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07 Jul 2011 04:03 #8235 by david
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However, it is only the case when a person eats food! During the dry fast the primary job that is required of the liver is to break down fat for energy and water.


OK so you agree that when fat is broken down one of the bi products is water can you explain this process in simple terms and also how this water is redistributed during the dry fast?

I read that extra water consumption can speed up the metabolism which in term helps to break down fat.

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07 Jul 2011 07:59 #8237 by Esmée La Fleur
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David wrote: Esmee I would have thought that the body alkalizes itself quickly during dry fast. The Urine is by default acidic as it contains urea and it would not doubt have marginally lower pH when detoxing during a dry fast. And perhaps one could visualize the excess acidity being purged from the system leaving the body marginally more alkaline in the process? But this is all folklore thinking as I am not trained in bio chemistry.


Could be. Interesting thought. I have no idea. So many studies begging to be done...

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07 Jul 2011 08:02 #8238 by Esmée La Fleur
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KelC wrote: Hi Esmee.

Yes, I did test. I have an office and a lab myself so I can follow my blood carefully. It's acidic when I water fast. And when things are breaking down in the body we get and need that acidic state, however- I go into a window of alkalosis. By usually day 3 on dry fasting, it turns alkaline for a period of 1-2 days. I was wondering if Dr. Filonov could weigh in on this.


This is a fascinating observation, KelC. I do hope Dr. Filonov can enlighten us. It is wonderful that you have a lab and can monitor yourself so closely.

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07 Jul 2011 08:03 #8239 by Esmée La Fleur
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KelC wrote: The days I am alkaline, I feel more tired but then everything quickly normalizes.


This is also quite interesting. Thanks for sharing this information.

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07 Jul 2011 17:59 #8245 by KelC
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Milena,

I will move this into a new topic and the more info I have on the SC, the more I can let you all know here. Because this is a huge topic.

I do not want to confuse anyone, so I am going to explain a little about me to avoid confusion. I am not here as an expert- I am here like most of everyone else- to learn from Milena, Dr Filonov and other''s experiences. I will share my experience that I can see in the lab as well. But mostly I'll be learning along with everyone else.

I am not an MD, nor ever represented myself as Dr. Kelly. I am medically trained both in Illinois and in Texas. I did not pursue my accreditation for a number of personal reasons. Maybe outside the US- I will. I dont know if it is needed. I'm happy with my life the way it is. For the past almost 15 years, I have owned and operated a wellness center where I have taught people about their body and how to heal themselves. Fasting was a major part of this.

I also have been involved in stem cell research and finally a few years ago I was able to open my own lab and research center. It is difficult in the USA for such things unless you are under the govt's arm- which I am not. I do not have govt funding. I also am opening a SC clinic in central america. Do I have other doctor affiliations, of course. I have a book that is a joint venture being published by the end of the year. I'm not a fly by night person. I have put in a lot of dedication, time, education, research, and money.

Stem cells led me to Dr. Filonov and his dry fasting. Milena has done an incredible job of relating her experience and she opened a whole new world to me about 6 months ago. I have a lot of respect for her and her knowledge. Dry fasting went against everything I have known or been trained in. I have done some dry fasting and realize how much value there is in that and I am currently looking at the research end of this as far as adult stem cells. Again - adult stem cells acting like embryonic stem cells is against everything I have been taught. This opens a whole new horizon of healing for people. There is coming a time, that I believe, that people will have to rely on their own bodies for healing. This is my interest in dry fasting.

I know I can push myself a little more with dry fasting because I have the means to test whatever needs to be tested, so I do not enter a danger zone.

I had some general questions for Dr. Filonov as a person that is new to dry fasting.

I hope this answers any questions and I am sorry if I caused any of you distress. I am just another board member looking to learn.

Because this is off topic- please do not reply on here. If anyone has more questions, please email me or send me a message. I am getting ready to board a plane back to Dallas right now. Thank you.

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07 Jul 2011 20:42 #8251 by Milena
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David wrote:

However, it is only the case when a person eats food! During the dry fast the primary job that is required of the liver is to break down fat for energy and water.


OK so you agree that when fat is broken down one of the bi products is water can you explain this process in simple terms and also how this water is redistributed during the dry fast?

I read that extra water consumption can speed up the metabolism which in term helps to break down fat.


