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15 Jun 2011 14:37 #7781 by Hotmail
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I have been fasting Ramadan for most of my life which is a dry IFing sun-rise to sun-set. Its always a challenge, especially these years in Europe when the day is very long and very short window for eating and drinking in the evening.

Anyone did this? Do you have good tips into easing into the fasting and managing it with least trauma. Note I work full time, so I will be in an office all day, so I can't just take a nap in the middle of the day.

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15 Jun 2011 23:17 #7791 by Esmée La Fleur
Esmée La Fleur replied the topic: Re: Ramadan
I think this might be considered a long daily fast, rather than intermittent fasting. Intermittent fasting, as I understand it, is when you fast completely for one or more days per week or month. You might want to post it under the general Dry Fasting section to give it a little bit more exposure.

I think you are very brave to undertake this kind of fasting every year. I am sure it is a challenge. In the Gospels, Christ says that we are not to put on a long face when we fast, but I tend to put on the longest face of all!

Is there a website you could direct me to that would give me an introdution to Ramadan fast--its history and tradition? I would be very interested to learn more about it. There are virtually no Muslims where I live (that I know) and so I am quite ignorant on the subject.

Blessings, Esmée

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16 Jun 2011 02:30 #7796 by Hotmail
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Hey Esmee, according to many other forum IFing is fasting most of the day with a short eating window, the short eating window can be anythign from 1 to 6 hours so some people do 23/1 22/2 (fasting/eating window)

I've never heard doing one or two days fasting to be IFing... but each community has its own lingo I suppose.

Will catch up with you on the other forum, seems the group here are not familiar with such form of dry fasting.

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16 Jun 2011 02:39 #7797 by cory
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I have done it on the past couple of years as I became a Muslim when I married my wife, I also found it hard as I never fasted before, but I did notice most people doing it badly i.e. having a feast at the end of it.

Since I have been fasting regularly this year dry fasting has gotten easier, what I would recommend is to try doing some longer dry fasts maybe just 36 hours or a few days if you can by doing this then Ramadan in a couple of months time will be easier as you only have to last less than a day.

Ideally do your voluntary fasting on Mondays or Thursdays or between 13th to the 15th of each month as these days are recommended in Islam.
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16 Jun 2011 03:48 #7800 by Esmée La Fleur
Esmée La Fleur replied the topic: Re: Ramadan

Hotmail wrote: Hey Esmee, according to many other forum IFing is fasting most of the day with a short eating window, the short eating window can be anythign from 1 to 6 hours so some people do 23/1 22/2 (fasting/eating window)

I've never heard doing one or two days fasting to be IFing... but each community has its own lingo I suppose.

Will catch up with you on the other forum, seems the group here are not familiar with such form of dry fasting.


Well, I could certainly be wrong. It has been known. :blush:

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16 Jun 2011 04:10 #7801 by Milena
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Hotmail wrote: Hey Esmee, according to many other forum IFing is fasting most of the day with a short eating window, the short eating window can be anythign from 1 to 6 hours so some people do 23/1 22/2 (fasting/eating window)

I've never heard doing one or two days fasting to be IFing... but each community has its own lingo I suppose.

Will catch up with you on the other forum, seems the group here are not familiar with such form of dry fasting.


Intermittent fasting (IF) is a pattern of eating that alternates between periods of fasting and non-fasting. So it could be a few hours or a a couple of days, the key is that is is a pattern and not just an occational even. Hope that clears the matter of definition.

As for easing into your dry fasts, dear Hotmail. I am surprised you haven't gotten used to it by now since you've been doing it most of your life...:) It all depends how hydrated you get between your fasts. I would recommend to drink as much as you can right before the sunrise so you have enough fluid to sustain you through the day. Your fasts are only several hours and you should not be experiencing much of discomfort. It is hard for me to pinpoint the solution since I do not know what your lifestyle is like.

