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12 Nov 2012 19:02 #13669 by Hononey
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Hello to everybody! :)

I just wanted to welcome you and introduce myself. My name is Yola and Im Polish. The longest fast I ever had lasted for 14 days and that was water fast. I will update my experience in this thread. I want to go onto a dry fast for as long as my body will allow me to (max 12 days). After that I will start my water fast.

I also have a question. 1) Do you know any potassium supplement that would help me restore the electrolytes? I had awful head dizzines and I felt really sick :sick: . You could see my vessils being very narrow. Can you give me an advice on this issue? Also, I want to do training with weights while doing my dry fast. 2) Do you think this is a good idea?

Lots of love,
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12 Nov 2012 20:06 #13670 by Hungry Caveman
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Hononey wrote: Hello to everybody! :)

I just wanted to welcome you and introduce myself. My name is Yola and Im Polish. The longest fast I ever had lasted for 14 days and that was water fast. I will update my experience in this thread. I want to go onto a dry fast for as long as my body will allow me to (max 12 days). After that I will start my water fast.

I also have a question. 1) Do you know any potassium supplement that would help me restore the electrolytes? I had awful head dizzines and I felt really sick :sick: . You could see my vessils being very narrow. Can you give me an advice on this issue? Also, I want to do training with weights while doing my dry fast. 2) Do you think this is a good idea?

Lots of love,
Yola :kiss:


Welcome Yola and good luck on your fast.

I read a good book on fasting a while back

Fasting and Eating for Health: A Medical Doctor's Program for Conquering Disease by Dr. Joel Fuhrman

Fuhrman who has supervised thousands of fasts makes the point that the fasting body is healthy and takes care of itself quite well without supplementation.

Furthermore I read a long time ago about some Irish prisoners who starved themselves to death as a protest. These prisoners barely lasted a month before they died. The reason for their premature death was, according to some researchers, was that they were taking salt tablets believing that they were replacing lost electrolytes.

I confess, however, that I am a chronic skeptic and not inclined to believe everything I read. I undertook my own experiment to test the effects of a 30 day pure water fast on my own blood chemistry.

What I discovered basically was that Joel Fuhrman had it right. My blood chemistry was altered in a very positive way and my electrolytes remained stable during the fast.

With the exception of a slightly low potassium reading all electrolyte, protein and mineral tests remained normal after 30 days of fasting. I have argued that people worry needlessly about electrolytes and mineral and vitamin depletion during a long water fast. The body is quite capable of maintaining normal levels of all these things during complete abstinence from food. The fasting body is a healthy body and in any health crisis I would prefer to be fasting rather than to be eating. This study on just one person supports that belief.


These are some of my results after 30 days of pure water fasting:

Glucose serum went from 92 mg/dl to 73 mg/dl NORMAL
Normal is 65 to 99 and diabetic would be about 120 or higher.

Sodium Serum went from 137 mmol/L to 137 mmol/L unchanged NORMAL
135 to 145 is normal

Potassium serum went from 4.0 mmol/L to 3.2 mmol/L SLIGHTLY LOW
3.5 to 5.2 is normal

Chloride serum went from 104 mmol/L to 99 mmol/L NORMAL
97 to 108 is normal

Calcium serum went from 9.5 mg/dl to 9.1 mg/dl NORMAL
8.6 to 10.2 is normal

Protein Serum went from 6.8 g/dl to 6.6 g/dl NORMAL
6.0 to 8.5 is normal

LIPIDS

Total Cholesterol went from 263 to 185 NORMAL
100 -199 is normal

Triglycerides went from 307 to159 SLIGHTLY HIGH
1-149 is normal

HDL “GOOD” Cholesterol went from 45 mg/dl to 43 mg/dl NORMAL
Normal is anything greater than 39

VLDL Cholesterol went from 61 mg/dl to 32 mg/dl NORMAL
Normal is 5 – 40

LDL “BAD” Cholesterol went from157 mg/dl to 110 mg/dl SLIGHTLY HIGH
Normal is 0-99

In my opinion Yola you could fast without supplementation and not worry. Some activity is fine if you feel like it but I do not think you should overdue it. A long fast is not the time to undertake a new fitness program.

Regarding the headaches, welcome to detox city! :woohoo:

Fasting is strong medicine and the first long fast for a beginner can be very rough. The side effects of this strong medicine can be many and can be very unpleasant and include, head aches, nausea, rashes, blackouts, horrible dreams, complete loss of energy, insomnia, back aches, smelly discharges, foul breath, loss of balance, depression, anger, and even mild hallucinations. And that is not a complete list.

