean liver or improve brain fog according to Dr Wilson

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25 Nov 2012 15:52 - 25 Nov 2012 15:54 #13852 by david
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While searching the term brain fog today I chanced across another of Dr Wilson's articles as it was on top of the search results on the topic. I find much of what he has to say original and thought provoking however he makes sweeping statements without any footnotes or scientific references to back them up such as his statement about Reverse Osmosis water where he claims that the membrane through which the water is squeezed is irreversibly damaged and that it creates water which does not hydrate. He lists a number of things which can cause brain fog such as copper imbalance, vegetarianism, bowel toxicity, dehydration etc and then goes on to list things to avoid such as fasting.

Here are his reasons:

Do not fast to clean out your liver. Be wary of cleansing programs such as fasts to correct liver and kidney toxicity. These may give some temporary relief, but usually do not address basic causes such as food allergies, toxic chemicals in the diet or environment, and many nutrient deficiencies. I used to supervise fasting for several years, and believed it was helpful. However, today people are so toxic that fasting can easily cause one to become even more nutrient deficient, making things worse in the long run.
The answer for bowel toxicity is a slow regeneration of the intestinal tract, which may easily take several years. It begins with cleaning up the diet, eliminating the chemicals and junk foods. Excellent eating habits and lots of rest are important as well. Everyone also needs a digestive enzyme supplement today, in my view. I believe that animal-based enzymes such as ox bile and pancreatin work far better than the vegetable enzymes that are quite popular.

www.drlwilson.com/articles/brain_fog.htm

Again I do not agree with all that he says but I do tend to go along with the fact that we suffer form a much higher degree of toxic overload today than for example 80 years ago. And fasting does mobilise these toxins and unless they have a suitable exit point they may well contribute to brain fog, mood swings, and many other unpleasant symptoms. It is also questionable how effective fasting is to eliminate heavy metals from the body.

I would be curious to have the Doctor's and other board member's opinions on this topic.

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25 Nov 2012 18:16 #13853 by TheFastDoctor
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Thanks for the link. There are many good bits of advice and I do like his fresh look at things.

But.. many of the sweeping statements on that web page are just plain bizarre. I wonder what the good doctor's qualifications are.. and as you point out David, one should give scientific references t back up your opinion, or at least describe the mechanisms behind these reactions.

Once again the point is kind of made: Detox consists of mobilization AND elimination, not the former without the latter. That changes a lot of his objections to fasting.

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25 Nov 2012 18:26 #13855 by david
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Thank you Doctor I like the way you have succeeded in just one sentence to put all wrongs to right :)
He has a medical degree and here is the link to his qualifications:
www.drlwilson.com/Dr.%20Wilson.htm

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25 Nov 2012 22:29 #13857 by Breadandwine
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Brain fog?!?!? :ohmy:

My brain fogs over when I read a phrase such as that!! :laugh:

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26 Nov 2012 02:02 #13860 by 10syogactress
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I often take an enzyme to help digest cooked food. My question is: what happens if we were to run out of enzymes? And truly, do we honestly know what goes into vitamins we purchase?Honestly.

At least with fasting, we know what is, or rather what is not feeding our bodies. We have so many chemicals and toxins inside us, I think it is healthy to have none at all enter us by omitting food and drink.

I appreciate his input, however. No one will ever have the same opinion about anything. All of us have different opinions, different reasons, and that is okay-it makes us beautiful individuals.

Thank you for sharing this, David!

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26 Nov 2012 08:24 #13864 by david
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I think we run low on enzymes with age. A case in point is the enzyme which manages waste from cells which make up the hair follicle. When this gets depleted it causes the greying of hair as the acid waste produced by the cell attacks the pigment producing cells. I am curious to find out if fasting can replenish enzymes even when they are nearly depleted. If not then there would be a case for supplements. Thanks for your positive input 10syogaactress.

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26 Nov 2012 09:17 #13866 by TheFastDoctor
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Dear 10syogactress, I am on record as explaining many times why "Vitamins" and other "supplements" are no good. I won't take them, and only use them, like any other medicine, to treat disease.. as short as possible at the lowest effective dosage. From a nature cure point of view "vitamins", "supplements" and "antibiotics" are about exactly in the same category.

We need to get OUT of us what makes us unwell, not put more things INTO us!

Enzymes are produced by the glands in the digestive system. If we start running low, like David points out, we should make sure that we don't dilute what we have.. which is why I advise never to take liquids in a mealtime: From 30 minutes before you eat until 2 hours after.

During fasting enzyme producing cells rest and can do some "maintenance".. so yes David, likely our enzymes will last a lot longer..

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27 Nov 2012 11:09 #13892 by david
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Thank you Doctor so it begs the question do enzyme producing cells have a finite life span? Can those which have ceased to function be revived with fasting? And if so is it impairment through a toxic environment which is the cause or a genetic predisposition to switch off at a certain age?

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28 Nov 2012 01:29 #13913 by TheFastDoctor
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Well dear David ALL cells (and the human body as a whole) has a finite life span. But cells can usually replace themselves, as long as the telomeres exist on the chromosomes. The "switch off" comes from these telomeres, pieces of "junk DNA" that shortens with every division of the cell... until, when it's gone, the cell can divide no more and we die.

