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15 Aug 2012 10:07 #11921 by superhuman
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Hello
Say if i start my dry fast at 18:00 i can sleep that day but on the next day and forward i struggle with my sleep. I cant fall a sleep im not tired, why is this? it always happends when i dry fast or drink very litle water during a water fast

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09 Oct 2012 10:28 #13093 by Andrew
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Dry fasting gives us a lot more energy to use than a normal water fast. Technical reason being I believe is that more fats need to be broken down for the water content we need day to day than are broken down by someone water fasting, who only needs the ketones.

Because we need to metabolise more fat for the water content therefore, we have a lot more energy from that breakdown of fat to use up. If we have a lot of detox to do that might well be used up and we can still feel tired, but the usual result as you've noticed is more energy and less need for rest/sleep.

At least that's the way I understand it. Feeling it myself at the end of day 3. Don't know when I'll get to bed tonight! :)

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10 Oct 2012 07:00 #13112 by jimmyfree
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What if sleep is an unnatural process that we've developed to compensate for our glutenous way of living? :cheer:
What if dry fasting restores our natural ability to function on less and less sleep?
I noticed 3 weeks ago when I was doing intermittent juice and dry fasting I was happy on just 3 and a half or 4 hours of sleep per night. I actually went to bed around 1 am and woke refreshed at 4:30. I was bored just lying in bed so I drove to my yoga studio and did my 90 minute Ashtanga routine and found myself back at home about the time I normally leave the house.
And the 4 o clock nap that I usually crave just got forgotten about while I happily was building my latest creation.

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10 Oct 2012 08:24 #13113 by Andrew
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Yeah I've got little doubt that we sleep too much of our lives away and with the right balance of foods and fasting we could go without, not completely but with maybe half the sleep we're used to maybe. All we have to do then is work out what to do with all that extra time we have.

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27 Oct 2012 23:18 #13356 by superhuman
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Thank you both. Maybe, its just strange. But i dont have more energy when i dry fast i feel more crappy like heavier detox but i cant get tired so i go to sleep. its just strange

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28 Oct 2012 00:40 #13358 by Hungry Caveman
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Why Can’t I Sleep?

I wrote this article while I was water fasting. But because I think ketones may be the culprit here I think my thoughts on the subject may apply to dry fasting as well. By the way I am very interested in dry fasting, but I have a history of blood clots and pulmonary embolism and I cannot risk the dehydration associated with dry fasting. This is the article:

It is 3:00 in the Morning and my Brain is Going Wild and I am wide awake after about four hours of sleep. I mean I am WIDE AWAKE. I feel totally rested and my brain is going a mile a minute. I feel really good and I want to write, but everybody else in the house is asleep; my son is sleeping, the cats are sleeping and even the fish and the bird are sleeping. But I can't sleep!

Here I am wide awake and full of ideas. What is happening to me? I am in the fourth day of a pure water fast and I am not the slightest bit hungry. Deprived of the glucose from the pounds of watermelon I was eating only a few days ago I think I might be buzzed on KETONES. What is going on here?

To understand a little better about what is going on it might be useful to discuss water fasting, ketosis and brain functioning. Remember in the article I wrote at www.loseweightgetyounger.com/...telligence.htm I said that Einstein used to fast to gain greater mental clarity. Am I awake at 3:00 AM because of an Einstein brain buzz?

Over about two and a half million years of evolutionary history we developed the big brains that gave us a tremendous evolutionary advantage over all other animals on the face of the planet; our big brains made us a lot smarter. But there was a trade off; our big brains needed a lot of energy. In fact our big brains that only take up about 2% of our body weight take up about 20 percent of the energy we use in any given day. Putting it another way, pound for pound, my brain right now that is writing this article may be using 10 times the energy I would be using if I were running, walking or washing my car. The evolutionary tradeoff for having big brains was that if we were going to be smart we were going to have to feed those big brains with a lot of energy.

In my article on ketosis at www.loseweightgetyounger.com/ketosis.htm I discussed how the body can use ketones rather than glucose for energy. In fact over our two and a half million years of evolutionary history we probably have used ketones more for energy than we have glucose. Remember, humans went 2.5 million years without grains, legumes, or sugary fruit. The diet our ancient ancestors ate was mostly lots of low carbohydrate vegetable matter and zero carbohydrate meat with some occasional nuts, berries and eggs thrown in.

