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09 Jul 2011 19:42 - 09 Jul 2011 19:46 #8287 by borota
borota replied the topic: Re: DRY FASTING VS WATER FASTING
Well, my point I think still stands to a certain extent, that is not "correct" to compare beginning of fast period with days following. From what I read/experienced usually the body slows down the metabolism when it sees food is no longer coming for a good number of days.

Your subsequent post makes things clear and is more "correct" because you put side by side the same periods of the fast. And then your point is well proven. I never lost about 20 pounds in weight on water fast during first week.

By the way, in my case I do feel colder for same outside weather temperatures that before would be perceived as normal, after about 1 week in the fast. But it looks like not everybody is the same. :-)

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10 Jul 2011 08:27 - 10 Jul 2011 08:27 #8296 by Yuliya
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borota wrote: By the way, in my case I do feel colder for same outside weather temperatures that before would be perceived as normal, after about 1 week in the fast. But it looks like not everybody is the same. :-)


I am not an expert, but I remember reading somewhere that during dry fasting the body temperature can actually rise even to the point of a fever. I am sure Milena can provide more detailed explanation of this phenomenon.

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10 Jul 2011 12:57 #8300 by superhuman
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That is true because toxins get burned inside the cells. So its the same thing that happends when you get a fever, to burn toxins off

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10 Jul 2011 19:10 #8303 by TheFastDoctor
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Problem is, once the toxins are "burned" in the cells, what happens to the waste that this leaves? Sometimes this is toxic per se also.. That is what we focus on elimination activities during a fast. In performing these, we need inter alia to sweat quite a lot, which is one reason and circumstance why I recommend water ad lib.

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10 Jul 2011 19:34 #8305 by borota
borota replied the topic: Re: DRY FASTING VS WATER FASTING
Dr. Kruger,
Do you have examples of how people were helped by your sort of peculiar approach to fasting? Does your book go into more detail on this?

Forgive me for saying "peculiar" but everything I read now suggests as much rest as possible. And they even warn against much physical activity.

Although any fast I undertook in the past I never rested, I went on with my normal life, even climb up mountains with my family while I was on the 13th day of my second 14 days fast. The other 14 days fast I took I was in college taking a few exams, and surprisingly I did extremely well, better than when eating. I got maximum grades. For that one too, my dorm was up on a hill, and the University downhill, so I would do quite some exercising there. So I suspect before I was eliminating toxins naturally by sweating from the normal regular activity.

Now I already started another water fast, 1 day into it. But now I plan to rest much, but if I am fully persuaded about the benefits of your protocol I'll do it.

Any other people on this site can attest to the benefits of it? What I've read randomly here was not encouraging, I read about some girl here who, by fasting and exercising, got her electrolytes dangerously low, and she had to stop the fast.

My objective is not only detox, but also pursing the spiritual benefits of the fast, which in my case start to show up after a few good days into it. That is, I don’t want to be forced to stop the fast too early because I exercised too much.

Thank you,
Greg

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11 Jul 2011 00:05 #8311 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re: DRY FASTING VS WATER FASTING
In deed I did explain the rationale of the active fast in "Health Won" dear Greg. It came after a few years of hands-on experience which included a few rather serious complications. Since implementation we have not had any meaningful fasting associated complications in over 10 thousand fasting patients.

The passive approach in my experience has a few benefits but only for select patients. Overall, it is more dangerous than the active fast, partly because it "signals" to the body that the muscles are not used and can therefore be used as fuel. Passively fasting people tend to lose muscle whereas in the active approach a large series of patients on whom we die somatometric measurements actually gained muscle.

Be careful however not to exercise "too much".. let your biofeecback guide you. And try to always complete the 5 steps cycle each time you do exercise.

André

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11 Jul 2011 00:36 #8312 by cory
cory replied the topic: Re: DRY FASTING VS WATER FASTING
I have always preferred being active during my fasts, I couldn't some days on my long fast I did earlier in the year but went of my own bio feedback, but recently I have gone a whole week without food and water while continuing my normal exercising without any problems but I believe you do need to build up to it.