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28 Nov 2012 09:18 #13922 by david
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Thank you Doctor so it boils down to how effective fasting is to maintain this bond between telomere and chromosome. Do you know of any serious studies carried out?

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28 Nov 2012 09:43 #13924 by TheFastDoctor
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If you search for the studies on longevity in rats, there are several of those. The same with fruit flies. People are more complex and it is not ethical to do these experiments on people. Besides, it would take a few hundred years to get proper statistics. But by chance some Kazakhstani people have been shown to live to a healthy 100plus on their frugal diet that contains much less nutrients than the Western recommendations.

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30 Nov 2012 05:10 #13963 by Ubercute
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I'm dutch and if you search in dutch anything about fasting they are trying to scare you. Thats it's unhealthy and you will get fatter afterwards. And your cholesterol gets higher. For me it has no use to talk about fasting because people look up information on the net, in dutch ofcourse, and tell me it's really bad for you.

I called my GP yesterday and told her that i'm going to fast during the christmas holiday and she did not tell me that it is bad for me. She said to try and see if it helps me. :-) Can't wait to get started. jeej

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30 Nov 2012 08:38 #13965 by david
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Ubercute you can put on weight after a fast and this is an issue. The reasons for this can be psychological. The way the fast is broken is important in order to avoid this and also change of lifestyle by incorporating regular fasting practice otherwise known as intermittent fasting. This is the type of fasting we endeavour to promote on Fasting Connection. There are a few of us experimenting with it on the blog page. www.fastingconnection.com/intermittent-fasting-blogs

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30 Nov 2012 12:51 #13966 by Ubercute
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Dear David, my 'normal' way of eating exists of a fast day and eating from 18u until 22u. It gets me in ketosis. But i shall take a look how they are eating. But I think that everybody has it's own definition of IF. Thanks for the link.

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30 Nov 2012 14:53 #13968 by Breadandwine
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There are a few of us experimenting with it on the blog page.


David, this isn't a criticism since I know how much work you put into this forum (or maybe I don't? Maybe all I see is the tip of the iceberg!)

However, blogs, IMO, move very slowly indeed - the last post on that blog was made a month ago. These forums move much quicker and are much more relevant; again, IMO!

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01 Dec 2012 12:26 #13990 by david
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Dear David, my 'normal' way of eating exists of a fast day and eating from 18u until 22u. It gets me in ketosis. But i shall take a look how they are eating. But I think that everybody has it's own definition of IF. Thanks for the link.


I am in no way suggesting that you adopt the intermittent fast style eat every other day. I was simply saying that there may be validity in what people are saying in Holland about rapid weight gain after a water fast and that adopting an intermittent fast lifestyle is one way to combat this issue. If you are already fasting daily from 23h-18h the following day then you should not have any concerns. :)

David, this isn't a criticism since I know how much work you put into this forum (or maybe I don't? Maybe all I see is the tip of the iceberg!)

However, blogs, IMO, move very slowly indeed - the last post on that blog was made a month ago. These forums move much quicker and are much more relevant; again, IMO!


Breadandwine thank you for your comments. I don't fully understand your post though as we are quite active on the blog page and there is usually a new blog each day and plenty of blog comments. I guess you could call it a niche within a niche :)

This is another link an intro the to the 010 experiment at the top of the blog page: www.fastingconnection.com/intermittent-f.../010-note-to-members

Oh I see what happened you noted the date on the featured blog at the top of the blog page which was posted in September. Below that are all the active blogs. Thanks for pointing this out. :)

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01 Dec 2012 17:55 - 01 Dec 2012 17:57 #14013 by LadyEm
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It's a fairly active blog, last post today! :)

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01 Dec 2012 18:16 #14015 by david
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hehe thanks for the backup

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02 Dec 2012 00:41 #14019 by Breadandwine
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Breadandwine thank you for your comments. I don't fully understand your post though as we are quite active on the blog page and there is usually a new blog each day and plenty of blog comments. I guess you could call it a niche within a niche

This is another link an intro the to the 010 experiment at the top of the blog page: www.fastingconnection.com/intermittent-f.../010-note-to-members

Oh I see what happened you noted the date on the featured blog at the top of the blog page which was posted in September. Below that are all the active blogs. Thanks for pointing this out.

Hi David, thanks for your attention.

However, the blog I was thinking about was the very blog you directed me to - the last post on that blog:

www.fastingconnection.com/intermittent-f.../010-note-to-members

was a question by Thomia on the 30th of October. (I must admit I haven't looked at the other blogs.) S/he hasn't been back since 11/11/12.

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02 Dec 2012 10:11 #14024 by david
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Hi Breadandwine now I understand why you got confused. That was not a blog my Thomia but a comment to my blog which is a blog explaining all about 010 alternate day fasting. My blog "010 note to to members" was featured in order to keep it on top of the list. All the blogs below it are recent ones. And then anyone can comment on the blogs so there are usually a number of comments below each blog. Sorry for the confusion perhaps I will remove the featured blog.

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