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Ramadan Fast on the Fruitarian Diet

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06 Aug 2011 21:44 #8825 by Yuliya
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DAY 4

I am back on Ramadan Fast and kicking :)

On the day I broke my Ramadan Fast, I had a meal of avocados in the evening, because I had a strong craving for them.

On the next day (yesterday) I woke up feeling really well: not hungry, not thirsty, not groggy, good energy. I felt like I could easily go through the day without eating or drinking. So, I did. It was a VERY productive day.

In the evening I worked out and then broke my fast with 2 liters of coconut water (hydrating!), than I went to a supermarket and bought small amounts of all kinds of fruits that caught my eye! At home I had some of the fruit trying to feel what I enjoyed the most and only eat that.

After 1 more hour, I decided to eat a couple of avocados that I bought along with the rest of the fruit. But they didn't have good avocados on that day - the ones I bought were all black inside.
I wanted to eat some fat to make my next day fasting easier for me - so I ended up eating a couple of spoons of hempseeds. I didn't enjoy them very much and I regretted eating them. But, it's all a learning process of course.

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06 Aug 2011 22:03 - 06 Aug 2011 22:05 #8826 by Esmée La Fleur
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Have you ever considered eating the meat from immature coconuts or making fresh coconut milk from mature coconuts for your fat? It is actually a really healthy type of fat. www.coconutresearchcenter.com Dr. Bruce Fife has written four books on the benefits of coconut fat. I am going to be experimenting with it when I come off this current dry fast. It would be readily available to you all the time. I make coconut "cream" out of the immature meat by blending with a little coconut water. I have been feeding it to my dog with bananas and blueberries and he absolutely loves it.

P.S. I wish you and Milena would continue to post in the BLOG section as well. Many people do not even look at the forum.

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07 Aug 2011 07:57 #8827 by cory
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The only thing is if your having fat for breaking your fast at then fasting again it might make your detox even faster maybe a good thing as you will still be using fat as your main source of energy or bad thing if it gets too much for you.

I personally check the forums more than the blogs as well but normally reply to comments on my own posts at least.

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07 Aug 2011 19:46 #8833 by Yuliya
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Esmée La Fleur wrote: Have you ever considered eating the meat from immature coconuts or making fresh coconut milk from mature coconuts for your fat? It is actually a really healthy type of fat. www.coconutresearchcenter.com Dr. Bruce Fife has written four books on the benefits of coconut fat.


I used to make ice-cream using coconut meat and cashews. It made me feel horribly acidic. Even when I just had a lot of coconut meat by itself - it didn't feel right. The only way I would consider eating coconut meat is if I made kefir with it. But then I don't want to get into complex food preparation again - it feels too much like going in circles. I want to default on the way things are prepared by nature. Coconut milk does not exist in nature. We feel that it is healthy because of the deep subconscious conditioning.

I feel better about avocados than about any other fat, particularly if I eat them as a monomeal. This way I feel that I am not deceiving my body by mixing ingredients and creating tastes. At least than I know that I really want avocados.

I definitely will steer towards a low fat diet at all times - sometimes it will take some 'detour', but I know that eventually I will find my way back.

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07 Aug 2011 19:50 #8834 by Yuliya
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cory wrote: The only thing is if your having fat for breaking your fast at then fasting again it might make your detox even faster maybe a good thing as you will still be using fat as your main source of energy or bad thing if it gets too much for you.


I don't think I would feel good if I broke my fast on avocados alone and than began another fast. In my experience in the past, if I don't eat sweet fruit than very quickly I start missing them and craving them. Right now I end up having both sweet fruits and avocados - sugar and fat - during my short refeeding period. I think my metabolism is still sugar based as a result.

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07 Aug 2011 19:55 #8835 by Esmée La Fleur
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I would never eat cashews or any other nut for that matter because none of them are truly raw and they are very acidic indeed.

Did you use mature coconut meat or immature coconut meat. I cannot eat the mature, but the immature is very soft and easy on my body. I can however make fresh coconut milk from mature coconuts but it is a labor intensive five step process, but it removes the fiber which is the part that I cannot digest.

Avocadoes are very high in omega 6 fatty acids which are pro-inflammatory. Not a good thing to eat a lot of on a regular basis in my opinion. Coconut oil is all saturated fat, it has a totally different affect on the body than saturated fat from animal products, as most of the fats are medium chain which is actually very healing to the gastrointestinal system. People have healed their IBS and Ulcerative Colitis by adding coconut oil to their diet.

