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03 Jul 2011 01:45 #8138 by david
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On one level it is illogical to dry fast twice a week rather than water fast twice a week and it has not affected my weight since I started well only by a couple of kg's but the fact that I feel so different towards the end of the 36 hours is what is keeping me motivated. Illogical because it makes sense to irrigate the body with fresh drinking water when one is detoxing from a fast. Presumably the body needs to draw on extra water reserves when fasting and as this extra water is not supplied during a dry fast the body has to tap into the existing reserves. That is why it appears counter intuitive. So I guess this is another question for Dr Filonov. I am sure that at the end of the 12 week trial I will be better placed to know if this method is effective or as effective as water fasting or a 12 week mono diet. What I liked most about my 12 week melon mono diet is that the body always had enough water and I always felt abundantly hydrated. What I wouldn't give to know right now which one of these methods is most effective (for my body)

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03 Jul 2011 02:52 - 03 Jul 2011 02:53 #8140 by superhuman
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The reason i like dry over waterfast is because waterfasting feels like im diluting myself. Dry fast i let the body do everything itself nothing from the outside that is suppose to "help" it :)
Most healing is done when we dont ingest anything like when we sleep, and that is the most natural and respons best to me :) i actually dont like water fasting anymore :p

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03 Jul 2011 08:18 #8145 by Esmée La Fleur
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David wrote: On one level it is illogical to dry fast twice a week rather than water fast twice a week and it has not affected my weight since I started well only by a couple of kg's but the fact that I feel so different towards the end of the 36 hours is what is keeping me motivated. Illogical because it makes sense to irrigate the body with fresh drinking water when one is detoxing from a fast. Presumably the body needs to draw on extra water reserves when fasting and as this extra water is not supplied during a dry fast the body has to tap into the existing reserves. That is why it appears counter intuitive. So I guess this is another question for Dr Filonov. I am sure that at the end of the 12 week trial I will be better placed to know if this method is effective or as effective as water fasting or a 12 week mono diet. What I liked most about my 12 week melon mono diet is that the body always had enough water and I always felt abundantly hydrated. What I wouldn't give to know right now which one of these methods is most effective (for my body)


My understanding is that because the body has to "create" its own water from what already exists within the cells many toxins get liberated that would otherwise remain comfortably secluded in their hiding place. It is believed that a substance called deuterium ( also known as "dead water") which is present in small amounts in water gradually accumulates in our cells and gets stuck there and causes health problems. Dry fasting apparently gets the deuterium out of our body much more effectively than water fasting.

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03 Jul 2011 10:39 #8148 by david
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Esmee I knew there was a really good reason to have you on the team :) you just made me feel a whole lot better about my routine

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06 Jul 2011 23:03 #8209 by KelC
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Hi Milena.

I want to thank you for so much of the information and experience you provide. I've been reading and lurking here for awhile now. I am am experienced faster, however only about 6 months into dry fasting. Honestly- my body feels so much better without anything going in. It is amazing how good it feels for the body to be in rest.

I have a couple of questions: What is the best way that Dr. Filonov suggests for losing weight? Or losing weight quickly? Fasting, if done correctly and re-fed correctly, offers the best way to lose weight IMO. I briefly read somewhere where you had mentioned 7 days dry, 7 days re-feeding, etc as good for losing weight. Is this correct? Does he recommend other things in there?

What is the reason someone goes alkaline, instead of acidic, when dry fasting?

If someone has to have surgery, does Dr. Filonov recommend just dry fasting after the surgery or is there a period of time that a person should wait before dry fasting?

Thank you so much!

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06 Jul 2011 23:21 #8210 by Esmée La Fleur
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KelC wrote: What is the reason someone goes alkaline, instead of acidic, when dry fasting?


What makes you think dry fasting causes you to be alkaline? Did you test your urine pH while dry fasting? When I tested mine, it was very acid.

