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03 May 2011 20:18 #6719 by Yuliya
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Hello everyone,

I am a raw vegan since June 2002.
At this time I am eating mostly low fat raw fruits and occasional vegetables.

Years ago I had a problem with one of my molars and within one month a half of the tooth fell out. The root was exposed and I was in pain.
I fasted on and off but my longest fast was 3 days. I would fast, eat smth, and fast again. Within about 2-3 months the pain subsided and then went away completely. I was able to eat normally for another 4+ years.

Last year I got a gum infection located right on the side of that same tooth. It is getting better and worse, and better and worse. Sometimes it seems to dissappear and then it comes back again.
I am quite sure that the reason is the dead(?) or half-dead tooth.
I tried short term water fasting (up to 3 days) and it helps to get the swelling go down, but as soon as I start eating, it comes back.

At this time I eat mostly one time a day and try to go through very long periods of time without eating.

I am now convinced that I need to go on a long term water fast.
I live in New York City.
I am not sure if I should do it on my own of find a fasting center.
Any advice and insight will be highly appreciated.

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04 May 2011 00:59 #6722 by david
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Hello and a warm welcome to you Yuliya. As you live in NY I would most definitely pay Dr Stanely Bass a visit. He is getting on a bit in years but from a two hour chat I had with him 2 years ago he may well be able to give you some sound advice re the gum issue as he has experimented with many types of fasts and raw feasts.

Are you thinking of a long term fast in order to resolve the gum issue?

The way I see it and my opinion is not based on any medical facts. Is that your lymphatic system in and around the mouth and jaw is not doing the job it is supposed to in order to protect the decaying broken tooth and harmful bacteria in the affected tooth and gum tissue. So no matter if you brush your teeth with sea salt the issue remains. Also the fact that your diet is high in fruit probably contributes to a slightly more acidic environment in the mouth due to the sugar content in fruit. Were it my mouth yes I would certainly consider a long fast, but I feel that this would calm down the issue for the duration of the fast and then when you go back to the predominantly raw fruit diet it would flair up again.

My approach would be to spend time massaging the gums and outer mouth structure (lower and upper jaw) and engage in chewing coconut and fresh pulp from the juicer for about an hour per day perhaps initially even 1 hour morning and 1 hour afternoon. Both of these exercises would serve to mobilize and irrigate the lymph nodes and vessels in the mouth and jaw thus increasing the chance for the body's natural defense mechanisms to kick in and deal with the infection. Another angle would be to explore a diet which would render your saliva more alkaline. I know from experience that my saliva pH varies considerably depending on my diet as well as exposure to the sun and also state of happiness. But this is just my subjective point of view based on self observation and dietry experimentation and I have to stress not on any lab tests. Anyhow if Dr Bass still gives consultations you won't be wasting your time by paying him a visit and he has a superb sense of humour. He has also written a thought provoking article entitled: Fruit Friend or Foe. (just google him and you will find his site)

I wish you success with the issue and do keep us posted.

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04 May 2011 04:53 #6729 by Yuliya
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Hi David,

Thanks a lot for taking the time to answer my post.
I really appreciate it.

I believe that fruit diet is an alkaline diet if it is low fat.
Of course at this time I do experience more acid saliva than usually as well as white tongue due to the fact that I am eating very little and far in between.

I really enjoy brushing and massaging the infected spot.
It feels good.
I also use the shower water irrigator with a great success and enjoyment.
However I found that chewing with this side of the mouth results in increased inflammation.

Right now I decided to do 1 day dry fast and see if it gives me better results than 1 day water fast.

I believe that a long term water fast will cause the body to consume the diseased tissues of the body - be it tumors or gum infection.

I hear what you are saying about sun and a level of happiness/positivity.

Also thank you for suggesting to see Dr. Bass.

I will keep posting here with updates on my situation.

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04 May 2011 11:22 #6732 by david
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I wasn't suggesting that you chew on the affected side if it is painful but you can chew on the other side of the mouth which will still have an positive effect IMO.

And I am hoping I have not discouraged The Fast Doctor from chipping in as he will no doubt have some very positive suggestions to add to this.