Regrettably for our bodies and our waistlines our modern diet has switched from a diet that used low-glycemic foods and promoted a great deal of ketone production to a very high carbohydrate diet rich in sugar that virtually shuts down all ketone production and depends almost totally on glucose metabolism.

The average American consumes a huge 400 grams of carbohydrate per day. This carbohydrate overload is a disaster for our health and can burn out cells, including brain cells, and leading to poor glucose metabolism, diabetes and obesity. It causes an insulin roller coaster forcing brain cells to become insulin resistant and thereby starved for needed energy. In fact it causes carbohydrate brain fog.

So why am I wide awake at 3:00 AM on the fourth day of my water fast feeling like my brain is running on steroids? Because it IS running on steroids except the steroids are really ketones. Ketones are what our brains prefer for energy and this preference has been developed during two and a half million years of evolutionary history. For our brains ketones are more efficient than glucose. And the reason that I am up after only four hours of sleep is that my body and brain has gotten all the sleep it needs due to this ketone efficiency.

One of the great advantages of water fasting, as opposed to “100% carbohydrate juice fasting”, is that it switches our insulin resistant brains and bodies over to relying on ketones for energy rather than glucose. The result is that we get more energy to our brains, our metabolisms become more efficient, and our thinking becomes clearer. It is not unhealthy that I can't sleep. Fasting forces us to connect with the metabolism our bodies have known for nearly two and a half million years.

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28 Oct 2012 18:48 #13367 by Shant
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Hello hungry caveman, you can post your thoughts as well to blog section here: www.fastingconnection.com/intermittent-fasting-blogs (pick Dry fasting in the drop down menu). Andrew is blogging about his dry fasts each month. Milena was also a blogger who journaled about her 40 day combined dry/water fast. Check it out if you're interested and haven't done so far: www.fastingconnection.com/articles-on-fasting/dry-fasting .

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29 Oct 2012 00:30 #13377 by Hungry Caveman
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Hey Shant

Thank you for tipping me off regarding the blog section. I read the entire blog by Milena and it just blew me away. It was so interesting. I have also read most of Dr. Filonov's book on dry fasting and found it fascinating.

I may do another long fast myself in time and I promise you I will blog my progress here.

I do a lot of short fasts, but truthfully every short fast I do starts out with the thought that maybe this time I will go for the really long one. In reality all my short fasts are really failed long fasts!

I have this dream of getting my 6 foot frame down to about the 140 pounds I was when I was nineteen. I am presently about 175 down from 260 four years ago. Fasting is the only way I will be able to do this.

I was once a pretty good marathoner and even ran a couple 50 mile races. I would like to resume training, but feel I could avoid injury best if I could be as "light as a feather".

Fasting has given me a new life and I may put some asleep with my enthusiasm for the discipline.

-Caveman



Hello hungry caveman, you can post your thoughts as well to blog section here: www.fastingconnection.com/intermittent-fasting-blogs (pick Dry fasting in the drop down menu). Andrew is blogging about his dry fasts each month. Milena was also a blogger who journaled about her 40 day combined dry/water fast. Check it out if you're interested and haven't done so far: www.fastingconnection.com/articles-on-fasting/dry-fasting .

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29 Oct 2012 16:44 #13387 by Shant
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Respect! I read in another thread that you completed 47 days. So I'm wondering how short or long your short fasts really are. Thank you

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29 Oct 2012 17:27 #13391 by Hungry Caveman
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Shant,

I have done an estimated 50 fasts in the past 4 and a half years. Two have been for 47 days. One has been for 15 days. Two have been for 10 days. Five have been for four or five days. And all the rest have been one or two day affairs.

I am still struggling with weight control. My weight never stays the same. It seems when I eat, no matter what I eat, or how little I eat, I gain weight. So I control my weight with frequent fasting. This is fairly easy for me. I do not suffer detox symptoms and I am very healthy and feel great. As of today I am about 172 pounds on a six foot frame. But this could change tomorrow and I might start fasting again.

I cannot tell you (and I am a psychologist!) what clicks in my brain to make me go on a really long fast. But regardless I am always trying to do a long fast.

I should add also that I had few problems with the long fasts except weakness and "slow walking" and, believe it or not, some mild, pleasant visual hallucinations. I was not under medical supervision. I broke the long fasts with watermelon and was able to resume normal eating within three days.

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29 Oct 2012 19:48 - 29 Oct 2012 20:34 #13395 by Ockeghem
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Hungry Caveman,

First, let me say that I am very impressed with your two forty-seven day fasts! I've not gone longer than twenty-one days. And, I noted that you've run marathons. I have run several marathons, and have run over forty miles a few times. I'm currently training for a fifty-mile ultra.

