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07 Sep 2008 03:14 #1244 by Peace Seeker
Peace Seeker replied the topic: Re:Fast Supervision!
I just wanted to tell you thank you and you really made my day. My heart was telling me to continue my fast and you made it that much easier to do.

I have a couple questions for you as always though. Why are my liver enzymes so high? If I go 40 days and only if I don't feel true hunger if I juice fasted for a week to 10 days after that would that be just as good as fasting to completion or would fasting to completion be better? I'm sure the answer would be fasting to completion but I thought I'd ask anyway.

I'm still very irritated that I still have gas and I also had a lot of heartburn last night while I was lying down so I had to sit up. Yesterday though I did not go to the gym because I had to watch a 4 year old all day and just didn't have the time to last night. I guess we could have at least went for a walk in the sun but I had to do household stuff as well. I definitely wont be doing that today. I still feel tired all the time. I'm still having bs mental symptoms that I never had till 5 months after I got off Paxil. There is a site called paxilprogress.org and there are thousands of people on this forum talking about what that drug did to them during and after. Most of them say it took them a few months after getting off till they had their worst symptoms as well. Also some of them talk about having symptoms that last them over 2 years. I'm sure none of them have done as long as fast as me or maybe not a fast at all but I really feel like I got severe brain damage from this crap. I guess not severe but enough to drive me nuts and for me not to feel at peace. It is really mentally painful and hard for me to deal with. It is also very discouraging that I still have gas. It almost feels like my body isn't healing anymore.

Anyways I'm tired of venting but that's the pain I'm going through. But I can't tell you how much I appreciate you responding to everyone of my posts. I am so happy that I'm going to continue my fast. I just told my girlfriend I am going to go down to California to finish my fast because I feel it has been too stressful on me here. The fast is hard on both of us and it is stressful on her if I'm irritable or depressed which makes me more stressed because naturally I worry about her feelings so I just made a decision to finish my fast down there. I am going to go to the Commerce Casino and finish my fast there because it is the poker capitol of the world and I can just focus on myself and poker isn't stressful to me and they have a small workout room where I can walk on the treadmill and they have a pool and I can sunbath. I play poker for a living and I need to make some money so it will be a good last week for me.

Take care, thanks again. :)

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07 Sep 2008 13:11 #1245 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re:Fast Supervision!
Ok here goes:
1. Your Liver enzymes are NOT \"so high\": As mentioned before, during intensive detox I have seen them reach thousands of units. Your 5% increase is within normal variations anyway. And: Fasting mobilize toxins, whereafter the liver has to detoxify them. Thus an increase in liver enzymes indicates succesful mobilization of toxins. The liver's \"workers\"are enzymes, so they need to increase to deal with the increased workload.

2. Remember that when getting off an antidepressant, your own system needs to take over the higher levels of production of neuro-transmitters that have been induced by the drug. This may tame some time. Actually there could be a factor of \"reound\" which is a biological phenomenon. But fortunately antidepressant does not have long lasting residual chemical effects and are eliminated from the body completely.

3. Having \"gas\" after fasting a few days is impossible unless you are swallowing air. Gas in the gut can after all come only from fermentation or from air swallowing. There is no third way other than when a surgeon introduce it to perform an endoscopy. After a day of fasting there should be nothing that can ferment to form gas so the logical conclusion is that you swallow air. This is the result of a coordination \"program\" of the swallowing mechanism. This \"program\" is located in the cerebellum (the \"small brain\" at the base of the skull at the back). The professionals best trained to help you retrain the swallowing mechanism is a speech therapist.

Hope you're successful in California. Please do not hesitate to post to the forum if you need help and don't ignore your biofeedback.. remember that concentrating on poker could cause your brain to ignore body messages.

Have a great life.

André

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07 Sep 2008 14:55 #1246 by Peace Seeker
Peace Seeker replied the topic: Re:Fast Supervision!
I don't ever burp except maybe sometimes when I drink a lot of water and I still have heartburn. I don't swallow unless I am drinking or eating something. I respect everything you say but I have a hard time believing its from swallowing air. I am not saying you are wrong but I am just having a hard time believing it but you know a lot more than me. But I am being 100 percent truthful about when I swallow.

You said reound in your post about antidepressants but I'm pretty sure you meant rebound but I just wanted to clarify in case that is a word I have never heard of.

Also, I guess the only other question you didn't answer was if I did a 40 day fast and then juiced for 7-10 days would it be as good as fasting to completion?

The games are so easy in California that it is real relaxing and I am only playing 1 game at a time and I am used to playing 4 to 6 games at a time online so I'm not worried about me not listening to my body or mind. It's kind of like putting my car in cruise control if you know what I mean.

Anyways thanks again for your response. I look forward to hearing everyone of them. It just seemed a little early and I found it a little rude to say have a nice life before I at least posted about me ending my fast and telling everyone how I felt after my fast is done. It just kind of made it seem like you were tired of responding to me. But I'm in a depression so who knows, maybe I'm overreacting. :(

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07 Sep 2008 22:22 #1247 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re:Fast Supervision!
Remember that aerophagia does not need to be associated with burping. And we all swallow thousands of times per day, as the salivary glands keep on lubricating your mouth.

