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21 Nov 2012 21:28 #13820 by coolemausis
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Hello

Ive been bothered with stomachpain my whole life, im 26 now, and ive finally found out whats causing it - some sort of bacterial infection/candida. I set out this last friday to fix it by doing a waterfast but realised yesterday that a waterfast doesnt seem to be enough so i decided to dryfast.

Im currently one day into a dryfast of unknown length and this is very scary for me. Ive red alot about dryfasting but i really need a good plan so i can carry this out whithout harming myself. So i belive this is some sort of infection and i also believe that the mucosal lining of my stomach and maybe intestines as well is harmed. So how long do i need to carry this out in order to be sucessfull and what can i do during the day in order to not dehydrate myslef too much? It seems very dangerous to me but i dont see any other way out of my hellish nightmare but im really scared at the same time

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22 Nov 2012 08:47 #13822 by david
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Hello coolemausis I have asked the Doctor to comment on your post as normally he responds to posts which are on his board. My own take is that you would benefit more from regular 2-3 day dry fasts than one lengthy unsupervised dry fast reason being that it is difficult to assess when your body is getting dehydrated. Do let us know if dry fasting has benefitted you in the way you wanted.

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22 Nov 2012 09:58 #13823 by TheFastDoctor
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Dear Collemausis, welcome indeed to these forums, I do hope we'll be of meaningful help.

Poor old Candica Albicans has been made a scapegoat for all and sundry even though in the vast majority of cases it is only an opportunist, growing where the damage has been done by something else.

If you are not used to fasting and don't have experienced supervision it is likely best to do a few shorter fasts first- say 3 to 5 days at a time - to see how you respond. This also gradually helps your body make the necessary enzymes to see you through a longer fast.

The mucosal lining of the stomach can replace itself in 3 days under some conditions but during a fast it may decide to do a more "in depth" replacement so please don't eat before your body "asks" you to. But also don't refuse your body's request.

Always bear in mind fasting only MOBILIZE toxins, you also have to ELIMINATE them... do read a bit about the elimination activities please.

Let's take this day by day, keep us posted and we'll try our level best to help.

André

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22 Nov 2012 18:24 #13825 by coolemausis
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Hi Andre and David

Thanks for your quick response, it feels more safe now that i know i can communicate with someone who knows his way aroud this. I have to say this thou - i dont feel that my body hasany margin to try out a coupple of shorter fast. My skin is so saturated with toxins that when i eat anything at all i get heavy painful itching, mostly on my neck and upper torso. I do want this to go away once and for all

But u say shorter fasts of 3-5 days. is that short and wouldnt 5 days be enough to kill off an infection? It would feel very daunting to go without water for longer than 5 days.

I believe i have this infection because i was born with scoliosis and the nerve to my stomach jammed causing my stomach to not work so in order to digest any food i needed help from bacteria...

Is it safe to move around much when dryfasting? Ive red your five step program but all i feel like doing at the moment is lying down and rest. Should i force myself to do some activity? This morning i felt i had to get up because i felt overloaded in some way, almost like drunk. Could that have been toxins?

Its closing in on two days now and i start to get this feeling of sickness, fever maybe? but it actually feel good

Again, thaanks for your help

Kim

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22 Nov 2012 18:59 #13826 by TheFastDoctor
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Dear Coolemausis, when we aim for detoxification, the function of fasting is to get the toxins released from the deeper tissues so that they can reach the skin for elimination. Thus, if the toxins are already in the skin, the elimination cycles are more important than the fasting.

Dry fasting serves primarily to force the body to break down more fat in order to produce water. This way the toxins are released even faster. Then it becomes even more important to eliminate them. Thus dry fasting should be reserved for experienced fasters and preferably under supervision. Having water will help enable you to do more elimination cycles, which will have more benefits than the dry fast in isolation.

If it "actually feels good" your body is likely winning the battle. But please don't take any chances. If you do shorter fasts, you can always do another one..

André

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23 Nov 2012 01:11 #13829 by coolemausis
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Hi Andre

I couldnt sleep and felt i had to do something so did some strengthtraining and some shorter sprints and now i feel nauseous.... But still i felt this movement was necesary.