I'm 6'4" and I vascillate between 160 and 190 lbs. I'm in the second day of a no food fast, and I've dropped exactly ten lbs. in forty hours. This is very common with me. I will jump from 165 to 185 in two weeks, and then 'control' my weight with another fast. I hope this is a healthy way of doing things. I'm honestly not sure if it is, but it works for me, so I continue to do it.

I don't mind my weight to be around 175 or 180 (especially when I run more than thirty miles at one time during a given week); however, I like it to be about 165 at race time. You wrote that your lighter frame might prevent you from injuring yourself. I agree with this, and when I am around 160 lbs., I not only run faster, but I feel as though I am not going to be injured any time soon.

I am intrigued by the number '47' for two of your fasts. May I ask if that number is significant to you in some way? Just curious. :)

David,

I just figured out that I've fasted for a total of 120 days (including my current fast) since November of 2011. That means I've fasted for four months out of eleven. I'm not quite at an ADF pace yet, but I'm getting there! It would be very interesting to see if there would have been any significant difference in my overall weight had I opted to do an '010' (e.g., for four out of eight months) rather than several longer fasts over the same amount of time.

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29 Oct 2012 20:07 - 29 Oct 2012 20:09 #13396 by Ockeghem
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Hungry Caveman wrote: Hey Shant

Thank you for tipping me off regarding the blog section. I read the entire blog by Milena and it just blew me away. It was so interesting. I have also read most of Dr. Filonov's book on dry fasting and found it fascinating.

I may do another long fast myself in time and I promise you I will blog my progress here.

I do a lot of short fasts, but truthfully every short fast I do starts out with the thought that maybe this time I will go for the really long one. In reality all my short fasts are really failed long fasts!

I have this dream of getting my 6 foot frame down to about the 140 pounds I was when I was nineteen. I am presently about 175 down from 260 four years ago. Fasting is the only way I will be able to do this.

I was once a pretty good marathoner and even ran a couple 50 mile races. I would like to resume training, but feel I could avoid injury best if I could be as "light as a feather".

Fasting has given me a new life and I may put some asleep with my enthusiasm for the discipline.

-Caveman


Hungry Caveman,

Did you find that when you were training for your ultras you were able to keep your weight down? Last summer, I was around 160 lbs. (I'm 6'4") when I was running between 50-65 miles per week. That's not a lot of mileage, but it's enough to keep me injury-free and 'in the ballpark' as far as readying myself for an ultra. It kept my weight right where I wanted it to be while I was committed to being consistent with that amount of mileage.

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30 Oct 2012 01:42 #13401 by Hungry Caveman
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Greetings! First of all I am really impressed that you are so devoted to running and are taking on a 50 mile ultra. And furthermore my friend at 6 feet four inches and weighing only 160 pounds you are one tough SOB! :whistle:

I have to confess the truth about my running. I took up running fairly late in life at age 25! ;) I trained fairly regularly until I was about 50, but I have been laid off for nearly 20 years.

My high water mark was in my early 30s when on April 21st 1975 I ran the Boston Marathon in 2:50:58 and was 564th out of about 2500 qualified starters. A local chap named Bill Rogers won that year and a German girl set the woman’s world record at 2:47. I remember the German girl because I was running close to her for most of the race and the Boston crowds were going wild and in my running haze I pretended they were cheering for me! :lol:

I also ran two 50 mile races and during one in Michigan I ran 7:03 (see attachment) These times did not qualify me for the Olympics LOL :huh: but they were spectacular times for me.

I think as a fellow runner you can understand when I tell you that more than anything in the world I would like to run again. There are plenty of old man runners out there, but so far I am not one of them. Last year I actually got myself up to WALKING nearly 50 miles a week, but regardless my body rebelled when I tried to jog.

But it is the long distance fasting that has warped my mind. :laugh: I have come away from these long fasting experiences with the sense that the mind can triumph over the body and that just about anything is possible. And so therefore I have a long term plan to return to running and even to run respectable times.

HOWEVER, there is a weight issue. Right now as I type I am 6 feet even and about 175 pounds and my friends say I am skinny. But when I ran that Boston race I was 155 pounds. If you are curious you can see a picture of me at that race and at 155 pounds here www.loseweightgetyounger.com/z%20who_is_slimmer_bob.htm But back then if my weight went to 165 pounds I thought of myself as fat and my running times fell into the toilet. If I went to 175 pounds, my current weight, I was very fat and could hardly train. So if I want to run I need to lose weight.