For me I can tell that I do not even get a dry mouth till about day 6 or 7 on dry fast, but since I've never drunk too much in my life, my body is accostumed to hold on to the fluids so I last wihtout water for a very long time. The longest has been 9.5 days so far...:)

May the Energy you free from digesting serves your Body and Spirit well!

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16 Jun 2011 11:47 #7810 by Hotmail
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Thanks all, even though I did Ramadan most of my life, I still find it hard to do it in a cold European climate, and be working full time on top. I drink a lot during the day normally, mainly green tea, luckily I don’t drink coffee, I believe the reason I drink a lot of tea is because I feel cold and instinctively I have hot drinks, yesterday I tried not to have too many tea, so wanted to see if I could last all afternoon without tea, I did , but I got very cold, the air conditioning is blasting on me in the office lol, if I didn’t have to be sitting still at my desk all day, I believe it would be not much discomfort, as at home (e.g. at weekends when fasting) I manage to keep myself really busy and active that I am not feeling any chill.
So yes, the hardest thing for me is feeling so cold, so I need to bring a heater to put it under my desk (eve though its summer) and wear an extra sweater.

Gold Border, thanks, agree about the big feast, not sure which country you live in, but here in the UK we are going to have a small usable eating window, so sun-set at the moment is 9:30 and sun-rise about 3:30am, I like to go to bed early, hence I have a small eating window, and I don’t like having big meals especially before going to bed, usually small ones through out the day.
As you know its not recommended for us to do a prolonged fast (longer than the one prescribed i.e. sun-rise to sun-set) so I have never done one longer than that, but I will need to think about if its going to benefit me.
Do you think I should do this once or a couple of times? I must admit I really hate fasting, I find it very stressful, perhaps I have some kind of blood sugar issues, but I get irritable and agitated if I don’t eat regularly.

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16 Jun 2011 12:20 #7812 by cory
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Staying in Malaysia last Ramadan the time between sunrise/set was around 14 hours I think big difference from the 18 hours in the UK atm.

When doing my fasts in Malaysia my family in law do think it's strange that I don't break my fasts at sunset. You could always have a glass of water at each sunset so it breaks the Muslim fast but could then dry fast a bit longer afterwards this wouldn't be as good as just doing a long dry fast health wise but if you feel you shouldn't be fasting after sunset this could be a way around.

Or a another thing in Islam sex/masturbation breaks a fast but doesn't break a normal fast you could do that if you want. Or even just cleaning your ears as your not meant to insert anything into any hole as this also breaks a fast in Islam.

Maybe one of the reasons you find it hard to fast as you get caffeine withdrawal symptoms, if you stop drinking caffeinated drinks a few weeks before Ramadan it might make it easier.

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16 Jun 2011 14:10 #7813 by Hotmail
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cory wrote: Or a another thing in Islam sex/masturbation breaks a fast but doesn't break a normal fast you could do that if you want. Or even just cleaning your ears as your not meant to insert anything into any hole as this also breaks a fast in Islam..


LOL, never heard of the ear/hole thing, am sure its justa local thing. But drinking water or juice to break the fast is a good idea.

cory wrote:
Maybe one of the reasons you find it hard to fast as you get caffeine withdrawal symptoms, if you stop drinking caffeinated drinks a few weeks before Ramadan it might make it easier.


No I do not drink caffeine, I do have some green tea, very diluted,, its like boiling water with a few leaves in it, I could happily just drink boiling water, as I said the issue with me is feeling so cold and sleepy (as am sitting at my desk all day)

Thanks for the tips so far, I read here some tips about starting with eating mostly fruit for a day or two then moving into a dry fast, this is the way I want to do it.

Oh btw Ramadan is not in two months, its only another 6 weeks, so I am trying to get my system ready for it. A lot of people think cold turkey approach is the best, else one would be burnt out by the 20th day!

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16 Jun 2011 19:36 #7827 by Milena
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It used to get super cold in my office as well until the adjusted the a/c system and I too used small heater at my feet and wore layers when I was doing long fasts.