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07 Aug 2011 20:08 #8836 by Yuliya
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Esmée La Fleur wrote: Did you use mature coconut meat or immature coconut meat. I cannot eat the mature, but the immature is very soft and easy on my body. I can however make fresh coconut milk from mature coconuts but it is a labor intensive five step process, but it removes the fiber which is the part that I cannot digest.


I always used immature coconut meat.
My husband and I experimented with making coconut milk out of mature coconuts and it was a lot of fun but very much labor intensive and I also felt that it had acidic effect on me.

In fact in the past just adding coconut meat (immature) to my fruit smoothies changed the whole digestion thing and didn't feel right.

When I tried eating plain coconut meat by itself, not blended, - at first it tastes very delicious but it will take only a couple of days to get really tired of it (if you allow yourself to eat as much as you desire).

When I blended coconut meat with coconut water and other ingredients - I did not get tired of it, because the taste was resembling the taste of yogurts and ice-cream that I used to love.

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07 Aug 2011 20:10 - 07 Aug 2011 20:10 #8837 by Yuliya
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Esmée La Fleur wrote: P.S. I wish you and Milena would continue to post in the BLOG section as well. Many people do not even look at the forum.


I used to have hard time following blog posts and forum discussions, but now I always check my email first and I read and reply all the comments that come to my email - this way I never miss anything that I follow.

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07 Aug 2011 20:19 - 07 Aug 2011 20:21 #8838 by Yuliya
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Day 5

I had very high, almost explosive type of energy all day long.
I went for 2 bicycle rides in the sun and got thirsty, but I was able to keep going, while working, and then in the evening I had a workout (while thirsty still).

I broke my fast with 1 bottle of coconut water, than after 1/2 hour I had 1 small cantaloupe, followed by
- 3 doughnut white nectarines
- longans
- 2 small white peaches
- some black figs with more coconut water
- 2 small containers of raspberries
- a couple of small grape tomatoes
- 3.5 avocados (plain)

All these fruits were eaten by themselves as monomeal (with an exception of figs and coconut water) with at least a little break in between.

I enjoyed all of these tremendously and didn't start feeling full until I got to raspberries. Honestly I could have and probably should have stopped right there. But I had planned previously on eating avocados (I had 4 of them) and I chose to stick to my original plan.

I didn't enjoy avocados as much as I enjoyed them 2 days ago. I am not sure if it were the avocados, or what is more likely - I didn't crave them as much.

I think at this time my craving for them subsided and I can try to go without them for a day and see if it comes back.

After eating the avocados I waited for 1 hour and had one more liter of coconut water. I didn't want any thirst or incomplete elimination issues to come up on the next day :)

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08 Aug 2011 19:17 - 08 Aug 2011 19:19 #8848 by Yuliya
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Ramadan Fast - Day 6

I had good energy all day long and I worked out in the evening before breaking my fast with 1 liter of coconut water.
After a break I had a honeydew which I didn't finish (even though it was heavenly) but stopped when I became really full.
After another break, I made a salad with lots of baby greens, some green onions, cilantro and dill, sunflower sprouts (green part), 1 avocado and a small amount of heirloom grape tomatoes.
I tossed the salad using my hands squashing all the avocado pieces and mixing them thoroughly with greens.
The salad was heavenly.
It gave me a lot more enjoyment and satisfaction than plain avocados.
And, yes, I actually experienced satisfaction after I finished it.

Than I had 1/2 liter of coconut water as greens make me thirsty.

I wish I could have salad like this every day, but I am not sure if my candida/blood sugar/teeth issues will not come back.

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08 Aug 2011 19:29 #8850 by Milena
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Your salad does sound amazing!

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09 Aug 2011 19:18 - 09 Aug 2011 19:22 #8864 by Yuliya
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Ramadan Fast - Day 7

Most the whole day I felt really hungry, though my energy was good and there were no other side effects. Thinking back on what I ate yesterday, it became painfully clear to me that I simply did not eat enough. I ate 1 honeydew and 1 avocados with the whole bunch of greens and some tomatoes. That probably must have been around 500 calories... I don't know what I was thinking...

I also remembered an old 30bad rule that I forgot - if an avocado or a cooked potato starts looking good - it means you didn't eat enough fruit.

So, I had plenty of time to think the whole situation over and to understand that if I want to survive the Ramadan Fast and to keep most of myself in the same amount I am now, I gotta start packing calories in the evening.