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04 May 2011 15:31 #6736 by TheFastDoctor
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Well David I indeed enthusiastically follow this topic and fully agree that if dr Bass is indeed available, this would be a golden opportunity.

Concerning dental problems, once again one needs as much information as possible. If for example there's a root canal abscess with a sinus, then fasting does not have a good chance of curing it.. and you'll need several weeks. This is one place where I would suggest a dental opinion, likely with an X-ray to see if such channel exists. Don't worry, the radiation is minimal.

André

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04 May 2011 19:25 #6738 by Yuliya
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Thank you David and Andre.

I will check to see if Dr. Bass is available.

I understand that it would have to be a several weeks fast.
That's what I intend to do.

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04 May 2011 21:28 #6739 by david
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I think 1-2 days per week dry fasting is a very good idea and a longer supervised fast at a beautiful retreat tucked away in the middle of nature is another good idea. Or perhaps even both. Any quality healing time given to yourself is never a waste of money or time.

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05 May 2011 04:30 #6750 by Yuliya
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Thank you, David.
I agree with you.

From midday yesterday to today I did a 24 hours dry fast.
I had a lot of detox in my mouth as I was doing it (white tongue, acid saliva), but when I finished and broke it with teeth brushing, shower, water and some fruit - I started feeling really clean, the way I didn't feel in my body for a long time.
There is no acidity in my mouth whatsoever now.
I have a lot of energy too.
I feel really good now.
My previous 24 hour water fasts never resulted in a similar feeling of cleanliness and completion.

So, I broke my fast for about 1.5 hours and now I am on to another one 24 hour journey :)
I am starting to enjoy it.

I decided that I will do a long fast on my own.
Not immediately.
I will try shorter fasts on my own at first.
The reasons being
1) money
2) really hard to take time off from work. I work from home, so that helps to make the fast possible.

I read some long term fasts diaries online and I think I will be able to do it.

I tried contact Dr. Bass, but nobody picks up the phone and he has no email on his website.
I read some of his articles.
Here is a very encouraging excerpt:

Another interesting phenomena which I have experienced is, that on 3 occasions in my lifetime, whenever I had a dead or abscessed tooth causing inflammation and facial swelling, I invariably went on a water fast, and within 13 to 18 days the dead tooth fell out by itself. Naturally and painlessly.
The dentists I told this to were amazed and said they never heard of this. Yet I saved these teeth as proof of Nature being able to handle all conceivable physical problems.

- Dr. Stanley Bass

Yet, I see that his eating philosophy is on a side of elimination of fruit in favor of fats. Mine is the opposite. I stay away from fats and it allow my body to process the sugar in the fruit effortlessly and with no complications.

So, I am grateful for his inspiring account of dental healing and I will repeat what he did and see what happens.

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05 May 2011 11:46 #6753 by david
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Forgot to mention oil pulling. My mother has had problematic gums and teeth all her life and she has found oil pulling to be very effective. Here is the link and there is also an article on gum disease.

www.fastingconnection.com/fasting-articles/category/98-cures

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05 May 2011 11:48 #6754 by david
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Re Dr Bass he does not have email and is totally a phone person. He sits by the phone all day. He is the longest serving natural hygienist alive ( I trust he is still alive)
And he experimented heavily on fruits diets especially grape cure which resulted in him losing many teeth.

You could also email his webmaster as she is a friend of his and can tell you what is the best time to get in touch.

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05 May 2011 19:17 #6759 by Mrs. L
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David wrote: Forgot to mention oil pulling. My mother has had problematic gums and teeth all her life and she has found oil pulling to be very effective. Here is the link and there is also an article on gum disease.

www.fastingconnection.com/fasting-articles/category/98-cures


I recommend oil pulling. It's really good. I myself do it every day and found it to be an amazing thing.
When I first read about it I thought “20 minutes oil swishing in my mouth, everyday?” No way!
Somehow, one blessed morning, I was able to convince my head to follow my heart and the rest is history. Now I can’t be without it, of course on my eating days.

Regards,
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05 May 2011 19:43 #6760 by Yuliya
Yuliya replied the topic: Re: Gum infection
I just talked to Dr. Stanely Bass.
He said that the best way to build up to a long fast is to do it.
We agreed that I will call him when I am ready to start.

