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11 Aug 2013 20:32 #17951 by danielle
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Hello! I wanted to start a post about food addiction and how to overcome this through fasting. I have battled various food disorders my whole life. I was able to fast for five days, and it was the most amazing experience ever. Unfortunately, I have not been able to get out of my own way. I set an intention to fast, and then I sabotage and break it. I give way too much power to food and to "false wants/needs".

If anyone deals with this, and has advice on how to overcome it, I would love to hear about it. Sometimes, someone just puts something into perspective. I know, deep down, the only way out is through. Food isn't the end all/be all. In fact, when I was fasting, I found food to be icky. I just want to find the courage and strength to push past this.

Thank you so much!
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12 Aug 2013 02:08 #17955 by Stu L
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Yes I agree after fasting, perceptions about food change.
I am on a fast, and yesterday was a very bad day, I felt well but continuously hungry, my wife (filipino) suggested I put a pinch of salt on my tongue and let it dissolve, I did, and it worked for a couple of hours.
probably all in my mind, but what the hell if it works, who cares why.

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12 Aug 2013 05:23 #17959 by TheFastDoctor
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Practice makes perfect, dear Danielle.. Try each time you fast, to break the fast with ONE, NATURAL, unprocessed food.. for example one (kind of) fruit. This gives your body the opportunity to analyze the nutrients in that food.. in time it builds up a database of where to find which nutrient, thus improving the quality of the biofeedback.

Food addiction often comes from food not delivering what you think it does. Thus your body asks for the same thing again. Colourants, flavourants and other chemicals in processed food are often responsible for this confusion.

And dear Stu, when you feel hungry, do an elimination cycle. It helps mobilize nutrients from your stores instead of from the outside world..

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15 Aug 2013 15:50 #17988 by acmaragh506
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Hi all,

Danielle, believe when I tell you I am going through the EXACT same process. A recent article I read about a book entitled Brain over Binge left me with a new take on this addiction that perhaps may help you.

The biggest issue with food addiction is resisting urges, or cravings. Most conventional wisdom suggests that these urges represent a deeper underlying issue, such as an emotional need you are attempting to meet with food. This author suggests that instead, she found success in rejecting that notion, and instead viewing her urges as "neurological junk". In other words, something that did NOT represent a deep need, and could easily be ignored accordingly.

I am trying this new view, and will be blogging here in my own journal, which I began yesterday (on fast day 2). Good luck to us both, and please keep in touch on your journey.

~Life is a song. Find your melody.~

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15 Aug 2013 16:09 #17990 by TheFastDoctor
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Excellent reference dear Achmaragh.. just bear in mind on the odd occasion a craving might represent a real need in the body so if it is really persistent, you should make an appointment for a test meal: Decide on a day that you are going to have that food, preferably the last day of the eat cycle (just before the fast) and see if it really satisfy the craving... such satisfaction should last several days as we don't need all that much volume of any specific nutrient anyway.

And always consider that you may be allergic to what you crave...

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15 Aug 2013 17:50 #17991 by margoS
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The Fast Doctor wrote: Excellent reference dear Achmaragh.. just bear in mind on the odd occasion a craving might represent a real need in the body so if it is really persistent, you should make an appointment for a test meal: Decide on a day that you are going to have that food, preferably the last day of the eat cycle (just before the fast) and see if it really satisfy the craving... such satisfaction should last several days as we don't need all that much volume of any specific nutrient anyway.

And always consider that you may be allergic to what you crave...

André


And always consider that you may be allergic to what you crave

Doc this statement is very interesting could you please point to some material that I can read on
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15 Aug 2013 17:51 - 16 Aug 2013 13:40 #17992 by Ockeghem
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Hello. If you have a moment, please take a peek at this link. It's a link for a thread on another Board on which I post, and although most people are supportive of fasting, some are fearful of the practice. Please see in particular posts #38, #40, #44, and #50 (the link ought to take you right to it). And please consider responding if you wish. I don't have the medical background to do so intelligently. :)

www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/315127-fa.../page-2#entry3989340

Edit: André, please help me out when you get a chance. I'm getting criticized left and right over in the thread (the link I provided). And I know that you can provide a logical (and convincing) refutation.

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Here is one post for which I wish I had some data to provide (from post #50):

"I see no legitimate links from reputable sources on the subject so lets see what you've got.

Let's put it this way, if what you are saying is correct the medical community should have tons of interest in it and the DOD would be beating down doors to embrace it.

Like I said, I don't doubt you've got a ton of links you can point me to, what I doubt is that there are serious long term studies of both the positive and potentially detrimental effects of long term fasting.

And there's an awful lot of hucksters instead.