So assuming that my 69 year old joints are not any stronger today than when I was 32 I feel that for me to start running again I need to get my weight down to at least 155 and 145 would be better yet. But my secret weapon, something I knew nothing about when I was 32, is water fasting. I believe that with fasting it should be possible to get my weight as low as I want. And if I am going to retrain my body at age 69 I really need a light body. Perhaps the lightest body I have ever had as an adult.

If I had not done the long fasting I would never entertain these ideas. But I do believe now that the body is capable of age reversal and regeneration and that if I am patient and gradually apply increasing stress loads my body will adapt and I will be able to run well again. But I am giving myself 3 to 5 years to do all this. I believe I have plenty of time and there is no hurry. I’m not getting older; I’m getting younger.

By the way at age 69 I have no arthritis and 20 years after stopping running I still retain the slow heart beat and low blood pressure of a marathoner. I have a cuff at home and both my 11 year old son and I do it together and I frequently have lower blood pressure than he. Fasting has, I believe, restored much of the vitality of my youth. But running is still going to take some more work.

OK the questions. 47 days. I wish I could explain the number 47 in some exotic way like I was driven to beat Jesus by a week! LOL :woohoo: But the truth is that on my first long fast I was getting really dizzy and was even having to sit down to pee or end up in the bathtub. :S I read someplace that dizziness might be caused by low sodium chloride and they suggested eating a pickle. So on the 47th day I ate a pickle. Then I ate another pickle! Then I ate all the pickles in the jar and guzzled all the delicious pickle juice. And then I hit the watermelon in the refrigerator. And that ended my first long fast on the 47th day! :ohmy:

On my second recent long fast I started going crazy the last week, but told myself I could not stop short of my previous record. And so when I got to day 47 I called it quits. This time I skipped the pickles but did a whole watermelon.

I cannot say running helped me much with weight except I would diet like crazy to get my weight down before a race. I could never get good times even if I was only 5 pounds overweight. To separate myself from food I used to drive my motor home with very limited food in the refrigerator, deep into the Michigan woods for a week at a time and train in total isolation. I was fighting the weight battles constantly even when I was running 100 mile weeks. My weight is much more stable now with fasting. Eternal vigilance is the price of thinness!

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30 Oct 2012 15:17 - 30 Oct 2012 15:30 #13417 by Ockeghem
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Greetings! First of all I am really impressed that you are so devoted to running and are taking on a 50 mile ultra. And furthermore my friend at 6 feet four inches and weighing only 160 pounds you are one tough SOB! :whistle:

I have to confess the truth about my running. I took up running fairly late in life at age 25! ;) I trained fairly regularly until I was about 50, but I have been laid off for nearly 20 years.

My high water mark was in my early 30s when on April 21st 1975 I ran the Boston Marathon in 2:50:58 and was 564th out of about 2500 qualified starters. A local chap named Bill Rogers won that year and a German girl set the woman’s world record at 2:47. I remember the German girl because I was running close to her for most of the race and the Boston crowds were going wild and in my running haze I pretended they were cheering for me! :lol:

I also ran two 50 mile races and during one in Michigan I ran 7:03 (see attachment) These times did not qualify me for the Olympics LOL :huh: but they were spectacular times for me.

I think as a fellow runner you can understand when I tell you that more than anything in the world I would like to run again. There are plenty of old man runners out there, but so far I am not one of them. Last year I actually got myself up to WALKING nearly 50 miles a week, but regardless my body rebelled when I tried to jog.

But it is the long distance fasting that has warped my mind. :laugh: I have come away from these long fasting experiences with the sense that the mind can triumph over the body and that just about anything is possible. And so therefore I have a long term plan to return to running and even to run respectable times.

HOWEVER, there is a weight issue. Right now as I type I am 6 feet even and about 175 pounds and my friends say I am skinny. But when I ran that Boston race I was 155 pounds. If you are curious you can see a picture of me at that race and at 155 pounds here www.loseweightgetyounger.com/z%20who_is_slimmer_bob.htm But back then if my weight went to 165 pounds I thought of myself as fat and my running times fell into the toilet. If I went to 175 pounds, my current weight, I was very fat and could hardly train. So if I want to run I need to lose weight.