The good news is that if you become an experienced faster and do a lot of fasting these symptoms will be reduced and may simply disappear. I have done about 50 fasts ranging in length from 1 to 47 days in the past four or five years and insomnia is about the only problem I now experience along with mild and pleasant hallucinations. No I do not lose my mind; the mild and pleasant visual hallucinations do not interfere with my functioning in any way.

I hope this helps.

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12 Nov 2012 20:47 #13673 by david
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Thank you Caveman I go along with all these good recommendations and much better coming from someone with experience.

Fasting is strong medicine and the first long fast for a beginner can be very rough. The side effects of this strong medicine can be many and can be very unpleasant and include


Welcome to our community Hononey you may also wish to check out this link on active fasting which the Fast Doctor promotes and there have been many on this site who have solved some of the horrible detox symptoms by following his Active Fast protocol.

In the past magnesium depletion has been a concern by site members manifesting as muscle cramps. The solution has been Dolomite supplements which contain magnesium and calcium. Two other serious site members Yuliya and Esmee La Fleur also believed that they were depleted in Omega fatty acids during their lengthy fasts and they found that Chia seeds solved the problem.

If you are planning a long fast then it would not do you any harm to find a Doctor or clinic to keep an eye on your blood chemistry just to be on the safe side. I have known site members to faint while water fasting so it is worth taking whichever precautionary measures you can to ensure a successful fast.

With regards to very long dry fasts I would still closely monitor your body's thirst feedback in order to avoid dehydration. The body needs a certain amount of water to process the toxins.

I wish you success

Here is the link for The Five Step Detox Cycle: www.fastingconnection.com/forum/Five-Ste...Cycle-Active-Fasting

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12 Nov 2012 21:47 #13674 by Hononey
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Hungry Cavemam: Thank you for your supportive imformation. I found them very helpful. :)

David: Thank you for the information about the supplements. :cheer:

I also have another question: I suffer from eczma (atopic dermatitis). My skin is as dry as a dessert. I've heard that when you do a dry fast it is advisable to avoid water at all cost because the part of your body gets in contact with water is healing slower. So does that mean that I can't use creams or any oils on my skin? Will that affect my skin or fast? :blink:

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13 Nov 2012 08:31 #13677 by david
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Hononey thisi s perhaps a question to put to The Fast Doctor on "posts for the fast Doctor" category.

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13 Nov 2012 10:31 #13681 by Hononey
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Yesterday, at night time, I had my last meal and then went to the gym and did some weight training. I purposely didnt take any water with me because I knew I would drink it anyway. I went back home and drink then. :silly:

To be honest, it is easier for me to do a dry fast, rather than a water fast. Why? Because after I finished my first fast and tried to do another one for over a month a was failing each day eating something. So trying to focus my attention on wanting water rather than food is more comfortable. Also (suprisingly) I dont feel thirst at all. :cheer:

I was woken up by my alarm this morning at 0530 and finally woken up at 7am. My lectures starts later on Tuesdays so I was alright. So far Im feeling great although there was a moment when I was feeling cold. Hopefully this feeling will go away as I will go to the gym tonight to 'teach' my body to keep me warm :evil:

So far so great!

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13 Nov 2012 13:03 #13685 by Hononey
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It is 1pm now and my stomach is crying for food :S It's a good thing I started the fast today, because being at college, I have no access to food which means I can't fail even if I'd want to. B) I feel a bit cold and hungry, but other than than I'm quite alright. :laugh:

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13 Nov 2012 18:42 #13693 by Hononey
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Right, Im not gonna lie to you because I can't lie. I failed :(

But, I made a youtube playlist that I will update my diary, so that way it will be a lot easier for me. :)

www.youtube.com/user/sk8hononey/videos?flow=grid&view=1

Thank you :kiss:

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13 Nov 2012 19:14 #13694 by david
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Don' t worry there is no competition when it is the right time things will fall into place. I really liked what you said about dry fasting shifting focus on thirst rather than hunger. Very clever indeed.

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14 Nov 2012 13:24 - 14 Nov 2012 13:28 #13722 by Hononey
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Thank you for your post. What you said is really helpful because Im being to strict for myself.

