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11 Dec 2007 11:16 #336 by sara
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We always hear that you need to be supervised while fasting for longer period. What are the tests that done to insure you are fine?? Can they be done at home? What about anemic or diabetic person?? They defiantly need to be supervised? But what are the tests? Also if there are any fasting centres in London or in the UK?? I tried searching but no luck!!

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13 Jan 2008 10:20 #384 by TheFastDoctor
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Supervision should be more than observation. It's no use we see you are getting ill and can't do a thing about it!

I prefer to check blood pressure, resting pulse rate and arterial oxygen saturation daily, weight about every second day, blood sugar, uric acid and cholesterol at the onse of a fast and any or all of the above whenever the patient reports a related symptom. In the case of diabetics there are more observations indicated.

When symptoms arise, I perform physical examination and tests as mentioned, then treat as far as possible the underlying cause. Sometimes this means oxygen therapy, on the odd occasion colon cleansing (although I NEVER allow colon \"irrigation\"!) and in rare situations even medication. (More often medication is the culprit and needs to be discontinued.)

Most of these interferences are made redundant when my patient does the \"active fast\" by participating in the cycle of elimination therapies, preferably starting even before entering the fast. (I posted a description elsewhere).

Hope this helps.
André

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07 Aug 2008 09:07 #1161 by Hoop
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I've been fasting about 2 1/2 years now here and there, don't have any fears of fasting, don't take any drugs besides alcohol on occasion, and in great health besides some extra weight I carry that I am so ready to depart with.

So, my questions... What can I do if I can't find a doctor here to supervise the fast?

Would it be wise to just fast 5 days at a time since I can't find anyone instead of going on a longer fast?

What kind of fasting/eating schedule is best for weight loss and overall health?

Thank you so much in advance. I just adore the support and information you all provide.

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07 Aug 2008 12:55 #1162 by TheFastDoctor
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I recall a girl who started a fast under my supervision (her first ever) then went home and continued up to day 38.. with no problems. If you have a good relationship with your body (that means, unlike your teenage kid, you're still on speaking terms!) your body should tell you when it's time to stop.

If you have been fasting a lot in the past, I see no reason why you cannot supervise your own fast. Just be sensitive to biofeedback.

Sure it is safer to do less than a week or 2 at a time, and have repeated short fasts rather than one long one, but there are so many factors involved, that you should consider every fast to be a \"person\" behaving in a unique way.

If further you do regular \"cycles\" of elimination (I mentioned these often in other posts) toxins do not appreciably accumulate in the body, further enhancing the safety. And if you have fasted a lot in the past, the load of toxins in your body is low anyway, once more making it safer.

Concerning \"Schedules\": I fast at least 30-60 hours once a week (usually air only) and for me, the weekly fast works very well indeed. But the prime reason is not weight loss. Actually weight loss should not be the prime motivation to fast. You will be healthier and healthier people have less tendency to overweight. When disease strike, I would fast longer than a week but so far the weekly fast seems to abort most incubating diseases anyway.

Play it by ear. Your body knows best.

André

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08 Aug 2008 06:36 #1163 by Peace Seeker
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I didn't know if I should start my own thread for this or not but it kind of relates.

I am going to start a 21-40 day fast and actually I have already started it since last nights dinner. Anyways, should I be checking my own blood pressure or heart rate?

I am 30 years old and I have done a 4 day juice fast, a 14 day juice fast, a 7 day and 10 day water fast and 5 or 6 3 day water fasts since April. Is it safe for me to do this at home? I was not bothered by the 10 day fast and I didn't even do an active one but since then I have have done 3 active 3 day fasts.

I just want to be safe and I don't want to die. I have been suffering from a horrible depression and I finally just want it to cease. I also have excema and candida and my candida may be the root of it all. Anyways, if I do a 21-40 day fast will my candida be gone and for that matter my depression and excema? How long does it take to get rid of it in a fast?

I was thinking about going to a fasting resort that has doctors but they are all very expensive. If anyone has some suggestions on where to go for a decent price please let me know. Also, what exactly do the doctors do for you at the fasting resorts?

I just wanted to say I love this site and I believe I am on the right path with fasting and eating healthier and I appreciate everyone who posts on this site. Thanks and God Bless, Peace Seeker.

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08 Aug 2008 07:08 #1164 by TheFastDoctor
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During \"supervision\" we do check blood pressure and heart rate, also blood sugar, uric acid, oxygen saturation, etc. but seldom do these dictate our actions. It is how you feel that is important.