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16 Jun 2011 21:07 - 16 Jun 2011 21:12 #7834 by Esmée La Fleur
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Hotmail wrote: I must admit I really hate fasting, I find it very stressful, perhaps I have some kind of blood sugar issues, but I get irritable and agitated if I don’t eat regularly.


The hardest part of fasting, in my experience, is the first three days while the body switches fuel sources (from glucose to ketones) then I start to feel very balanced.

The irritable and agitated feeling is really an intication that fasting would be good for you. They are not symptoms of hunger, but of withdrawal from some addictive substance you are ingesting on a regular basis. I suspect the caffiene in the green tea you drink (no matter how diluted it may be), but may also just be toxins coming out because you are not eating. The body say woo-hoo, no food, lets get rid of some of this crap while we have a chance, so you feel like, well, crap...

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16 Jun 2011 21:56 - 16 Jun 2011 21:57 #7842 by Milena
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Esmee,

On dry fast ketosis happens much faster. By 24th hour the prosess of kentone release starts and by 48th hour you are pretty much in full ketosis.

I also suspect if Hotmail eats small frequent meals her body is used to constantly digesting and releasing insulin which would explain the irritability when she skips meals. Shifts in blood sugar will cause irritability as well.

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16 Jun 2011 23:06 - 16 Jun 2011 23:06 #7843 by Esmée La Fleur
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Yes, Milena, you are so right. My first experience with dry fasting was so much more pleasant than what I have experienced with water fast in terms of the transition.
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17 Jun 2011 02:32 #7850 by Hotmail
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I wont be fasting longer than 20 hours a day, so hopefully I wont get into ketosis.

Yes Esmee, the first 3 days are the hardest, and I was hoping there wouold be some information from experienced fasters on how to make those days less rough, but it seems there are no short cuts lol.

Thanks very much all for your posts and valuable information.

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17 Jun 2011 03:04 #7854 by Milena
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Hotmail wrote: Yes Esmee, the first 3 days are the hardest, and I was hoping there wouold be some information from experienced fasters on how to make those days less rough, but it seems there are no short cuts lol.


Dear Hotmail,

No there are no short cuts. If during the non-fasting times you eat and drink frequently you will always struggle with your dry fasts since your body and your psychy are both used to you eating and drinking frequently. It is that simple. If one the other hand you only have 2 - 3 meals per day at the most and don't habitually sip some fluids througout the day, then dry fasting will be a walk in the park..:)

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17 Jun 2011 03:22 #7855 by Hotmail
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Thanks Milena, yes, this is what I am going to start doing now, I had some digestive issues that prevented me from eating large meals, hence in the last few months I have been eating smaller frequent meals. I only moved to eating fruit and veg mainly in the last couple of months, I also eat one cooked meal of beans/rice or veg soup now and again, so in the last couple of weeks I noticed my digestion has improved a lot, and I think am able to move into 2/3 meals a day, I will start with delaying my first meal/drink every morning by an hour or so and see how it works. Thing is I would have no problem with fasting the opposite hours lol, i.e I'd happily eat during the morning/mid day, and stop eating by 2pm until the next, day, and I have done this before, so I do like eating my calories during the day, and not need them much at afternoons/evenings.

I will also quit green tea in the next few days, and see how it goes, I think that would help a lot, I really don't believe its causing any caffeine issues, because on some days like the weekends, I completely forget about the tea, I get on with the day's chores and don't miss it until perhaps in the evenings when I decide to relax and watch TV or something, so to me the green tea is not a necessity, its a comfort thing. If I feel cold I will just drink hot water and I will also bring layers of clothes with me.

Will keep you updated :)

Thanks again

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17 Jun 2011 03:28 #7856 by Milena
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You are welcome! I don't think there is an issue with your green tea either. You are on the right track with changing frequency of your meals and most importantly, do not drink frequently, try to figure out when you are thirsty and drink only then. Since your diet is predominantly fruit and veggies you don't need too much additional fluid anyways.

Please keep us posted on your changes and how they will effect you.

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