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25 Jan 2013 16:56 #15028 by paullikethesaint
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So I bashed up my hand while working on my bicycle. I both smashed and cut it and after a bit it was clear to me I either broke a bone or it was infected. Saw my doctor, took some x-rays and the doc determined it was a Cellulitis infection. So he prescribed antibiotics with a light warning about how it kills ALL bacteria both good and bad and that I should eat yogurt or take a probiotic to counter the effect. Well I'm now 4 days into it and my GI tract is all messed up (but my hand is getting better, I can type now). I'm basically at the point where I can't eat anything without getting some extreme pains on my right side and back (feels like under the rib cage). So I assume this is due to the lack of bacteria in my intestines. Could you please suggest a fasting routine or any other alternatives to simply eating yogurt that will get my system back in balance. I'm supposed to take these antibiotics for ten days but at this point I'm really questioning if I should could continue. However if I die from a Staph infection my wife would be pretty upset with me! What do you suggest? Should I fast while taking the ABs or should I stop taking the ABs or is there a probiotic supplement you can suggest? I feel like I'm another victim of western "kill it now and ask questions later" medical thinking.

Any insight is appreciated. Thanks.
Paul

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26 Jan 2013 06:01 #15037 by paullikethesaint
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After observing all day I'm pretty sure it's something with my kidneys. The pain is primarily concentrated in my side/lower back, same area I've had pains when detoxing during various fasts in the past. Sounds like a cleanse is in order.

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26 Jan 2013 13:13 - 26 Jan 2013 13:26 #15042 by david
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Posted by David on behalf of the Fast Doctor:

There are instances of course dear Paul, where orthodox medicines save lives or limbs.

Unfortunately potent medicines have potent side effects and what your doctor said is quite correct. Do bear in mind that the gut contains more than a thousand different species of bacteria and a probiotic delivers typically one to five species. It is a "bridging" intervention. The large variety you need will come in time, inter alia on raw food. A raw diet is by far the most superior source of probiotics available.


The right side under the rib cage is where the liver lies, and a bit closer to the spine lies the right kidney. You should have at least a urine dipstick done to exclude any involvement there.

I suggest you do take the full 10 day course, as there's a possibility bone may be involved. Once infection is in bone (osteo myelitis) you are in deep trouble.

If the antibiotics are of the tetracycline group you can often fast while taking them but the "pennysillin" (had to spell this way or the forum regards it as a forbidden word this was causing the glitch) group after more than about 5 days tend to irritate an empty stomach. There are many other groups of antibiotics also. Thus there's no single answer to how safe it is to fast during antibiotics. One day at a time, however, seldom causes problems.

For now all I can ethically suggest is that you follow the advice of the prescribing doctor. For now all I can ethically suggest is that you follow the advice of the prescribing doctor.

Andre

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26 Jan 2013 15:40 #15043 by TheFastDoctor
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Thanks for posting on my behalf David and for sorting out the filter glitch. Perhaps I should try calling the medicing Pen a Cillin.

André

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26 Jan 2013 19:35 #15045 by paullikethesaint
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The AB is amoxicillin and clavulanic acid. At this point I'm going back in to see the doc and find out what he thinks. I am going to keep my diet raw though considering what you said about building back up the good bacteria. Ill let you know how it goes. Thanks for the insight, I do very much appreciate it.

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27 Jan 2013 06:10 #15047 by TheFastDoctor
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Amoxicillin is a slightly modified form of the base drug that may not me mentioned here, (the Pen one) and clavulanic acid blocks an enzyme that bacteria makes that can break down this antibiotic, thus increasing its spectrum of activity. We call this combination Co-Amoxiclav. Unfortunately these can irritate a stomach if taken during a fast but quite often 2-3 days are still "safe".

Wishing you a quick return of good health.

André

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28 Jan 2013 06:40 #15057 by LadyEm
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Hi Paul,

I'm actually quite interested in this topic as well as I have been put on antibiotics for my ear and sinus infections. Mind you I fought tooth and nail against going to the doctor because I didn't want any drugs for it, but it was getting to a point where I could barely make it through the day, let alone take care of the babes or be at all productive! I haven't been on them for almost 10 years and am actually quite scared of what my body will be like at the end of 10 days. I'm taking probiotics, eating kefir yogurt, live green juices, fermented sauerkraut, pickles and kimchi. I plan on fasting tomorrow and we'll see how that goes. Please keep us up to date on this! I'd love to know what your plan is for after the cycle is over.

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28 Jan 2013 15:01 #15068 by paullikethesaint
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Here is the latest update. Shortly after my previous post I went back into the doc to have them investigate why my kidneys were screaming at me. I had a urine test done as well and they did draw blood (though no test results on the weekend for blood work so waiting until tomorrow to get those looked at). The urine test didn't show anything of concern. The doc determined there was likely not an infection in the kidney and that it was NOT my liver. So her best assessment was kidney stones which I found a little coincidental and crazy considering my diet and lifestyle doesn't lend itself to getting stones. BUT, I went with it and have stayed on the AB which I will until the ten days is up (three days from now). The good news is the same night I went to the doc I slept for over 12 hours; a good solid sleep. When I woke the next afternoon the pain in my kidney was basically non-existent and my hand felt much much better (probably 90% usable again). SO as of today (one week into taking the AB), I'm feeling MUCH better. My plan is to stay on the AB for the next three days to allow it to run it's course. Then I will do my normal weekly 36 hour dry fast (that I'd normally be doing today). Beyond that I'm going to see how my body feels and if I get an urge to fast more, I certainly will. I've increased the amount of raw food and will likely continue to eat this way until I feel like my digestive system is back in balance. Pretty much just going to listen to my body in regards to fasting and finding my way back into homeostasis after being on the meds for 10 days. The meds seem to have done it's job so I'm thankful that the staph infection didn't get any worse and also thankful I'm taking them for a such a short time.

LadyEm- please let us know how it goes. You seem to have a pretty good diet routine so I'm wondering if you'll have any adverse effects at all in regards to your digestive system. I have noticed that I have to eat in a lot smaller quantities otherwise I do get bloated. The probiotic (bifidobacterium Infantis 35624) I started taking (three days into the treatment) does seem to have made a difference. Though I can still tell my digestion isn't in balance but it's better than the first few days of when I was on the meds.

Thanks
Paul

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04 Feb 2013 19:19 #15220 by LadyEm
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Hi Paul, how's it going post-drugs?? I did notice some discomfort on the antibiotics such as bloating etc. and now that I am done them I've upped my intake of live green juices and fermented foods and found kefir grains from a neighbour so I have added that drink as well. Hopefully in the next several weeks or maybe even months as I have read, my gut with get back to a healthy state. Are you doing any short fasts right now? I'm trying to decide if eating the right foods will be better with intermittent fasting 010 style, 24 hour fasts or short 3-5 day fasts? Maybe the Good Doctor could help answer this :)

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05 Feb 2013 05:04 #15224 by TheFastDoctor
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The gut, dear LadyEm, can re-instate its natural ecology within hours to days. If it takes longer than that something is wrong.. bear in mind that the entire lining of the gut can be replaced in as little as 3 days! It does however go into rest mode when you fast so regular short fasts often serve to consolidate the replenishing of the natural bacteria.

All you need to do is offer it a variety of natural bacteria such as is on raw food or in your appendix. If the bacteria is happy in your gut they will multiply very rapidly indeed. Exponentially so: 1-2-4-8-16-32-64-...

André

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07 Feb 2013 18:01 #15278 by LadyEm
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