So assuming that my 69 year old joints are not any stronger today than when I was 32 I feel that for me to start running again I need to get my weight down to at least 155 and 145 would be better yet. But my secret weapon, something I knew nothing about when I was 32, is water fasting. I believe that with fasting it should be possible to get my weight as low as I want. And if I am going to retrain my body at age 69 I really need a light body. Perhaps the lightest body I have ever had as an adult.

If I had not done the long fasting I would never entertain these ideas. But I do believe now that the body is capable of age reversal and regeneration and that if I am patient and gradually apply increasing stress loads my body will adapt and I will be able to run well again. But I am giving myself 3 to 5 years to do all this. I believe I have plenty of time and there is no hurry. I’m not getting older; I’m getting younger.

By the way at age 69 I have no arthritis and 20 years after stopping running I still retain the slow heart beat and low blood pressure of a marathoner. I have a cuff at home and both my 11 year old son and I do it together and I frequently have lower blood pressure than he. Fasting has, I believe, restored much of the vitality of my youth. But running is still going to take some more work.

OK the questions. 47 days. I wish I could explain the number 47 in some exotic way like I was driven to beat Jesus by a week! LOL :woohoo: But the truth is that on my first long fast I was getting really dizzy and was even having to sit down to pee or end up in the bathtub. :S I read someplace that dizziness might be caused by low sodium chloride and they suggested eating a pickle. So on the 47th day I ate a pickle. Then I ate another pickle! Then I ate all the pickles in the jar and guzzled all the delicious pickle juice. And then I hit the watermelon in the refrigerator. And that ended my first long fast on the 47th day! :ohmy:

On my second recent long fast I started going crazy the last week, but told myself I could not stop short of my previous record. And so when I got to day 47 I called it quits. This time I skipped the pickles but did a whole watermelon.

I cannot say running helped me much with weight except I would diet like crazy to get my weight down before a race. I could never get good times even if I was only 5 pounds overweight. To separate myself from food I used to drive my motor home with very limited food in the refrigerator, deep into the Michigan woods for a week at a time and train in total isolation. I was fighting the weight battles constantly even when I was running 100 mile weeks. My weight is much more stable now with fasting. Eternal vigilance is the price of thinness!


Caveman,

Boston Billy and Liane Winter! I ran at least two Boston Marathons in which Bill Rodgers also ran. But this was slightly after his three consecutive wins (1978-1980). It was he, Johnny Kelley, Frank Shorter, and Toshihiko Seko (among a few others) that inspired me to begin running in the late 1970s. When I heard that Seko had actually done 50-mile 'glycogen depletion' runs (and at a 6:00 per-mile pace!) I was greatly inspired to run.

I ran in five consecutive Boston Marathons, completing four of them. I also completed the blistering hot 1984 New York City Marathon (won by O. Pizzolato -- even he stopped five or six times during that particular race); that was a memorable race for me for a number of reasons. But my best times were no where near as fast as yours. That 2:50:58 is amazing to me. I never broke three hours, although I came close a couple of times.

I don't currently weigh 160 lbs., but the wonderful thing about fasting is that I know I can get to that particular weight in about two weeks time. The key for me is staying there, and that is where (I think) alternate day fasting (ADF) may hold the key. As I've mentioned in a couple of threads, I am really intrigued by this method of fasting.

I used to smoke nearly three packs of cigarettes per day and drink eight cups of coffee per day. This was when I was in my late teens. It was then that I experienced tachycardia for the first time, which really frightened me. So, after going to the doctor (he told me my heart was fine but that I should give up the cigarettes and coffee), I came home, threw the cigarettes away, and ran for ... thirty-three seconds. The reason I only ran for that amount of time was because I didn't know if the rapid heart rate would come back -- was it physiological, pathological, or something else? Thankfully, the accelerated heart beat brought on by running was a good thing, had nothing to do with the tobacco- and caffeine-induced tachycardia, and returned to a normal resting heart rate after I ceased exercising.

It is amazing to me that even while running 100 miles-per-week you were fighting weight issues. This sounds like it can't occur, but I know full well that it can. I used to ingest about 4,500-5,000 calories-per-day when I was running 75 miles-per-week. And I was maintaining a body weight of about 165 lbs. But that was when I was in my twenties. Getting my metabolism that high now as it was then is very difficult for me to do. I do know that running around twenty to thirty miles at one time will knock off about 7-14 lbs., but of course I cannot do this more than (at most) two times per week without the risk of eventually incurring some kind of nagging (or chronic) injury.