Of course, fat is one of the sources of hydration for the body on dry fast. Accroding to Dr. Filonov during the dry fast some water comes from fat, some from blood (this is why blood during the dry fast becomes very thick), some from other tissues. Then this water hydrates essential organs to keep the body functioning. During the dry fast all none-essential body functions stop. For instance, in the past 5 month I only trimmed my nails may be 2 times and my hair growth has been very slow (a good way to save on hair cuts...lol), Dr. Filonov explained to me that it's because my body does not see nail and hair growth as significant for my survival.

As for the water consumption to speed up the metabolism, it is extremely insignificant. Here's a an excerpt regarding one of the studies done on this subject:

"Drinking Water Briefly Increases Metabolism

Drinking 500 mL of water (a half-liter or about a pint) increased the study participants' metabolism briefly - for about a half hour. In that time they burned an extra 25 calories. That's about a quarter of a piece of sliced bread, or 5 M&Ms. The researchers theorized that most of the effect comes from warming the water in the stomach. In the male participants the calories came mostly from stored fat, in the women it came from stored carbohydrates. The paper was published in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, December, 2003. It was conducted by researchers in Berlin." Source: walking.about.com/cs/howtoloseweight/a/w...ht/a/water011204.htm

I believe a primary reason people tend to lose weight while drinking more water is because they eat less.

Ultimately, no matter how much a person will drink, even if they don't eat anything at all, as on a water fast, they will not lose up to 20 lbs in 7 days as you can on dry fast, that's a fact. Also, even though you would regain some of that weight, more then half of that lost weight will be preserved. Where is on the water fast the loss will be significantly lower. Never mind all the health benefits that come with a 7-day dry fast.

I hope I answered your questions.

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07 Jul 2011 22:25 #8252 by cory
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Hope that's true for everyone my hair always grows back too fast and thick if it could stay short for longer would add to the bonus of dry fasting.

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07 Jul 2011 22:53 #8253 by Milena
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You can judge it based on the frequency of your haircuts.

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14 Jul 2011 02:51 #8387 by water
water replied the topic: Re: QUESTIONS FOR DR. FILONOV
So grateful for this fasting forum and for those
who post and share:)

I have a question for Dr. Filonov:
I have a neurological issue and wanted to
know exactly how does dry fasting effect
the nervous system. I'm not to sure how I got
this condition as it could be from several reasons.
The tingling is mainly from my waist down and
and is mostly in my legs...calf area. These symptoms
I will say have decreased a little since finishing the fast.
I just completed a 36 hour dry fast and am looking
to do a 72 dry fast starting this weekend followed by
a 4-6 day water fast. After this I'm considering doing
a weekly 36 hour dry fast.

Thanks,
Water

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21 Jul 2011 08:23 #8563 by Milena
Milena replied the topic: Re: QUESTIONS FOR DR. FILONOV
I just spoke to Dr. Filonov. He is traveling again and will be back home on Saturday, July 23rd. We both agreed that the best way to handle all the questions is for me to translate them into Russian and email them so he could answer each question individually. We should have all the answers posted here next week.

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21 Jul 2011 16:05 #8566 by water
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Thank you Milena.

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29 Aug 2011 18:50 #9043 by Nidu
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In case Filonov is still up for taking more questions, Esmée suggested I pose this one here: how frequently should one be urinating during dryfasting, and what amounts (or how often/how much should one excrete in general)? What dangers might a certain frequency/amount indicate?

I started to wonder about this since I'd read over at curezone that Milena considers a severe decrease in frequency of urination to be a red flag. As it happens, during my 46 hour dryfast, I only urinated once during the first day of nothing but dryfasting, and it seemed as if that might've been the case for the second day as well, until, hours later after that one urination, I broke the fast, and started urinating frequently again (as my water-rich diet has me doing). I experienced or noticed nothing else that felt negative or that I interpreted as possibly negative. You can check my blog (the first, and so far only, entry) for a bit more information.

Milena wrote:

KelC wrote: Since my role in the medical world is stem cells,

Then you must know what a huge differnce fasting make in the production of stem cells, particularly dry fasting...:)

It seems KelC has yet to start a separate thread for this topic, and that she hasn't been around for quite some time. However, I'd love to hear more about this! It's probably the most fascinating thing I've read about dryfasting, but pretty much all I've read about it is a Google-translated blurb at www.filonov.net , and that didn't really tell me much. Milena, do you have links to any resources on this, or could you present the key points from what you've gathered?