Yet for anybody to stick their head out and blankly promise that it is \"safe\" would be irresponsible. There are many factors that could affect you and these may change all the time. i would suggest a few things that could enhance the \"safety\":

1. Don't be alone.
2. Don't hesitate to break the fast (albeit slowly) if you start feeling ill. You can always start again. And if less than about a week has elapsed, to a large extend a restart is a continuation of the same fast.
3. When you break your fast, do it slowly. First just diluted fruit juice, a while later perhaps full strength fruit juice, later fruit (preferably tropical fruits that digest easily), etc.
4. Don't be stubborn and insist on reaching a \"goal\" set before your started. Biofeedback needs to be free, needs to dictate what you do on short notice.

This \"Candida\" thing: I for one don't believe candida causes any disease. It is a normal, commensal organism present in all of us (see my post on microbial life). It might overgrow as an indicator of underlying problems but once you blame it for the problem, you risk stopping looking for the real culprit. If the fast heals the underlying problem of course the numbers of candida organisms will be decimated but that should not be the prime goal.

If you do a longish fast (10 days or more) you should exploit the opportunity to identify food sensitivities during the process of breaking the fast: Eat only one food per meal, then check your pulse rate before and about half an hour later. The food that causes more of an increase is likely one you are sensitive to. This might contribute to how you feel, including depression. It is important though to always use the same \"dry weight\" of the test food (subtract the moisture content) so their \"load\" on your body can be equivalent.

Please remember during healing you might feel worse before feeling better. Since depression is a very serious disease, make sure you have support available.

This post is getting too long. Please keep us posted and let's deal with issues as they arise.

André

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09 Aug 2008 04:41 #1167 by Hoop
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Thank you so much, Doctor Andre! I appreciate your wisdom and experience, and feel blessed to have found you all here. Glad to read there aren't any apparent dangers fasting at home. Certainly, anything we do has varying degrees of risk, and I do understand to pay attention to my body.

I have decided to fast at least one day per week. I remember reading but can't find where you stated the benefit of fasting at least once every 7? days?

Also, you mentioned that a high fat meal is best the night before a fast, and I understand your rationale. What about eating a high protein meal before the fast is bad?

Have a fantastic weekend!

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09 Aug 2008 16:12 #1168 by TheFastDoctor
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The fasting metabolisms (catabolism) builds up a \"momentum\" when fully activated, and remains active for about 10+ days after starting eating again. A bit like a car coasting along after you take it out of gear at speed.

Thus one fasting day per week \"revs up\" the catabolism before it expires. You don't have to start \"from scratch\" every time. Also 7 days is a divinely inspired time, which was found to reflect in many biorhythms.. you are supposed to rest every 7th day, remember? So does your stomach.

A high protein meal will cause your body to focus its digestion/metabolism on protein. If you start a fast this way, all your proteins (organs, muscle, etc.) will be considered substrates for breakdown during the fast. I believe it's much better to break down fat than muscles during a fast.

Best of luck.

André

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15 Aug 2008 02:29 #1174 by Hoop
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Thanks for the information doctor Andre!

When you say a high fat meal the day before the fast, what foods would you suggest? My mind it telling me avocado, raw nuts, and seeds... but my tongue is telling me french fries, tortilla chips, and cheese (all on the list I made during my last 5 or 6 day fast).

Also, does this high fat meal apply only the night before a fast of 5 or more days, or is it wise to also eat a high fast meal the night before a 40 hour fast?

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15 Aug 2008 08:17 #1175 by Peace Seeker
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Well I have been trying to start a new thread for the last couple days but it hasnt been letting me so I guess I'll post in this one since this is the one I said I was starting my fast on.

Well I'm on day 8 and it has been the toughest so far to me because my depression has been kicking me in my behind today and I've been real down and thinking very negative all day long. I woke up with a light headache but drank a lot of water in the morning and it went away. It's very hard when I get deeply depressed because I have a girlfriend and it affects are relationship considerably. Besides myself, she is the number one reason I'm even doing this.

I have only had two bowel movements during the fast which was day 1 and this morning. You would think since I had a bowel movement this morning I would be doing a whole lot better but that isn't the case. I actually had heartburn a little bit on the 6th night and a little last night. I decided to lay off the distilled water for a couple days because I read it is very acidic. I haven't had any today. I have had a little gas every day but not a lot although the last couple days have had more than any other part of my fast. I had a horrible headache from the end of day 2 to all of day 3 and even woke up on day 4 with a light one but it went away shortly after. I actually felt the best yesterday and was in a pretty decent mood but here comes my depression again slapping me upside my head. Other than that no serious complications other than today with my depression and my horrible headache in the beginning.

I have went to the gym twice six out of the 8 days and have been walking on the treadmill between a half hour to and hour and sitting in the sauna 30 to 45 minutes but lately 25 to 30 because its been pretty tough to breathe after 20 or so minutes. Both twice a day. The only day I didn't exercise was the second day and maybe that was the reason the headache got so bad. Yesterday I went to the gym twice and played basketball later at the park.