I cant do waterfasting. Ive tried before and it seems that the water keeps the bacteria in my stomach alive and it also seems that the water itself irritates my stomach since my mucosal liningis is irritated. Again this is how it feels anyway. I get this inflammatory response when i drink even water, a fast throbbing pulse in the left side of my head...

So again i believe i have to dryfast in order for my mucosal lining to repair and if i detox as well during that time thats great but its of secondary importance to me. Will doing eliminaton cykles speed up the healing of my body? Is there any way of knowing when the mucosal lining is healed?

Kim

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23 Nov 2012 10:06 #13830 by TheFastDoctor
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Bear in mind, dear coolemausis, whatever water you drink is simply added to what is in your body and what is made metabolically. It's a bit like adding a bucket of water to a swimming pool. The fact that you drink it makes no difference relative to when you produce it inside.. it ends up in the same place.

You'll know that the lining is repaired when your body gives you the hunger feedback: A PERSISTENT desire for ONE, NATURAL food, without this desire having been triggered by outside factors such as pictures, smells or discussion. That indicates that your body has completed its "audit" and knows what it needs, plus that your digestive system (including the mouth with its mucous membranes) are capable of dealing with it.

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23 Nov 2012 12:13 #13831 by coolemausis
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Two questions for you: how long can bacteria /fungi/ viruses survive without water? this is starting to get very tedious, all i think of is water and juicy sweet fruit... and i cant sleep it off either so really want it to be over.

And then i dont understand what you mean by adding water by a bucket to a swimmingpool? How does it relate to my condition and what is the place it would end up in? Dont you really need to drink during any fast?

And thanks for the info on the mucosal lining, its very valuable to me

Kim

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24 Nov 2012 01:56 #13835 by coolemausis
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Its now been three days and some hours and im feeling quite ok but weak. I keep getting a strong urge that i should vomit and ive been feeling nauseous from time to time but not at the moment thou. Somehow it feels like a solution to my problems.

Ive been getting a slight pain from what i belive are my kidneys since a cupple of hours back. I dont know if this should worry me or not thou since it is bearable. Ive also flushed my mouth with liters of ice cold water to numb my head and get a sensation of hydration.

How do i know when to start drinking again? It feels like there is a lid on my stomach not allowing anything down there. This feeling has lessend somewhat since the start of my fast but i really hope it would disappear soon.

Hoping to vomit soon

Kim

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24 Nov 2012 09:21 #13838 by TheFastDoctor
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Some bacteria, dear coolemausis, lives in solid rock without water at temperatures beyond the boiling point of water... deep in the mantle of the earth.

There's about 40 litres of water in a typical human body. Thus if you drink a glass of say 200 ml, you simply add only half a percent of water to what's already in your body. Can hardly make a difference now can it?

Many of us do fast "dry" after many years of regular cleansing but I don't recommend it as a general approach.

Your body will typically tell you when to drink. Have a tiny sip from time to time and see how your body reacts.

Vomiting is OK early in the fast when there's still something in your stomach but a few days down the line it's better to let the toxins go out the bottom way.. you can for example consider flushing your intestine with a macrogol if you really feel the need... look for the posts on this topic.

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24 Nov 2012 09:41 #13839 by whimsofthewinds
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Hey Doc,

I've heard you you mention macrogol once before.....I have wanted to try some but could you point me in the right direction of where I can find some because I can't seem too.

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24 Nov 2012 10:12 #13840 by TheFastDoctor
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These things are typically sold in pharmacies. A good pharmacist will be able to help you. Some international names includes Klean-Prep and Movicol. Although they are not 100% natural, at least they never get absorbed into the body but passes straight through the gut.

I sometimes sweeten them with Lactulose, a sugar that can also not be absorbed. This feeds the gut bacteria so they multiply and thus further soften the gut content.