I do believe too that water fasting really is the key. I think that I will eventually train my mind (and my body) to eat much less-per-week than I now do. I hope to have the mental toughness to do a modified ADF (0010101) consistently. If I am unable to do this, then I will probably end up fasting as I do now (implementing fasts of varying lengths for about one-third of the year). At least I know that this works, although it is probably not the ideal way to maintain my body weight.

Thank you for the explanation of your two 47-day fasts. Very interesting! And best wishes with your continued fasting. :)

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31 Oct 2012 04:10 #13435 by Hungry Caveman
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Hey I am sorry we have hijacked this thread to talk about running. But old runners cannot help it LOL :woohoo:

Ockeghem , I am really impressed you remember Liane Winter of Germany. This is a photo my father took of her in April 1975 within minutes of her setting a new woman’s world record in the marathon. She finished about four minutes ahead of me. I was not looking nearly as good as Liane. I was laying on the floor in agony. This always happened with me after a really good race. It would take me about 45 minutes to recover and then I was fine.

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31 Oct 2012 12:02 - 31 Oct 2012 12:11 #13439 by biologiste
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..Because you are stressing your metabolism by not drinking at least 1 litre of water per day when you fast... Real fasting (autolysis begins after 3 days of fasting. If you do not sleep well after one week of fasting it is normal but you should stay in bed and make beleive that you are sleeping and resting...Activity during fasting is counter productive. In fasting clinics people are not allowed to go up staircases, take a bath , a shower or walk outside...
Everybody has to stay in bed untill 9 AM and have a nap from 11 AM to Noon time then another nap in bed from 4P.M. to 6 P.M. then in bed at 9 P.M. Fasting is a digestive rest, it must be done with physical rest, emotional rest, intellectual rest and sexual rest if you want long lasting beneficial results . Otherwise you atre wasting your time and money.
All exercise during fasting is wasting vital energy that is limited and must be used for self healing (autolysis). Babies have a lot of vital energy. Adults have limited vital energy. Older persons have less vital energy. When wise people like jesus fast they stay away from people. When Ghandi fasted and walked a lot he developped terrible pains in his legs and had to stop walking and get to bed untill the pains go away.

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31 Oct 2012 12:28 - 31 Oct 2012 12:29 #13440 by Ockeghem
Ockeghem replied the topic: Why do i always loose sleep when i dry fast?
Caveman,

Yeah, I too am guilty of hijacking this thread. Sorry. I actually started a thread entitled Fasting and Long-Distance Running. It was the first thread I created, and the first one in which I posted. I wouldn't mind it if David moved our posts to that thread if he feels it necessary.

BTW, your time of 7 hours for the fifty-miler is amazing! I will be very pleased if I finish a fifty-miler in under ten hours, which I am on track to do. But one never knows what will happen on race day!

Biologiste,

I don't believe that exercising during fasting is wasting vital energy. And resting during fasting is not an option for me, nor should it be. I enjoy physical activity while fasting, and it is a good way to continue to burn away the pounds at a fairly consistent rate.

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01 Nov 2012 11:42 #13454 by biologiste
biologiste replied the topic: Why do i always loose sleep when i dry fast?
Exercising during fasting depletes the body from energy that is needed for self healing and self detoxication. I new and observed a lady who wasted her energy during fasting..she developped mineral deficiencies that lead to maniaco-depression that poisoned her family life and lead to suicide...
Fasting puts the body in survival mode and forces it to use stored nutrients.
The alcaline minerals are also used to nutrilize toxins that are most often acid or acid forming. Our vital energy is limited. when it is diverted to exercise during fasting it is no longer available to maintain essential body organs and functions. that make the faster vulnerable to be shoked by the cold or by virus in the environment. People who fast in poor environments, in bad conditions lead themselves to death by inanition; exhaustion from lack of nourishment. Activity and exercise during fasting leads to self destruction. Any biologist, physioligist or physician will confirm this.

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01 Nov 2012 12:52 #13455 by Hungry Caveman
Hungry Caveman replied the topic: Why do i always loose sleep when i dry fast?
I disagree biologiste and would like to see research to support these views. But my research is an experiment of one. I nearly died about four and a half years ago and have saved my life with fasting and exercise. I assure you today that I am healthy and emotionally balanced.

I would refer you to the thread and article on this site that I wrote, Water Fasting and Blood Chemistry, www.loseweightgetyounger.com/blood_chemistry.htm . as probable scientific evidence that fasting and exercise can have extraordinary health benefits quite beyond anything offered by conventional medicine.

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