Well I hope now that the depression is kicking my ass it shall soon pass. At least that's what I've learned from the countless hours I have read on fasting in the last 4 months.

I hope you all are doing well and thanks again for the support and having a site I can vent a little on and get some great advice from. Laters.

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15 Aug 2008 08:22 #1176 by Peace Seeker
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Oh and I've been extremely tired all the time except maybe after I take a nap. I usually sleep 4 to 6 hours straight and then the rest is just scattered from there. :(

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18 Aug 2008 11:16 #1177 by TheFastDoctor
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Hi Hoop.. I try to take a high fat meal before every fast.. that is, at least every week. In my evaluation a fast is any time without taste for 24 hours or more, preferably around 40. It is actually more important in short fasts than in longer ones, as you have less time to activate catabolism.

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18 Aug 2008 11:23 #1178 by TheFastDoctor
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Peace Seeker, Don't be disheartened by the depression rearing its ugly head again. I believe diseases like depression is at least partly caused or made worse by buildup of chemical toxins. If for 8 days you have not been taking in anything other than water, it stands to reason that the chemicals now making you depressed was in your body before you started fasting. Since the symptoms develop now, these chemicals have been mobilized. This however gives your body an opportunity to eliminate them.

The more symptoms you have, the more important it is to persist, and in particular to do active elimination cycles. But don't hesitate to abort the current cleanse it it gets too hard to handle.. you can always start again in future. Sometimes there are just too much toxins to process in one go.

Wishing you strength.

André

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19 Aug 2008 22:49 #1180 by Peace Seeker
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First of all I want to apologize to everyone especially the thread starter about continuing my updates on my fast on this thread. I click on new thread and it goes to a page but its pretty much all blank. I don't know. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

Anyways, I am on day 13 and I am very proud of myself. I made it through day 8 which was a very depressing one but haven't felt as depressed that day again. I almost broke up with my girlfriend 2 days ago and made it through that. My birthday was yesterday and I had a wonderful birthday but I really wanted to grub down. I went to a funplex where they have mini golf, bumper cars, go carts, laser tag, batting cages, and video games. Then I went to see the new movie Mirrors and it was pretty good. Very original, I give it a B. Oh and my girlfriend gave me the coolest gift. I got a Seahawks watch where the center where the clock is is platinum and the band is silver. The emblem is also grey so it doesn't stand out much. The symbol is very suttle and I like that.

My detoxing symptoms are way less. Although I am still not sleeping normal and feel tired all the time still. I am very excited about the next week because I've heard a lot of healing takes place after day 14. I am still in a depression though but I think I am getting better slowly but surely. I was on Paxil lasts year for 4 months and I think it was the worst thing every for my mind although I was happy on it but I have gone through things with my mind that I have never gone through in my life. I am still going through them now but not as bad as they were before. I just want the symptoms to totally cease and my depression to completely be lifted.

I have a feeling I am probably going to go 30 days because I am very interested in feeling the whole spiritual aspect of fasting as well. I used to be a very spiritual person when I was 21 and now I'm 31 and haven't been since. I feel like I have been in at least a light depression the whole time since then when I was in a deep depression when I was 21.

I haven't had another bowel movement and my gas is getting better every day. I wish I wouldn't have ended this on that note but whatever, lol.

Thanks again Andre for the reply. I always appreciate a response even if you don't have much to say. It gives me encouragement. :)

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25 Aug 2008 00:46 #1189 by Peace Seeker
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Well here I am on day 18. I guess my body is choosing to heal other things first because my depression is still here but I'm staying strong and just trying to remember everyone's countless personal stories I've read about people beating whatever their issues are ( mental or physical ).

This is definitely the toughest thing I have ever done before and there is no way in hell I will ever do a long fast again in the summer because I have missed out on a lot of things and being in Seattle the summer is definitely the best time of the year.

I am a little concerned because the last 4 or 5 nights I have woken up so thirsty and I feel like my body isn't retaining water that well. I almost feel like my body doesn't have much electrolytes or something like that. I have been drinking over a gallon of water a day and yesterday drank close to 2 to see if I would still be the same and I was. Would it negatively affect my fast if I got some water from a supplement store by my house that has electrolytes in it? This is the only concern I have because other than that I haven't had that many detox symptoms except my horrible breath and taste in my mouth at times and being a little queezy once in a while. I'm also still not sleeping like I would like too but that's about it.

I can tell I will not be ready to stop on day 21 so I think I will play it by ear from then but 30 days is a great possibility. And from what I've read your mind is affected most after day 21 so hopefully my depression will be cured by then or sometime in that frame.

Trying to stay strong and still seaking peace, Peace Seeker. :)

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25 Aug 2008 00:47 #1190 by Peace Seeker
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Well here I am on day 18. I guess my body is choosing to heal other things first because my depression is still here but I'm staying strong and just trying to remember everyone's countless personal stories I've read about people beating whatever their issues are ( mental or physical ).

