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03 Jan 2014 00:27 #19334 by Lisafast
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Hi everyone,
I know this is a topic that could cause arguments and that there is probably no correct answer that is right for everyone. But I am so confused and I really don't know how I will eat after my fasting this month. I'd love to do a 10 day or 14 or 21...or well, I will listen to my body, but my body isn't very honest with me. It tells me I am hungry even while I'm still eating. So I have a difficult time listening to my body because it wants to be fat, I think, like everyone else in my family. So I'd love to hear about your eating evolution. How you came to eat what you believe is the best for you and how you make changes and avoid eating trigger foods. I spent 14 years being vegetarian and had actually convinced myself that I didn't like meat but I was addicted to bread and refined sugar and I spent a lot of time denying myself the amount or types of food I wanted to eat. I also ran miles and miles and I just can't get into that any more. Ha ha. Anyway, recently I read Wheat Belly and a couple other books that recommended low carb eating and I started eating meat and switched from honey to stevia for my coffee and heavy cream instead of soy milk creamer. Its like who is this woman? And now I feel that low carb, while very satisfying and yummy (who wouldn't like cheese?) did not help me get back down to 112 lbs. So I'm working on a fast and I"m around 135 lbs (I kept myself at 108-112 for 14 yrs) and I refuse to accept that weight. People tell me I look good but technically my bmi tells me I am overweight. I have a normal bmil at 125 but even that feels to heavy for me.

What is the cleanest diet? I mean, what is going to keep my body in the healthiest condition and help it run like a fine tuned machine.

What foods should I avoid and what foods are the best to eat?

Meat? Good bad? It tastes delicious, but in the back of my mind it feels wrong, especially since I wouldn't go out and hunt it down myself.

Alcohol? good for you? poison?

I would really appreciate any advice, but especially hearing everyone's journey to healthy living.
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03 Jan 2014 11:08 #19346 by TheFastDoctor
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We could argue, dear Lisa, that the ideal diet is what our genes are designed for. And that would likely mean to eat only what grows in the environment and season we find ourselves in. Eskimo's do wonderful on fat, people in the tropics do much better on fruit. Alcohol can be very good for some people, very bad for others. there's nothing better than listening to your body.

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04 Jan 2014 02:19 #19371 by Lux
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Open the Bible to the first chapter or two and find out what your body was designed to run on. Fruits, grains, nuts, and veggies. Don't believe in the Bible? Then compare to nature. Herbivorous animals have intestinal tracts 5-6 times body length with rough surfaces meant to handle fiber, carnivores 2-3 times body length and smooth to handle very little fiber. Plant eaters have teeth shaped for grinding, carnivores have fangs. Put the wrong fuel in and your car won't run long. Same thing with your body. We dig our graves with our teeth. Look what happened during the mad cow scare in Britain. As milk consumption dropped, deaths from coronary disease promptly fell as well.

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04 Jan 2014 05:17 #19372 by TheFastDoctor
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Gr8 post Lux, Thank you! The way I see the Scriptures:

If your car stops running, you go through a few motions:
1. Try to start it.
2. If that fails, open the bonnet and look for something obvious.
3. If that fails, go buy the book "How to fix a car".
4. If that fails, get the manufacturer's handbook.

If your body's functions play up, the motions are similar:
1. Wait and see if you get better.
2. If not, go to a pharmacy and put some chemical into your body.
3. If that does not help, go to my colleague who studied "how to fix a human".
4. That failing, go read the Manufacturer's Handbook.

One of the first pieces of advice in there is to eat plants and to fast (up to 40 days). Incidentally in St Petersburg University (When Stalingrad during communism) they studied fasting from a totally agnostic point of view and came to the conclusion that fasting is beneficial in ALL medical conditions. Plus, it is safe up to 40 days.

Could have told them: These facts have been published almost 6000 years ago!

André

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04 Jan 2014 09:36 - 04 Jan 2014 09:38 #19373 by Lux
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When I see some caution about how dangerous fasting is, I truly wonder. Has anyone stopped to consider the evidence at all of just how dangerous NOT fasting is? What Christian would not believe that Christ came to set an example for His followers? Do they REALLY believe that He would EVER do anything that was harmful for His body? If fasting was more dangerous than eating, He would never have done so.

The Pharisee lacked humility and was condemned for that, but he did know the way he was supposed to eat.

Luke 18:12: I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

We should mimic the publicans humility and practice the pharisees physical example. (Good business practice is to practice the tithing as well as many businesses have discovered, but that is for another blog).