Yes I meant Rebound..

Well when you fast 40 days you have fasted \"to completion\".. but it is definitely a good idea to go on a fruit juice or fruit diet after a long fast.

Good for you to take it easy in California.. no need pushing you.

Please understand that I quoted just a good old African greeting when I wished you a nice life. We do it often even at the start of a communication. I do hope to be provileged to coach you through for as long as you need it and at least until all the issues are resolved.

André

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08 Sep 2008 00:44 #1248 by Peace Seeker
Peace Seeker replied the topic: Re:Fast Supervision!
Thanks again for the reply and thanks for the clarification about having a nice life.

I'm not saying you're wrong but my stomach is constantly grumbling and that's why it's hard for me to feel that its from swallowing air unless I'm swallowing thousands of times in my sleep. I have been really conscience of when and how many times I swallow and its only when I drink water.

Well I woke today with a huge headache and its still here but not as huge but still doesn't feel good nonetheless. It is my first headache since either day 2 or 3. But I'll take it as a healing crisis and fight through it like everything else.

I thought that fasting to completion was till when true hunger came but 40 days is long enough for me anyway. Well I'm on day 32 baby. Only 8 more to go! Woohoo!!! Thanks again Andre! :)

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08 Sep 2008 02:24 #1249 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re:Fast Supervision!
Please NEVER avoid aborting the fast simply to achieve a number. Your body is more important than a theoretical number. Please try to do a few active elimination cycles of
Exercise->Massage->Heat->Cold->Rest
as I have explained several times on these forums.. there;s no point in mobilizing your toxins unless you also eliminate them..
Remember gas in the intestine either need to be swallowed or produced locally. To be produced, you need fermentable (undigested) substances in the colon. After even 2-3 days of fasting there should be none.
I admire your persistence and really hope this pays off for you..
André

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08 Sep 2008 15:11 #1250 by Peace Seeker
Peace Seeker replied the topic: Re:Fast Supervision!
I payed very close attention to my body today and noticed that the more water I drink and if I drink it fast the more gas I got. And I noticed if I just sip I have way less gas. I decided to quit just taking what you were saying as unbelievable and I googled about it and I believe you're right. I figured this guy's a damn doctor and he knows what the hell he's talking about. So I just thought I'd let you know that.

Well I guess my 20th question is, lol, why the heck am I still having heartburn sometimes when I lay down?

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08 Sep 2008 23:49 #1251 by TheFastDoctor
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Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. If you still have heartburn, this likely indicates a \"reverse peristalis\" of your esophagus. This would be part and parcel of the aerophagia, a mechanism that has a major contribution to the problem.

Peristalsis is supposed to be co-ordinated by Auerbach's Plexus, a network of nerves that runs throughout the entire intestine. The muscle can produce peristalis on its own, but then the \"wave\"\" typically move in both directions (up and down) from where it originates. Sometimes poor Auerbach did not develop fully or it is ill from toxins or virus infection, and then each segment of the intestine has a tendency to \"go it alone\".

In orthodox medicine we would typically prescribe a \"pro-motility drug\" to help orientate the intestine, to \"ploarize\" it working from top to bottom. Sometimes this is \"needed\" lifelong, but in my experience when you have guided the gut for a few days, it \"gets the message\" and goes on on its own.

The \"best\" drug for this used to be Cisapride.. but this has been withdrawn for the nasty side effect of killing some patients.. because they had \"long QT syndrome\" making the heart hypersensitive. There is however a very old drug called Metoclopramide that I still sometimes employ for this purpose.. there is so much experience with this one it can be applied safely.. but of course preferably under a doctor's supervision.

The last resort is surgical, a procedure called Nissen Funduplication. Used to be major surgery but now with new technology is done endoscopically. Side effect: You can never vomit again.

I'm sure you are going to Google a few of these, and then we can exchange ideas again. Best wishes.

André

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09 Sep 2008 05:01 #1254 by Peace Seeker
Peace Seeker replied the topic: Re:Fast Supervision!
Well I am not going to google anything yet but I just wanted to add that I had a bad acid reflux problem that started when I was 22 and took tums for 4 years almost everyday then I found Prilosec. I took that for another 4 years and never got heartburn on it. I cut myself off of that when I read about it when I got deeply depressed in December. I decided to beat it naturally. I probably cut it off in January. What's wierd but cool is after my 10 day fast in June I have never gotten heartburn off anything. Not even off drinking or spicy food. I didn't get any heartburn till later on in this fast. Doesn't make much sense. Doesn't happen everytime I lay down since I'm laying down right now and I am fine but almost everytime especially at night. I don't know, very odd. I wont be getting on any drugs anymore for anything and hopefully I wont be having heartburn towards the end of my fast or after I'm done.