This is definitely the toughest thing I have ever done before and there is no way in hell I will ever do a long fast again in the summer because I have missed out on a lot of things and being in Seattle the summer is definitely the best time of the year.

I am a little concerned because the last 4 or 5 nights I have woken up so thirsty and I feel like my body isn't retaining water that well. I almost feel like my body doesn't have much electrolytes or something like that. I have been drinking over a gallon of water a day and yesterday drank close to 2 to see if I would still be the same and I was. Would it negatively affect my fast if I got some water from a supplement store by my house that has electrolytes in it? This is the only concern I have because other than that I haven't had that many detox symptoms except my horrible breath and taste in my mouth at times and being a little queezy once in a while. I'm also still not sleeping like I would like too but that's about it.

I can tell I will not be ready to stop on day 21 so I think I will play it by ear from then but 30 days is a great possibility. And from what I've read your mind is affected most after day 21 so hopefully my depression will be cured by then or sometime in that frame.

Trying to stay strong and still seaking peace, Peace Seeker. :)

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25 Aug 2008 11:57 #1192 by TheFastDoctor
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Your thirst is an important symptom. Usually thirst is an indication of a too high concentration of electrolytes (salts/minerals) in the blood. The body then asks for water to dilute it.

But it can also simply be \"toxins\". After all, one of the most important funcitons of fasting is to mobilize toxins from the tissues into the blood, so that these can reach the elimination organs (mainly sweat glands). Unfortunately lots of water does not help eliminate the typical toxins mobilized by fasting as water soluble toxins are eliminated (by the kidneys) all the time. The toxins that do accumulate are typically hodrophobic (not water soluble).

This is why I think it is SO important to do ACTIVE elimination therapies during a fast. I have described these in detail in \"Health Won\" and mentioned it a few times on the forums.

To recap: Detoxification consists of
(1) mobilization and
(2) elimination.
The former is achieved by fasting, the latter needs exercise, massage, sweat, cooling and rest in rapid succession.

Very seldom do we note symptoms like persistent thirst in those following this regimen.

Best wishes

André

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25 Aug 2008 12:09 #1194 by TheFastDoctor
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Your thirst is an important symptom. Usually thirst is an indication of a too high concentration of electrolytes (salts/minerals) in the blood. The body then asks for water to dilute it.

But it can also simply be \"toxins\". After all, one of the most important funcitons of fasting is to mobilize toxins from the tissues into the blood, so that these can reach the elimination organs (mainly sweat glands). Unfortunately lots of water does not help eliminate the typical toxins mobilized by fasting as water soluble toxins are eliminated (by the kidneys) all the time. The toxins that do accumulate are typically hodrophobic (not water soluble).

This is why I think it is SO important to do ACTIVE elimination therapies during a fast. I have described these in detail in \"Health Won\" and mentioned it a few times on the forums.

To recap: Detoxification consists of
(1) mobilization and
(2) elimination.
The former is achieved by fasting, the latter needs exercise, massage, sweat, cooling and rest in rapid succession.

Very seldom do we note symptoms like persistent thirst in those following this regimen.

Best wishes

André

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25 Aug 2008 12:15 #1195 by Peace Seeker
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I have been doing the elimination cycles but am still having that problem. Hopefully it ceases soon. Thanks again Andre. :)

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31 Aug 2008 04:53 #1202 by Peace Seeker
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Well I am now on day 24 of my fast and I am going at least 31. I read recently that a good rule of thumb to follow to restore complete health mentally and physically if you're going to do a long water fast is to do 1 day for each year you have been alive and I'm 31. If I don't feel how I want to then than I will go 40 days and juice for at least 10 days after that then switch to fruit and vegetables for about the same amount of time then nuts and grains then slowly add in meat all though I'm hoping to go at least half raw for my whole future after the fast.

Positives about the fast are when I'm in a good mood they seem to be getting better and better. I cried for the first time while I was laughing and had the best laugh of 2008 while watching Letterman the other night. Oh and I never talked about how much weight I have lost but I have lost 37 pounds although I do think I'm way to skinny I know its part of the process. I had lost like 30 in the first 14 days so its definitely slowed down since.

Negatives are I am still in a depression but not as deep but I am still going through mental issues I never had in my life till 5 months after I got off Paxil. To those out there do not ever take no damn drugs to fix anything and definitely don't take that one because it has been the worst and scariest thing ever mentally for me dealing with the crap that I've gone through mentally this year. Well that was a horrible run on sentence. Another negative is dealing with everyones negative reactions when they have no clue about fasting. I really wish I was at some resort so I could do my fast in peace but I'm not and just trying to stay strong and stick it out. Although it is tough. I am a tough and strong and disciplined guy mentally and I'm a keep on truckin. :)

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