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The science of dry fasting

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05 May 2014 21:52 #21609 by Ezo
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I experienced several water sessions and intermittent water fasting. So far, I am skeptical to the dry alternative. However, this will fit better to me because I am very thin and very long water sessions (several weeks) are difficult to accomplish due to many reasons like family, work etc.

I am searching for a book where the processes occurring during dry fasting are explained in details. Biochemistry, phases, how the toxins get out without carrying agent, why the ketosis is quicker, why this method is better than water fasting and so on. I do not look for personal opinions, but for results of experiments or tests.

I found "Dry medical Fasting - Myths and Reality" wrote by Sergei Ivanovich Filonov. This guy says that

"Something that may not be very well known is that when we fast our body creates water primarily as a byproduct of the fat we are burning. Hydrogen released from the metabolized fat combines with oxygen from air and creates h2o and according to Dr. Filonov, this water is exceedingly, exceedingly pure. I believe i read in Filonov's book that we create about 1 or 1.2 liter of this "metabolic" water each day while fasting."

It's kind of hard to believe it and... I did not find it in Filonov's book (automatically translated in English). Maybe he wrote it elsewhere.

Thanks in advance for replies.

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06 May 2014 07:10 #21615 by david
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Welcome to the board Ezo. Very interesting post. The Doctor does mention that fat turns to water as well as ketones but has not explained it in andy depth but I do think he has the knowledge to do so. As for books I don't know of one except for Filonov's book. The Doctor is away for a couple of weeks and I will bring this post to his attention on his return perhaps he can enlighten you further.

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06 May 2014 13:26 - 06 May 2014 13:33 #21616 by paullikethesaint
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Good post, I'll be waiting to read the Doctor's response as well. I switched to a short (36-40 hours) weekly dry fast because, like yourself, my body type and lifestyle make doing longer water fasts impractical. I use light exercise and passive sweating to help detox while on a dry fast. I've also found that the body does a decent job of excreting toxins through urine and stool as well (won't go into details here). So, anecdotally speaking of course, I've found that a short dry fast done on a weekly basis works well versus the longer water fasts that I've done.

I've not found much literature on the subject other than Filonov's stuff so if you do find some PLEASE post it here!

Again, thanks for the post, I look forward to the response Dr K.

Paul

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19 May 2014 14:19 #21683 by TheFastDoctor
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Indeed Ezo, human fat is saturated fat. Saturated with Hydrogen. For every carbon in the fat chain there's about 2 hydrogen atoms. These combine with the oxygen you breathe to form water. I have actually observed one patient gain weight during a dry fast.. because he was dehydrated and produced water from the fat: 2 grams of Hydrogen plus 16 grams of Oxygen gives you 18 grams of water. Thus Filonov is right. Under some circumstances we can make a lot more water than 1.2 liters.. from fat and from carbohydrates.

But water is water. H2O. Whether you drank it or made it metabolically, it remains one oxygen and two protons (hydrogen ions). There's NO difference in the water you drank, ingested as part of your food, inhaled in moist air or made out of your metabolic activities. Sure there's some other things coming with the water if you drink or eat it, but once in your body all water molecules are identical.

Dry fasting can theoretically stimulate more fat breakdown as the body needs the water... which is why I dissuade novice fasters from dry fasting. Breaking down fat more than what you need for energy could release too many toxins for your system to cope with.

André

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