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07 Jul 2011 00:10 #8216 by david
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Esmee I would have thought that the body alkalizes itself quickly during dry fast. The Urine is by default acidic as it contains urea and it would not doubt have marginally lower pH when detoxing during a dry fast. And perhaps one could visualize the excess acidity being purged from the system leaving the body marginally more alkaline in the process? But this is all folklore thinking as I am not trained in bio chemistry.

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07 Jul 2011 00:11 #8217 by KelC
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Hi Esmee.

Yes, I did test. I have an office and a lab myself so I can follow my blood carefully. It's acidic when I water fast. And when things are breaking down in the body we get and need that acidic state, however- I go into a window of alkalosis. By usually day 3 on dry fasting, it turns alkaline for a period of 1-2 days. I was wondering if Dr. Filonov could weigh in on this.

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07 Jul 2011 00:20 #8219 by KelC
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Hi David.

I was wondering if this happened because there was a window in my body that I had a surge in utilizing potassium and sodium - which was abrupt enough to cause this then after the original surge- my body settled down.

My potassium levels are always fine before and after fasting. I was wondering if it was just a quirky metabolic habit in my body or if this has been seen in other people. The days I am alkaline, I feel more tired but then everything quickly normalizes.

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07 Jul 2011 01:17 #8221 by david
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Hello KelC such a privilege to have you here with us and I hope you become a regular. :)

Yes, I did test. I have an office and a lab myself so I can follow my blood carefully. It's acidic when I water fast. And when things are breaking down in the body we get and need that acidic state, however- I go into a window of alkalosis. By usually day 3 on dry fasting, it turns alkaline for a period of 1-2 days. I was wondering if Dr. Filonov could weigh in on this.


It would be very valuable to have more detailed info on your blood analysis. What was your alkaline pH what is your Acidic blood pH? and what do you call normal blood pH range?

The other post where you mention using potassium and sodium what exactly do you mean? Do you take salt and potassium supplements? This would also be a good question to post in the Medical Opinion forum for the Fast Doctor he might be able to shed more light on this phenomenon as he too has a very advanced lab at this fasting retreat in South Africa

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07 Jul 2011 01:50 #8225 by Milena
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KelC wrote: Hi Milena.

I want to thank you for so much of the information and experience you provide. I've been reading and lurking here for awhile now. I am am experienced faster, however only about 6 months into dry fasting. Honestly- my body feels so much better without anything going in. It is amazing how good it feels for the body to be in rest.

I have a couple of questions: What is the best way that Dr. Filonov suggests for losing weight? Or losing weight quickly? Fasting, if done correctly and re-fed correctly, offers the best way to lose weight IMO. I briefly read somewhere where you had mentioned 7 days dry, 7 days re-feeding, etc as good for losing weight. Is this correct? Does he recommend other things in there?

What is the reason someone goes alkaline, instead of acidic, when dry fasting?

If someone has to have surgery, does Dr. Filonov recommend just dry fasting after the surgery or is there a period of time that a person should wait before dry fasting?

Thank you so much!


Dear KelC,

Thank you very much for your questions. Yes, he did recommended for me to dry fast 7 in and 7 out till I would reach my desired weight and stay at it. Of course he would never suggest that to anyone who was inexperienced in dry fasting. Currently one of our members, Cory, it trying this system. I believe he just completed his 2nd consecutive 7-day dry fast. I am looking forward to see what his outcome will be.

From my personal experience I can tell that dry fasting is the quickest way to lose weight. I my 40-day dry/water fast I lost the same amount of weight in 9 days of dry fast as I did in 30 days of water fast. Just to give you an idea.

I will relate your other questions to Dr. Filonov.

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07 Jul 2011 01:54 #8226 by KelC
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Hey David.

Normal blood pH has a small variance and mostly remains very stable. I generally say 7.4 is a good figure for normal blood. If it dips below 7.35- acidic & above 7.45 alkaline.
Slight variances really make big differences in how the body functions.