I think after a while your energy while fasting isn't much different from your everyday energy, your body just have to get used to it sometimes you can even have more as your body isn't using any for digestion.

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11 Jul 2011 01:41 #8313 by borota
borota replied the topic: Re: DRY FASTING VS WATER FASTING
Thank you Fast Doctor and cory.

Cory, when I have read about you going on with your regular exercising while fasting, I was tempted to think you were bluffing (forgive me for that).

But if I am to relate back to my own experience, I was energetic and with a very quick mind after the first week has passed. I even behaved better going up the mountain than some of my own brothers who have not been fasting. They could hardly believe it.

I think I finally get it why fasting has become so hard a couple of times I tried in the last years. It was not the change in diet, but rather resting too much. I am now close to 2 days and I no longer have those aches all over my body or in my limbs. Most probably because I've been active around the house playing with my daughter, gardening and also resting. Not only resting like before :-).

So good to have you guys around, thank you! I'll be buying me that ebook next to learn more about the detox cycle and use it.

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11 Jul 2011 06:08 - 11 Jul 2011 06:15 #8317 by borota
borota replied the topic: Re: DRY FASTING VS WATER FASTING
So just to make things clear about my climbing up on the mountains on the 13th day of water fast more than 10 year ago.

I just wanted to make the point that I had the energy to do it, not that it was the right thing to do. At the time I had very little information about fasting.

Now I would certainly not do that again. But it still looks like one needs to be active during fasting otherwise it's harder than it is supposed to be.

I just came out of 40 minutes cool evening walk and during walking I completely forgot I was even fasting, I felt as good and energetic as one can feel. Also no pain in my legs or anywhere else.

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11 Jul 2011 07:18 #8318 by Esmée La Fleur
Esmée La Fleur replied the topic: Re: DRY FASTING VS WATER FASTING

borota wrote: I just came out of 40 minutes cool evening walk and during walking I completely forgot I was even fasting, I felt as good and energetic as one can feel. Also no pain in my legs or anywhere else.


We would love it if you would blog about your experience in the Blog section on this site. That will make it easier for us to encourage and support you.

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11 Jul 2011 22:44 #8331 by borota
borota replied the topic: Re: DRY FASTING VS WATER FASTING
Hi Esmée,

Being more of a math guy, it might end up being pretty "dry". I am more into quantifying things, numbers, etc. As such I am thinking to rather give a summary at the end or maybe once in a while.

I find Dr Fast's book incredible, revolutionary almost. Maybe the only reason is not a world wide best seller is that it probably needs more marketing.

I am on a 3rd day now and all I can say is I feel excellent as long as I don't rest too much :-) Although I do rest too. Up to now it has been the best fasting experience ever.

Greg

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11 Jul 2011 23:41 #8334 by Esmée La Fleur
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borota wrote: Hi Esmée,

Being more of a math guy, it might end up being pretty "dry". I am more into quantifying things, numbers, etc. As such I am thinking to rather give a summary at the end or maybe once in a while.

I find Dr Fast's book incredible, revolutionary almost. Maybe the only reason is not a world wide best seller is that it probably needs more marketing.

I am on a 3rd day now and all I can say is I feel excellent as long as I don't rest too much :-) Although I do rest too. Up to now it has been the best fasting experience ever.

Greg


I am glad you are having such a great experience with this fast. Whatever info you can share, as you go along or at the end, will be most appreciated. Are you referring to the book "Health Won" that you are enjoying so much? I have not read it yet, but it sounds like I should.

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12 Jul 2011 00:36 #8335 by borota
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Yes Esmée, Health Won is the book.
Does he have other books too?

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12 Jul 2011 00:46 - 12 Jul 2011 00:49 #8336 by jassyssecret
jassyssecret replied the topic: Re: DRY FASTING VS WATER FASTING
I really don't think you insulted anybody Milenna. You spoke your mind and shared your experience, last time I checked everyone has freedom of speech. It is not your fault someone or some people are oversensitive to every little thing. I like to read about your experiences! I have been able to complete a three day dry fast a few weeks ago and now attempting a longer one.keep on supporting others and sharing your experience.Thanks Milenna.