In a 15 second google search I came up with the American Cancer Society, NIH and Mayo Clinic all listing the very serious side effects of so called detoxification and not a single rah rah from anyone that wasn't a rogue element. If you can bring such documentation it would be very eye opening."

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15 Aug 2013 20:30 #17993 by danielle
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Thank you so much for the response and info. I am fully aware that my cravings are deeper than just wanting the food. I have a lot of down time and I'm alone a lot. I enjoy this phase of life and am trying to get comfortable with simplicity. I think my addictions lie in thinking and trying to control my brain or things I do (run here and there, exercise...things I'm familiar with). Fasting is totally entering the unknown. Somedays I'd rather suffer and do what is familiar than rest and take better care.

Being aware of this is solid! Doing something to change my habits is stellar! I'm trying, each day.

So glad you are out there. Keep me posted, and I'll do the same :)
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16 Aug 2013 07:37 #17997 by TheFastDoctor
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Apologies for some delay in asnwering... I am ugently on my way for a few days, hope to attend upon my return.

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16 Aug 2013 17:26 - 16 Aug 2013 17:31 #18001 by Ockeghem
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André,

Okay, no need to defend me after all. Others have stepped in, and beyond this, I have been doing some extensive fasting research this morning and I have come up with several articles (mostly having to do with the positive effects of long-term fasting on the aging process in humans, cancer cells, and other medical-related topics). I am not going to post all of those here, but I can provide a link to the medical database (PubMed) from which I retrieved these articles so that others on this Board can do their own research if they so choose. :)

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?otool=mifsulib

Here are a couple that I found interesting:

Lee, C., Raffaghello, L., and Longo, VD. "Starvation, detoxification, and multidrug resistance in cancer therapy."

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Andrus Gerontology Center, Dept of Biological Sciences and Norris Cancer Center, University of Southern California, 3715 McClintock Avenue, Los Angeles, CA 90089-0191, United States.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22391012

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Anton, S. and Leeuwenburgh, C. "Fasting or caloric restriction for Healthy Aging."

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Exp Gerontol. 2013 Apr 29. pii: S0531-5565(13)00118-6. doi: 10.1016/j.exger.2013.04.011. [Epub ahead of print]

University of Florida, Department of Aging and Geriatric Research, Institute on Aging, Gainesville, FL, United States. Electronic address: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it..

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23639403

I am very gratified to see that intermittent fasting is becoming more visible in various branches of medicine.

From the abstract (the underlining is mine):

Aging is associated with a host of biological changes that contribute to a progressive decline in cognitive and physical function, ultimately leading to a loss of independence, and increased risk of mortality. To date, prolonged caloric restriction (i.e., a reduction in caloric intake without malnutrition) is the only non-genetic intervention that has consistently been found to extend both mean and maximal life span across a variety of species. Most individuals have difficulty sustaining prolonged caloric restriction, which has led to a search for alternative approaches that can produce similar to benefits as caloric restriction. A growing body of evidence indicates that fasting periods and intermittent fasting regimens in particular can trigger similar biological pathways as caloric restriction. For this reason, there is increasing scientific interest in further exploring the biological and metabolic effects of intermittent fasting periods, as well as whether long-term compliance may be improved by this type of dietary approach. This special will highlight the latest scientific findings related to the effects of both caloric restriction and intermittent fasting across various species including yeast, fruit flies, worms, rodents, primates, and humans. A specific emphasis is placed on translational research with findings from basic bench to bedside reviewed and practical clinical implications discussed.

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18 Aug 2013 17:16 - 18 Aug 2013 17:18 #18013 by TheFastDoctor
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Dear MargoS, do Google "Allergy-Addiction Cycle" and you'll come across many references such as
voices.yahoo.com/food-addiction-food-all...ht-gain-5256845.html
and
www.uptownnaturalmedicinegigharbor.com/a...lergy-and-addiction/
or
www.springboard4health.com/notebook/health_food_addiction.html

And oh yes Google, on the very first page, also has the following connection:

www.fastingconnection.com/faq-about-fast...ergy-addiction-cycle

The mechanism is simple: You have an allergic reaction. Your body mobilize a counter-offensive. The allergen is eliminated from your body. The counter-offensive is now out of balance, thus you crave the food in order to neutralize the last remnants of your own counter-offensive... but that triggers it again!

And dear Ockeghem, please refer my learned but myopic colleagues to our Russian compatriots such as Professor Lapteva in St Petersburg.. But than you for stirring the hornet's nest. The pharmaceutical industry might not like it and they are the biggest source of finance for the medical profession, but I do believe there are still many colleagues whose vocation is a calling rather than just a vocation...

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