No- I don't take supplements, either fasting or not. There was a very important thread here talking about potassium while fasting. It was a great thread. Fasting and strict dieting affect these levels. Sodium & potassium and gasses are some of the things that affect pH while fasting. I feel great and fasting doesn't harm me or cause problems. I was just curious if this flux was maybe because of the dumping and then conservation of my natural potassium and sodium that caused the flux. I can test it out when I get back in the USA. I split my time between Central America and Dallas.

Honestly, I've never checked this on anyone else. Since my role in the medical world is stem cells, I was interested in what was happening in my body to see if anything affected that and that's how I stumbled on it all. I just think our bodies are so amazing and interesting.

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07 Jul 2011 01:54 - 07 Jul 2011 01:55 #8227 by Milena
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Thank you everyone for being so patient. During Dr. Filonov's break from his Dry Fast Center we were unable to connect due to the 13 hours difference and other circumstances. He had informed me that he has gone back to the mountains and will return on July 11th. Since there is a significant number of questions for him I plan to translate and email them to him for his response instead of asking him over the phone. It is my hope, that I will be able to start posting his responses by the end of next week.

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07 Jul 2011 02:07 #8228 by Milena
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KelC wrote: Since my role in the medical world is stem cells,

Then you must know what a huge differnce fasting make in the production of stem cells, particularly dry fasting...:)

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07 Jul 2011 02:20 #8229 by david
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According to this Wikepedia article during aerobic and anaerobic activity muscle glycogen can be broken down into water. I would be interested to know if something similar happens while fasting when body fat is broken down and if so what Dr Filonov has to say about how this water affects the dry fasting process.

This quote is taken form Wikepedia on Aerobic versus Anaerobic exercise.

"Initially during increased exertion, muscle glycogen is broken down to produce glucose, which undergoes glycolysis producing pyruvate which then reacts with oxygen (Krebs cycle) to produce carbon dioxide and water and releasing energy. If there is a shortage of oxygen (anaerobic exercise, explosive movements), carbohydrate is consumed more rapidly because the pyruvate ferments into lactate."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobic_exercise

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07 Jul 2011 02:24 #8230 by david
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There is supporting evidence to suggest that by drinking plenty of water can contribute to breaking down body fat. If this is the case then presumably one would lose more weight on a water fast than a dry fast of same duration?

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07 Jul 2011 02:25 #8231 by KelC
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Milena,

I know!!! It's actually how I found out about dry fasting.

Milena wrote:

KelC wrote: Since my role in the medical world is stem cells,

Then you must know what a huge differnce fasting make in the production of stem cells, particularly dry fasting...:)

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07 Jul 2011 02:30 #8232 by david
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Excuse my ignorance but what is the advantage of having an increased production of stem cells? and slightly off topic where are they produced?

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07 Jul 2011 02:57 - 07 Jul 2011 03:05 #8233 by Milena
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David wrote: There is supporting evidence to suggest that by drinking plenty of water can contribute to breaking down body fat. If this is the case then presumably one would lose more weight on a water fast than a dry fast of same duration?


David, the only reason drinking plenty of water contributes to breaking down body fat is because when a person eats food and does not drink emough then liver begins to perform kidneys function thus partially abandoning one of its primarily functions, which is breaking down fat for energy. However, it is only the case when a person eats food! During the dry fast the primary job that is required of the liver is to break down fat for energy and water. Since nothing is consume, including water, kidneys are sleeping and do not need liver's help with anything at all. Hence, there is no faster way to lose fat then dry fasting.

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07 Jul 2011 03:19 #8234 by Milena
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David wrote: Excuse my ignorance but what is the advantage of having an increased production of stem cells? and slightly off topic where are they produced?


David,

This is a great link that covers stem cells stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/

I think KelC can tell us more about how fasting benefits stem cells production, etc. Actually she should probably move create a new topic under Dry Fating Geneneral: Dry Fasting and Stem Cells

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