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24 Nov 2012 12:47 #13841 by coolemausis
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Hi Andre

I dont understand this. I accidentally swallowed some water and i had a small ammount of peppermintoil in it which may have followed down as well. I felt some disturbance that continue to mount in me and i decided to drink some more water. I didnt feel good at all and it felt like i was attacking my body. If im guessing i think that my mucosal lining is badly damaged still. The pain that i was feeling at the beginning of my dry fast has ceased thou but i still cant think of eating at all. But its so frustrating not beeing able to drink

The reason i asked about the bacteria is that ive red on numerous places that bacteria cant survive whithout water and if u have them in you dry fasting would be a good idea

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25 Nov 2012 09:13 #13847 by TheFastDoctor
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You can also not survive without water dear collemausis.. thus there's PLENTY of water available in you for bacteria... whether you have had any to drink in the past month or not. Dry fasting makes practically NO difference to the amount of water in your blood, intercellular fluid and in the cells.. if you dehydrate by 5% you'll be quite ill!

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25 Nov 2012 12:16 #13849 by david
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I didnt feel good at all and it felt like i was attacking my body.


Can you be more specific. Was the sensation caused when the water entered your stomach or small intestines? Would you be able to tell the difference? Perhaps it is the stomach which is the cause? The way you describe badly damaging the mucosal lining sounds like it is non reversible however the gut lining is constantly changing depending on type of food we eat, whether or not we use colonic irrigation, medical drugs, periods of fasting. So I wouldn't be too concerned about that. However we did have a member who performed daily colonics and she was constantly constipated because of this. I would be more concerned about building up the right kind of gut flora and there are tried and tested methods for achieving this especially after a short or long fast. I do recall a time when I was also having trouble drinking water but I don't recall which part of my digestive anatomy caused this. :)

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25 Nov 2012 18:17 - 25 Nov 2012 18:19 #13854 by david
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I was researching brain fog today and ended up looking more closely at one of the main causes of brain fog which is caused by the build up of ammonia in the brain as a toxin which passes the blood brain barrier and also a by product of neuronal metabolism. The excess of ammonia is also caused by a liver disfunction and leaky gut syndrome according to the articles I have read. L Glutamine which has previously been discussed on the forum and Butyrate are said to improve brain fog but also improve colon health.

Link to Butyrate: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butyrate
www.nleducation.co.uk/resources/reviews/...roves-bowel-transit/

and link to a scientific article "
The Detoxx System: Detoxification of Biotoxins in Chronic Neurotoxic Syndromes"
www.ei-resource.org/articles/general-env...eurotoxic-syndromes/

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28 Nov 2012 12:39 #13925 by coolemausis
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Hi again

The pain i felt "attacking my body" was when the water entered my stomach. Right now i feel so stupid that i didnt listen because guess where i am now - the hospital. Cause: dehydration.

In here i tried to add salt to my drinkingwater and that feels really good. it seems that the salt was missing from the water in order for my body to able to take it up. Now i need ur help so dont make anymore mistakes. They cant heal me here, i need to do some sort of fast. any medication the doctor i have give me makes me feel ill and give e dry skin and eczema. but im essentially stuck here since i cant eat unless i can figure out how to do this right and dont get myself in the ER again.

They have however found that i have oral/esophargal thrush. Ive reaserched salt and trush amongst other things and saltwater alone seems to kill it. Maybe i saltwterfast would do it? They also found an inflammation in my stomach and i directly make the connection - the thrush is inflaming my stomach. stomachpain could also be caused by dehydration s it seems.

Do you think this is solvable with a saltwaterfast? Should i add anything else? Thinking mainly of coconutwater for the other electrolytes. Anything with suger is off the chart atm.

david: what is neuronal metabolis? and why liverfunction only? ill say kidneyfunction as well because they hold responsibl for expelling crap, and if they for one reason or another are overloaded the toxins must go somewhere and the brain could be such a place. temporary storage until space is freed up in the kidneys.

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28 Nov 2012 21:49 - 28 Nov 2012 21:51 #13934 by coolemausis
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one more thing i came to think about - how does dehydration affect the immunesystem? and ho does fastin itself affect the immunesystem?

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29 Nov 2012 13:42 #13947 by lucikam
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Hi!

How are you feeling? I hope you are getting bettter.

For how long have you been into the dryfast before you got to hospital?

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05 Dec 2012 12:11 #14086 by coolemausis
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Right now im back to where i started almost. My body has healed somewhat due to me staying at the hospital. But, back to stoamchpain that wont go aaway...

It took me sex days to get me totally dehydrated after three days i had 1 dl of water but other than that nothing. my kidneys suffered from this and i developed electrolyte imbalances and got deilusional. Never again

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