I have suffered enough loss of function to want to be more pro-active in my repair processes. Rather than wait to see if I get better, I plan to actively seek out a more healthy lifestyle. I hope to see some restoration of function by fasting, but some things which are once lost cannot be regained no matter what is done.

I downloaded the BBC clip that David shared and now have it permanently on my iPhone and iPad to share. Another Gem to help keep me on the strait and narrow.

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04 Jan 2014 16:20 #19380 by david
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If your car stops running, you go through a few motions:
1. Try to start it.
2. If that fails, open the bonnet and look for something obvious.
3. If that fails, go buy the book "How to fix a car".
4. If that fails, get the manufacturer's handbook.

If your body's functions play up, the motions are similar:
1. Wait and see if you get better.
2. If not, go to a pharmacy and put some chemical into your body.
3. If that does not help, go to my colleague who studied "how to fix a human".
4. That failing, go read the Manufacturer's Handbook.



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Average minds discuss events;
Small minds discuss people.

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04 Jan 2014 16:44 #19382 by TheFastDoctor
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You're so welcome David.

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07 Jan 2014 16:46 #19442 by Lisafast
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My body doesn't give me clear signs. If I get digestive distress it's difficult sometimes for me to figure out what caused it. Also, my body clearly loves all the wrong foods. How to I train my body to give me the correct message. Sometimes I feel like my body wants me to be obese like the rest of my family and that I am constantly fighting it.

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07 Jan 2014 17:10 #19444 by TheFastDoctor
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Bear in mind, dear Lisa, that the "manufacturers" of these "foods" has only one goal: Moving YOUR money to THEIR bank account. They will stop at nothing to get you hooked.. so there's a lot of chemistry involved.

Only Mother Nature has no ulterior motives. Stick with real food and your cravings will no longer become addictions.

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07 Jan 2014 22:26 #19446 by danielle
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Wonderful posts!

Lisa, your body is addicted to the bad foods. Mine was too, especially sugar. The best thing you can do is just go cold turkey. Suffer through the first couple of days, which might not even be bad if you exercise, get fresh air, steam, etc. Once those toxins get out of your system, you won't crave them anymore.

Food is a DRUG. Plain and simple. Even fruits and veggies can be addicting. At least, if you are eating clean, you won't feel awful if you overeat. The processed stuff is the worst, and I can tell you, from an entire life-long experience, that that stuff is the Devil.

I haven't had fast food or really bad stuff in forever. I never drink. Chocolate is my sole vice left, and it's bad, because it's not the good organic dark chocolate. Still, it is way better than what I used to consume. I never touch bread now or dairy or chips and stuff I used to gorge on.

Once you start feeling the effects, like no mucous and no brain-freeze or depression or lethargy, you'll want to stick to the change.

Trust me love, I know it's so much easier said than done. But, you are hear and you are setting intentions. You'll make it, when you are TRULY ready!!!!
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08 Jan 2014 14:02 #19450 by Lisafast
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When I say my body loves all the wrong foods, I did not say that I eat those foods. I haven't eaten processed food since my grown children were little. I haven't eaten bread in two months except for 4 occasions. Everything I eat is a "whole food". The most processed thing I eat is coffee in a Kuerig k-cup. I'm like an ex smoker who still would like to have a cigarette. But I don't allow myself those things, including M&Ms, dear Danielle. What I was really asking on this post is what people find for themselves to be the diet that they can eat when they are hungry and feel satisfied and maintain a weight they are happy to be at. I had practiced calorie restriction for a number of years as well as lots and lots of exercise to maintain my healthy weight. I also ate vegetarian, mostly vegan and I have even done raw vegan for a month at a time. Now I've learned about low carb and became afraid of carbs and even stopped eating fruit. But it doesn't feel authentic to me. I recently picked up an alcohol habit which I am working on eliminating. But I feel like I let my diet get away from me and I feel like I don't have the discipline to calorie restrict like I used to and I am having trouble getting through a few days of fasting. So I am floundering and asking for help. Not for people to tell me I'm eating processed foods because I don't. Most of my food does not come in any package and I cook from scratch. I do go out to restaurants but I structure my meals around meat or fish plus green vegetables. I rarely get dessert, very very rarely. I'm trying to decide whether to go back to vegetarian, and if so, I'll have to ditch the low carb thing because I like to eat fruit and beans and they have quite a bit of carbs. This morning I had a smoothie made of pineapple, banana, apple and spinach...all whole foods thrown into my Vitamix. But it was 75 grams of carbs. If I were eating low carb, I'd have had eggs and cheese with either broccoli, spinach or asparagus. i'm just very confused and my body..my biofeedback, doesn't seem to be explaining to me which is better for me. I just know I need to eat less but I wonder what types of foods I should eat. Any meat or dairy or eggs I get I make sure is organic. I guess lately I've been so concentrating on NOT eating that I need some guidance on how to eat properly.

so I guess my questions are 1. how do I train my body to give me proper biofeedback signals
and 2. what foods are the most harmful and which foods are the most healthful
and 3. How to I learn to eat what my body needs and no more.