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30 Aug 2011 20:46 #9062 by Yuliya
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Once I 'get rid' of all the water from fruits that I've eaten I hardly ever urinate during my 36 hour or longer dry fast. Then once I break my fast - I start urinating again. It happened each and every time during my multiple dry fasts and I don't consider it to be a red flag at all. I think it all depends on your diet. On a diet of raw fruits and vegetables, urination seems to stop during dry fasting.

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31 Aug 2011 01:13 #9063 by Nidu
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Yuliya wrote: I think it all depends on your diet. On a diet of raw fruits and vegetables, urination seems to stop during dry fasting.

I was thinking that might be the case for some reason (which would then still be unknown), but then I saw that Esmée, who also classes herself as a fruitarian, has experiences different from ours (as can be read about in her latest dryfasting blog).

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31 Aug 2011 03:19 #9065 by Esmée La Fleur
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I am not strictly raw, but i have been eating a low-fat diet of raw fruits and cooked non-starchy vegetables. So, it is still a very light diet and I cannot imagine that it would be much different than if I was eating all raw, but you never know.

A good friend of mine who completed a 10 dry fast about 1 month before me, who has been 100% low-fat, raw-vegan for over a year had a urination pattern similar to mine throughout his fast.

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31 Aug 2011 03:34 #9068 by Milena
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The amount and number of times one urinates is more connected to how active one's bladder is, the amount of fat one burns, how active one is, whether one sweats or not and the environment one is in. For instance someone who spends time in a cool room will urinate more often then someone who spends a day in a warm room.

I do not believe eating raw or not would make a difference on the frequency of urination. You could have two people eating exact same food and their urination pattern would be different if one has an active bladder or small bladder. It comes down to how long can one hold and still remain comfortable..:)

What you need to be concerned with is changes in urination pattern. For instance if you urinate often and suddenly stop, that would be a red flag.

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01 Sep 2011 03:13 #9076 by Christian144
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Milena,
This my be a dumb question, but I was wondering what one does when dry fasting, and get's strong nausea, to the point of needing to throw up?
Not meaning to be gross, but I finished a 4 day dry fast, felt good, and that I could stay on the fast.. No pain, just weak coordination, physical fatigue and extreme nausea. I knew that on water fasting, it is good, to remove toxins, by this method the body does, but I was not sure if, with so much less water, being in the body, if the nausea/toxins were expelled, (this way), if vomiting would hurt my kidneys, or cause harm in someway. Going for another fast soon, seems to be helping my health, and mind.. But am not sure wither vomiting is a "friend" or "foe."

Your blessed help, in clearing this up for me, would ease my mind on how to go about doing such fasts.

Thanks.

God bless..

Gratefully,
Joseph

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01 Sep 2011 03:20 #9080 by Milena
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I would not vomit. Instead you could get some aromatherapy peppermint oil to smell or get some orange/mandarine and inhale the smell as you make break the pieces or crack them. Smelling tiger balm might help as well. There are proven remedies for nausea. My guess is that the next time you dry fast it will get better as you are releasing toxins everytime you fast leaving less to cause nausea. I hope this helps..:)

Milena

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01 Sep 2011 03:35 - 01 Sep 2011 03:36 #9082 by Christian144
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Sorry about posting twice, I had meant to delete one of the posts, but can't seem to find the delete button. Thanks for responding again :) and for sharing your wise advise, with me. I will try it. Got peppermint in the house.

Me to, thank you Milena. :cheer:

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03 Sep 2011 05:39 #9089 by Yuliya
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Milena wrote: The amount and number of times one urinates is more connected to how active one's bladder is, the amount of fat one burns, how active one is, whether one sweats or not and the environment one is in. For instance someone who spends time in a cool room will urinate more often then someone who spends a day in a warm room.

I do not believe eating raw or not would make a difference on the frequency of urination. You could have two people eating exact same food and their urination pattern would be different if one has an active bladder or small bladder. It comes down to how long can one hold and still remain comfortable..:)

What you need to be concerned with is changes in urination pattern. For instance if you urinate often and suddenly stop, that would be a red flag.


People eating a diet of juicy fruits and vegetables urinate A LOT more often than people on a regular diet. Ask anyone on 30BananasADay.com
However, whenever I stop eating and drinking after some time, I start urinating very rarely if at all.
I consider it to be normal and logical for me.

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