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09 Sep 2008 12:54 #1257 by TheFastDoctor
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Prilosec contains Omeprazole. It is a PPI or Proton Pump Inhibitor. The following side effects are known: (Thanks are due to Wikipedia)
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As with all proton pump inhibitors, omeprazole is generally well tolerated. Some of the most frequent side effects of omeprazole (experienced by over 1% of those taking the drug) are headache, diarrhea, abdominal pain, nausea and dizziness.[2]

Proton pump inhibitors may be associated with a greater risk of hip fractures [3] and clostridium difficile diarrhoea.[4]

A recent news release also suggest that omeprazole may be linked to heart problems, including cardiac arrest.[5]
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This drug does NOT prevent reflux, it only removes all acid from your stomach so you are not made aware of the reflux (cannot feel it). It is registered only for short term use (max 1 month) but many doctors prescribe it indefinitely. Since the stomach needs acid to digest your food, long term use leads to malnutrition. It is not a solution for the problem, it only mask the symptoms for as long as you use it. Personally I try to avoid this class of drug as much as possible and prescribe it only where acute ulcers need healing.. short term.

André

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13 Sep 2008 04:27 #1260 by Peace Seeker
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Well I am now on day 37 and sure can't wait for Monday. I'd love to say I feel like a million bucks but I don't. But maybe I need two long fasts. I've read some people do. I think I'm going to do a 21 day after the Super Bowl. I'm also going to go somewhere in the wilderness. I'll probably go camping by myself and have my girlfriend come for Valentine's Day weekend but we'll see, not 100% about that yet.

I'm still having problems waking up with dry mouth and also don't feel my body is absorbing water like it should but it has been doing this since day 14 so oh well, only 3 more days. Does laying out in the sun cause you to be more dehydrated? I've been laying out between 40 ad 50 minutes a day but don't really sweat (maybe because I'm dehydrated) much but it just seems like I might be a little dehydrated because I played poker the other night for 5 hours straight and never had to use the restroom and I was drinking water the whole time. I don't remember the last time I had heartburn while lying down so whatever was causing it is gone. Maybe it was the stress, I dont know.

Well I do have good news besides being on day 37. I had a 2 hour conversation with my girlfriend last night and it was my favorite time of the whole fast and made me the most happiest. It made me feel a lot closer to her. This fast has been so tough on both of us because I've been off and we've been fighting and I know my irritability is a huge reason for it. It's like my fast is hard enough its hard to deal with anything else serious. But I'm so glad because I feel at peace with her again and that's the second most important thing for me besides feeling peace with myself which I still haven't found yet.

Although I am happy I have made it this far and feel good about being this strong and disciplined when it has been so hard, I have to say I'm a little dissapointed in the fast itself because I was hoping my depression would be gone and I would feel more spiritual and closer to God but oh well, I tried. Unless a miracle happens I in the next 3 days I am going to be very disappointed. But I also read you'll feel the full effects of what the fast really did to you 6 weeks after your fast but I'm sure you have a different opinion on that Andre. I just read that after your done refueling your body that is when you can really tell and there should be a slow but progressive more feeling of well being as long as you end your fast properly. But I know I still did the best thing for my body and I still believe in fasting completely I just didn't get exactly what I wanted out of it. But that's the breaks, what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Laters, Peace Seeker. :)

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13 Sep 2008 12:13 #1261 by TheFastDoctor
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Remember, Peace Seeker, sometimes the harder you wish for something the harder it is for that to happen. When you concentrate on a problem (like depression in your case) the \"topic\" remain in the conscious mind, which is said to occupy only 5-10% of your brain capacity. When you ignore it, it is \"diverted\" to the subconscious where the real intelligence is..

I have used fasting over the years specifically to draw my patients' attention off their presenting problems so that these could be diverted to the subconscious. So often did I then notice a \"miraculous recovery\".. simply by not thinking about it.

Also it could be that the underlying cause(s) of the depression has been resolved but because it has been present for so long, it maintains a \"momentum\" that you still experience. Being exposed to depression for some time changes your way of thinking and even when it is no longer stimulated, the patterns perpetuate.

My late father used to say, God put your eyes in your head looking away from you, not on stilts looking at you. This is how we should live.. into the world, not into ourselves. Depression thrives on attention.. it's like fertilizer.

I don't for a moment underestimate the severity of the disease and yes it does need professional treatment and support. But by limiting your thoughts about it only to those times you actively attend to treating it, will cause it to be relagated to a lesser importance in your everyday life.

It's very possible that the real effects will only kick in later but meantime I do believe that the \"maintenance\" fast (I do once a week) helps a lot also.

André

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24 May 2013 01:03 #16774 by moises
moises replied the topic: Re:Fast Supervision!
Andre,

There is so much great advice in this thread. Thank you for giving so freely!

In nature, the fasting person was more active than the nonfasting one. That is such a great reason for active fasting. Thanks again.

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