I can tell two advantages of dry fast from my (so far) own experience:
1) You can focus on your thirst rather than on hunger. Thirst is also 'stronger' physically than hunger.
2) You are not cold when you do the dry fast. I found out that when I drink water, I can get cold even in a really warm room. To be fair when we water fast, the first two days we try to kill the hunger by drinking water. So in MY opinion dry fast is the esiest way to start, because you constantly keeping the 'same' water inside your body. Your body will get use to it anyway so it's not dangerous. I think the only time I will drink water will be right before I'll go to bed because that way, my body will be able to get rid off all the toxins and I will be kept warm under my duvet at the same time.
3) If you are tired of failing, quit failing. I mean, how many days there can be DAY 1s?
4) A week before you do the actual LONG fast, try to postpone your first meal. So if you usually it at 10am, then on Monday try to eat it at 11am, Tuesday on 12pm, Wednesday 1pm and so on. That way, you are already trying to get used to the feeling of hunger. On a daily basis one hour won't do you harm, but after 7 days you eat your first meal 7hrs later, so on next Monday you don't feel as tired as you would be without postponing the meals.
5) We all know that you are not any happy at the begining of your fast so I found THE way how to beat that feeling. Before you go to bed, put a notebook next to your bed. Next day, straight after you wake up take the notebook (you cannot stand up from the bed, you have to be in bed until you are finished with writing) and write what you appreciate in your life (no matter how small, big or silly it is). Appreciating what you have, puts you in a good mood because you are happy that you already have these things in your life that you write down. You don't have to work for them - you already got them.
6) Visualizing is the big deal here. Everytime you feel mental hunger (you miss food), close your eyes and imagine your head has a lid at the top of your head. You can lift up that lid and visualize the thought of food as they fly out of your head and you instantly forget them. Close the lid. After the lid 'lays' on your head no thoughts can escape, but when you lift it anythign that you wish, can escape.
7) Don't think about it. I know this sounds really silly. I've talked to my friend yesterday and I said I need to sort out few things in my life. He said that the best thing to deal with them is not to think about them and they will go on themselves without our participation. It's exactly the same thing with fasting. People feel urge to write a dairy and any symptoms, but when you do that you are focusing on remembering what to put into the diary and therefore the fasting becomes a 'torment'. Just focus on your life, your work that you have to do and if there's nothing to do, then meditate.
8) Meditation. It's quite easy. If you want to heal yourself with thoughts, close your eyes and think about each organ in your body e.g. I have heart. My heart is here (go with your thoughts to the place where you have your hear). My heart is strong. My heart is pure. My heart is young. I have liver. My liver is here... And so on. You can think about anything from the strenght of your hair to the beautiful skin or wonderful kidneys. Just give your body some attention and love.
9) Every time you feel like you are going to fail record a short film with yourself. Say how you feel, what are your hopes and that your body is clearing out of toxins. Then watch the video back. How do you feel about that person? Would you want her to give up? Do you believe in her?
10) Volounteering is the best thing to do while fasting. Why? Well, feeling that you are needed you are doing something good that makes someone happy makes you feel happier by billions times. Anyway, it's better to do something useful rather than just waste the time that you would usually spend on eating. That way you don't waste time and do something that makes you feel better.

I hope you find out this helpful.

Lots of love,
Yola :kiss:
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15 Nov 2012 22:07 #13756 by Lisafast
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Yola, thanks for writing your list. I'm struggling on day 2 of my dry fast and reading your words was so helpful to me. I'm not hungry. I'm not thirsty. But still, I'm thinking about all kinds of things I could eat or drink. I'm also feeling moody and blue. And then I got on here and saw all your tips, I feel strengthened. Thanks again!:)

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15 Nov 2012 23:37 #13758 by Shant
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Yola, excellent points! Volunteering and not thinking about fasting - I'm practicing both :). And sometimes when i think of the fact that im fasting i do my best to think of it as a pleasant experience. Like, what i could have today i can always have another day.. And by that I know that I'm getting stronger, better, in control, and simply moving forward instead of backwards. I also have a lil notebook next to my bed and split my big goal into small steps.. :)

Re water and hunger. At this point of time I can't agree more. I used to drink a lot of water when I was fasting regardless of what I read on FC. I guess everyone needs to go through it themselves and see what needs to be done. Step by step.

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05 Feb 2013 21:47 #15242 by blackout
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Hungry Caveman wrote: These are some of my results after 30 days of pure water fasting:

Glucose serum went from 92 mg/dl to 73 mg/dl NORMAL
Normal is 65 to 99 and diabetic would be about 120 or higher.

Sodium Serum went from 137 mmol/L to 137 mmol/L unchanged NORMAL
135 to 145 is normal

Potassium serum went from 4.0 mmol/L to 3.2 mmol/L SLIGHTLY LOW
3.5 to 5.2 is normal

Chloride serum went from 104 mmol/L to 99 mmol/L NORMAL
97 to 108 is normal

Calcium serum went from 9.5 mg/dl to 9.1 mg/dl NORMAL
8.6 to 10.2 is normal

Protein Serum went from 6.8 g/dl to 6.6 g/dl NORMAL
6.0 to 8.5 is normal

LIPIDS

Total Cholesterol went from 263 to 185 NORMAL
100 -199 is normal

Triglycerides went from 307 to159 SLIGHTLY HIGH
1-149 is normal

HDL “GOOD” Cholesterol went from 45 mg/dl to 43 mg/dl NORMAL
Normal is anything greater than 39

VLDL Cholesterol went from 61 mg/dl to 32 mg/dl NORMAL
Normal is 5 – 40

LDL “BAD” Cholesterol went from157 mg/dl to 110 mg/dl SLIGHTLY HIGH
Normal is 0-99


Hi Hungry Caveman,

Your post is really interesting!
Could you tell me how much water you drank per day roughly, for the 30 days ?
And also what type of water was it? distilled, tap, bottled, etc

many thanks

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05 Feb 2013 23:26 #15243 by david
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Hello blackout you may wish to post this on The Fast Doctor's board too as he may have some useful comments.