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05 May 2011 19:45 #6761 by Yuliya
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I used to do a lot of oil pulling.
Right now I am experimenting with not using anything in my mouth except for water and a toothbrush.

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05 May 2011 23:57 #6765 by david
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Well done of persisting with Dr Bass! He will probably keep you entertained for hours. I would love to meet him one day. So I take it he will be supervising your fast on the phone?

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06 May 2011 00:23 #6767 by Yuliya
Yuliya replied the topic: Re: Gum infection
yes, David, Dr. Bass confirmed his experiences about 3 of his diseased teeth falling out on their own during 13 to 21 days water fast.
He does not approve my diet but he agreed to supervise my fast on the phone as soon as I am ready.

On the other note, I just completed another 24 hour dry fast and broke it with teeth brushing, some water, a shower and some fruit.
I am on to another one now. This second one was a lot easier than the previous one. I was not so thirsty and didn't feel so dirty in my mouth. However, this 24-hour dry fast definitely not as effective for my gum as my previous 3 days water fast.

When I eat after my 24 hour fast, I have the same experience again and again: my fantasies about food (fruit) are a lot better than the actual eating experience. I enjoy eating but not as much as I imagined I would and I get satiated very quickly. Today I feel as if I am ready to make this my meal my last one for the next several weeks...

I still have a lot of fruit in the house and I feel bad about it going to waste. My husband is a raw vegan as well, but he eats a lot of green salads and about the same amount of fruit as I do now with all my fasting.

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06 May 2011 12:06 #6769 by cory
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If you really wanted you could do a 24 hour dry fast followed by a 3 day water fast still not a long fast but it will help you prepare for your longer fast in the future maybe do your last two days at the weekend so if you do feel bad it wouldn't effect your work unless you work weekends that is.

If you have too much fruit you can always liquidize/boil/freeze some of it I have done it with watermelons before or turn it into sorbet/ice cream if you want to add stuff to it. I heard that it doesn't work well with oranges but works with most fruit.

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07 May 2011 02:45 #6777 by Yuliya
Yuliya replied the topic: Re: Gum infection
Thanks, Cory.
I like your suggestion, but at this point I've been already eating for the last two days (one time yesterday, and 3 times today!!!).
I am planning to do at least 2 days fast on the weekend.

For the last couple of months I've been eating only fresh fruit (and occasional vegetables) by itself with no processing whatsoever. No blending, juicing or anything else.
I find this to be the best way both for my digestion, for enjoyment, for the peace of mind, and also I feel that it's the easiest way to transition into fasting mentally and physically.

Thanks again to everyone following and replying this thread.

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09 May 2011 20:13 #6811 by Yuliya
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Over the weekend I did 1.5 day dry fast followed by 1 day water fast.
I felt pretty good as I was going through this - peaceful and with enough energy to do stuff that I wanted to do.
I slept great too.
Today I woke up and felt that I wouldn't be able to get any work done if I continued the fast. So, I decided to break but I wanted to take a shower first. After the shower I felt even weaker than before the shower and as I was getting dressed suddenly I started feeling that I really needed to lay down. So, I got out of the bathroom and went to the nearest room. Just as I was approaching the bed, suddenly I started seeing everything in black light. I laid down immediately and after a couple of seconds my vision became normal again.
I went back to the bathroom, finished getting dressed really fast and ate an amazingly delicious cantaloupe. As soon as I started eating it, the feeling of weakness disappeared and I started feeling really good.

My gum is still slightly swollen but it doesn't bother me at all now. No sensations there.
I am sure that my body wants to get rid of that tooth and it will eventually.

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09 May 2011 20:34 #6813 by david
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Sounds like your blood sugar was low Yuliya! I forgot to mention that a couple of years ago during a trip to the hygienist she mentioned that my gums looked swollen and too red. So I dry fasted for 3 days and when I returned to her just after this 3 day dry fast she was really impressed with the results so that says something about dry fasting. Hope you get super positive results too.

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10 May 2011 05:08 #6826 by Yuliya
Yuliya replied the topic: Re: Gum infection
Agreed, David, I am really impressed by dry fasting now.

Today I feel really good and optimistic about the future :)

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