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08 Jan 2014 14:18 #19453 by Elizabeth C
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Hi Lisa,
Everyone is different. I feel best eating a balanced diet. When I say balanced, I mean balanced in macronutrients with whole foods. Please check out Perfect Health Diet by Paul Jaminet and Personal Paleo Code by Chris Kresser. This is where I am going with my diet. Natural foods, balanced, and clean. These books both have websites with lots of info based on their books. They are not low carb, they are moderate carb. The doctors have sold me that zero and very low carb diets are not healthy. They recommend 75-150 per day which seems very reasonable to me. I'm curious to what you think.
PS...both doctors recommend intermittent fasting for both health promotion and weight loss.

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08 Jan 2014 14:20 #19454 by Lisafast
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I will check them out. Thanks Elizabeth.

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09 Jan 2014 04:20 - 09 Jan 2014 04:21 #19459 by Mystic
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Your body craves the wrong foods because the receptors have changed in order to release dopamine when it gets what it wants. It takes 3 weeks to heal the receptors and create healthy cravings. The best diet in my opinion is a mostly raw foods diet or the paleo diet. Both eliminate grains and processed foods.

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09 Jan 2014 15:25 - 09 Jan 2014 15:27 #19465 by Mystic
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Here is one video that goes into how addictive the wrong food is.



Is sugar toxic 60 mins.

There are a few good docos out there on this. Good news is that the right diet can heal the receptor sites. I guess food is a drug after all.

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09 Jan 2014 17:04 #19466 by danielle
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Food is definitely a drug, and sugar is the worst. I view sugar as the leading, most addictive, cheapest and most readily accessible drug in the world.

There was a great program on NPR today, on The Diane Reahm show, about FASTING!! They were talking about Intermittent, as well as long term. Said that after 12 hours, your body uses up its glycogen reserves and starts burning fat. Great to exercise when fasting. Burns fat. It was a wonderful program and just an extra bit of inspiration for my bike ride :)

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09 Jan 2014 17:09 - 09 Jan 2014 17:14 #19467 by Ockeghem
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Danielle,

That program sounds interesting. Although I don't know when the fat-burning process begins, I am fairly certain that glycogen reserves are not used up after a mere twelve hours (unless those on the program were saying one was exercising continuously for those twelve hours). It takes quite a bit longer than that in a fasting (non-exercising) body in my experience. For me, it's around four (and sometime five) days into a fast when all of my glycogen reserves are depleted. Glucose may be another story, however.

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10 Jan 2014 12:13 #19478 by TheFastDoctor
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My own disdain for sugar was triggered by a documentary made in the 1960's.. well before we had TV here in Africa. It was distributed as rolls of 16 mm film. But it contained the same facts. Since then I never again allowed past my lips anything if I knew it contained sugar. This eliminates a lot of potential toxins as in industry sugar is typically employed to smuggle past your taste buds certain substances that your body would have rejected.

And yes glucose is quite acceptable although in its pure form it represents "empty calories", that is, without the micronutrients it should have. I prefer honey... it's a complete food.

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12 Jan 2014 23:49 #19520 by Lisafast
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Thanks for everyone who weighed in on the ideal diet debate. I was really struggling over whether or not I should worry about keeping my carbs low, and thus continue eating meat or whether I should eat a plant based diet. I really feel like I am ready to go back to a whole foods plant based diet. I am not ready to commit to vegan but if I do eat dairy or eggs, I will make sure it is organic.

I think part of my struggle is that I am an "all or nothing" person. And maybe I shouldn't be that way when it comes to eating. I want to find an eating program and stick to it 100%. But perhaps we are not meant to eat that way.

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13 Jan 2014 00:06 #19521 by Lisafast
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Wow, Mystic. I just watched that 60 min segment on sugar. That is powerful. Thank you for posting.

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