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06 Feb 2013 07:36 - 06 Feb 2013 07:39 #15251 by david
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Greetings Blackout. That is an appropriate name for a long distance faster LOL.

The article you quote is not my most popular or widely read, but I consider it arguably my best.

Those numbers are irrefutable evidence of what really goes on “under the hood” when we fast. 30 days can turn your life around and not hurt you one bit.

If you want to forget about doctors, cure disease, reverse aging and attain incredible health then start fasting. That is what those numbers say.

As for the water I drink while fasting. I must tell you I am not a purist and I think it is far more important not to eat than to worry too much about the liquid you drink. I drink water from the tap and also indulge in drinking zero calorie green tea. However, we do have very good tap water. It comes untreated and unfiltered from the bottom of Lake Tahoe and nothing is added to it. But I also drink it “on the rocks” and so I am not sure of the origins of the ice water.

As for how much I drink I drink when I am thirsty and do not force water upon myself if I do not feel like it. Having said that I admit I get a little dehydrated when I fast. My lips tend to get a little dry and I have to carry Chap Stick around with me and avoid the temptation of eating the cherry flavor that I use!

For the people on this site that may have wondered what happened to me rest assured I have not fasted myself into the great beyond. I have been busy teaching myself WordPress and all the vagaries of search engine optimisation and have converted or am in the process converting three web sites.

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06 Feb 2013 15:10 #15259 by Hungry Caveman
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Testing to see if I am still "forbidden"
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06 Feb 2013 16:02 #15261 by david
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just a test

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06 Feb 2013 17:39 - 06 Feb 2013 17:39 #15265 by Ockeghem
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Hungry Caveman wrote: Testing to see if I am still "forbidden"
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Nice to see you! As far as I know, you are forbidden only to fast for more than 47.5 consecutive days. ;)

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18 Feb 2013 22:02 #15419 by blackout
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David wrote: Greetings Blackout. That is an appropriate name for a long distance faster LOL.

The article you quote is not my most popular or widely read, but I consider it arguably my best.

Those numbers are irrefutable evidence of what really goes on “under the hood” when we fast. 30 days can turn your life around and not hurt you one bit.

If you want to forget about doctors, cure disease, reverse aging and attain incredible health then start fasting. That is what those numbers say.

As for the water I drink while fasting. I must tell you I am not a purist and I think it is far more important not to eat than to worry too much about the liquid you drink. I drink water from the tap and also indulge in drinking zero calorie green tea. However, we do have very good tap water. It comes untreated and unfiltered from the bottom of Lake Tahoe and nothing is added to it. But I also drink it “on the rocks” and so I am not sure of the origins of the ice water.

As for how much I drink I drink when I am thirsty and do not force water upon myself if I do not feel like it. Having said that I admit I get a little dehydrated when I fast. My lips tend to get a little dry and I have to carry Chap Stick around with me and avoid the temptation of eating the cherry flavor that I use!

For the people on this site that may have wondered what happened to me rest assured I have not fasted myself into the great beyond. I have been busy teaching myself WordPress and all the vagaries of search engine optimisation and have converted or am in the process converting three web sites.

Hungry Caveman


Hi David, thankyou for replying to me so quickly, sorry I did not get a notification and forgot i asked you a question until i checked just now.

I am an experienced dry faster and I requested the sub-forum on curezone to be setup so i could discuss it further. My username on there is hghbuzz and I posted my observations on water while fasting recently here .

that was why I was surprised by your blood tests as most water fasters drink distilled water. I think maybe the fact that you drank normal water was why the blood tests were positive, had you been drinking distilled they could have come back with a negative outlook.

I tried distilled water fasting and did not like it, so I now only dry fast and I have had very good results with it with no real downsides, although I have had to learn a lot so my technique has changed a lot and is now much safer.

I am a bit concerned about your tap water, I too drink tap water because it comes processed from the water board and has to pass all the quality tests, apparently no bottled water can pass those tests so tap water is the healthiest water, but yours comes from the bottom of a lake, so is not as safe as my tap water but maybe you have more info.

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