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12 Jul 2011 00:57 - 12 Jul 2011 01:00 #8337 by david
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I find Dr Fast's book incredible, revolutionary almost. Maybe the only reason is not a world wide best seller is that it probably needs more marketing.


Health Won by Dr Andre Kruger aka The Fast Doctor

Great comment Borota, I was going to ask you your opinion. Do you mind if I quote you with such an upbeat comment it will help boost sales.

Actually if you would be willing to write a short review I can add it to the book's description and it will be valuable to other potential buyers especially as it will be a genuine review.

He has not written any other books as far as I know but he has many in the pipeline.

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12 Jul 2011 01:05 #8338 by Milena
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borota wrote: By the way, in my case I do feel colder for same outside weather temperatures that before would be perceived as normal, after about 1 week in the fast.


Long dry fasts change the body's relationship to cold or cool environments. In fact, people report desire to be in cold air and many note experincing internal heat even though their body temperature in most cases remain normal. Personally I never experienced internal fever or heat, but I was able to take a nice long dip in the waterfall in March on my 9th day of dry fast, all while people who were watching me wore sweaters and jackets.

May the Energy you free from digesting serves your Body and Spirit well!

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12 Jul 2011 01:22 #8339 by Milena
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jassyssecret wrote: I really don't think you insulted anybody Milenna. You spoke your mind and shared your experience, last time I checked everyone has freedom of speech. It is not your fault someone or some people are oversensitive to every little thing. I like to read about your experiences! I have been able to complete a three day dry fast a few weeks ago and now attempting a longer one.keep on supporting others and sharing your experience.Thanks Milenna.


Thank you jessyssecret,

It was certainly not my intent to insult anyone.

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12 Jul 2011 02:32 - 12 Jul 2011 02:41 #8340 by carolineq
carolineq replied the topic: Re: DRY FASTING VS WATER FASTING
Please, my friends, remind me of the benefits of a dry fast over a wet one.

The claim has been made about dry fasting 1 day = 3 days of water fasting... Dr. Kruger, do you agree? I only saw that you agreed that 1 day of dry fasting = 3 days of juice fasting.

Why would dry fasting make one's fat metabolize more quickly? And is the rate in weight/fat loss the only bonus with the dry fast? I feel pretty thrilled with the rate of fat loss already with the water fast so I'm cool with not speeding it up further.

On a 8 day active water fast, I can lose like 15 pounds and drop a few pant sizes. Combine that over two months and it's dramatic.

Currently, I am craving sweat cycles - I just want sun and I want to sweat. I thought about getting a gym membership to have access to a sauna. I haven't resumed working out... but this is very interesting... this biofeedback for sweat... I also want sun...

Anything interesting to be said about sun craving?

Thank you

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12 Jul 2011 03:27 #8341 by borota
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Hi David,

Please let me finish it all the way to the end, just so that is an honest comment about all of it, not only what I've read thus far :-).

What I've read resonates very well with my practical experience and puts things very nicely in framework of reference, giving you the WHY things happen the way they do.

I can see the book being the answer many people have been looking for. People who are sick and tired of being sick and want to finally see the mountain of "incurable" disease disappear right before their eyes.

I was out working all day long around the house, it's evening now here - time for the enjoyable reading of rest of Health Won book.

Just gimme some more time the get completely soaked into its content, it's definitely a worthwhile soaking :-)

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12 Jul 2011 14:03 #8344 by TheFastDoctor
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Dear CaarolineQ, I think it is rather un-scientific to equate a certain number of "dry" days to fasting where you listen to your body's need for water only. I have equated 3 days of fruit dieting (such as a juice diet) to a day of fasting (no taste) based on experience, but fasting without water is very unpredictable, as it is very much influenced by climate and activity.

If you crave sweat cycles, you should replace the water that is carried out with the sweat. Sure you can get some of it from breaking down (metabolizing) fat, but if your fat is full of (hydrophobic) toxins, a too rapid breakdown could lead to overwhelming the elimination capacity of the body.

Losing toxins is much more important than just losing weight.

Thank you for the kind words Borota, I do hope it helps you as much as it did and does me.

André

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