I remembered that I had a similar experience about a year and a half ago when I went to a Buddhist monastery for 2 weeks where they had only one meal a day before noon. At first I naively thought that it would be easy for me and I would be so concentrated on the experience, that I wouldn't even care about food. It took me about 2 days to become utterly miserable from severe undereating, and it took me a couple of more days to realize that I need to devote 'eating time' to consuming as much dense sweet fruit as I possibly can. Eventually I got somebody there to buy for me a box of bananas and in the end of the eating period I was loading on those.

So, upon breaking of my fast I ate:
1) 1 liter of coconut water
2) 1 honeydew
3) 3 medium white peaches
4) about 7 medium white nectarines
5) 2 small packages of figs with more coconut water
6) one small piece of jackfruit and a couple of cherries

Most of these were eaten as monomeals with break in between in under 4 hour period. I guess my stomach is shrinking during the fasting period and I couldn't possibly have eaten any more than I did. I am happy with this refeed.

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10 Aug 2011 17:01 - 10 Aug 2011 17:13 #8906 by assu2cu
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dear cory,
Thank u so much 4 ur advic :) ..
so far i hav reduced 2kgs :woohoo:

M 22yr old, my height is 5'4inchs n nw my weight 57kg..
I hd no idea regarding d exercise routine.. thank u so much 4 d 1week workout plan.. I vil surly follw it.
As u said, i vil drop d green tea too n stick 2 plain water instead.

I vil also try 2 reduc my meals bt I read a lot articles regarding weight loss, n many of thm focusd on eating frequent meals even while fasting.. Cz it seems our body vil go into starvation mode n it vil burn even more less calories in order 2 presv sm energy or it vil start disolvin d muscle mass which is even more worse..
So thats d reasn i divided my meals into 3 portions. I also read dat eating more protiens n no carbs r carbohydrts vil increas d metabolsm n bdy vil burn calaries fastr..
Thats y i included chicken, eggwhites n buttr milk aftr breakin d fast..
Bt i heard dat hvin too much buttr milk or any dairy products vil increase weight.. (So shal i stick to 2glas of buttr milk or reduce
it to 1?)

PLZ CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG
all d best 2 u too:) :)

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10 Aug 2011 20:09 #8911 by Yuliya
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Ramadan Fast - Day 8

I had good energy and little hunger throughout the day.
I worked out (as I normally do) and broke my fast in the evening with 1 liter of coconut water.
After that I had:
- small piece of honeydew
- a cantaloupe
- about 10-15 apricots
- durian with some more coconut water
- about 3/4 liter of regular water

Durian felt extremely satisfying.

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10 Aug 2011 21:00 #8912 by Esmée La Fleur
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Looks like you had a good day! Simple and Satisfying.

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10 Aug 2011 21:59 #8915 by cory
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Well normally during fasting you lose some muscle mass, but generally not much if any muscle strength and most of the muscle mass will return when you start to eat more again.

But your trying to lose fat atm if afterwards you want to gain muscle you could do the same type of diet and just have a bigger meal at the end of the day. Look at the warrior diet for example or look at Herschel Walker who was mentioned in another thread he only has one meal a day I wouldn't complain if I had his muscles (he preformed a crazy workout involving thousands of reps of press ups,situps,pull ups and dips for strength while doing martial arts training/plyometric work, and bodyweight exercises for his cardio).

The thing about fasting is that it helps increases growth hormone this in turn gives you more energy, speeds up fat burning and actually increases muscle growth. So if you want to gain muscle you could do Ramadan style fasting with a healthy big meal at night or a smaller meal for fat lose.

I currently finding Ramadan relatively easy with my one meal only having blending fruit/yogurt drinks currently as trying to lose fat but will probable increase it within a week or two if I drop below 133 pounds. My plan for my first meal is to have a slice of wholemeal toast with scrabbled egg whites with seasoning along with my drinks at fast breaking time, then add or take away the meal depending on how my weight changes like days where my weight is above 133 pounds I have just my drinks while other days I have a meal as well hopefully gaining a bit of muscle while slowly burning any remaining fat away.

My abs the main reason I am focusing on fat lose have improved since I started Ramadan I am starting to get a horizontal line all the way down my abs now even over my belly button area it's still light and my bottom four abs have a bit of fat on them so I am not ripped like I eventually want but an improvement all the same.

I am tempted to carry on with Ramadan style fasting after Ramadan finishes while changing my daily meal according to my weight gain/weight loss goals but will see how I feel after it is over.

Wheat and dairy are the two of biggest intolerance people have for food that's why some people gain weight with them but it depends on the person while others it wouldn't make a difference.

I believe everything is fine in moderation personally provided your not allergic to it, but for buttermilk there are normally two common versions a low fat and a full fat one obviously the low fat one will help you with your weight loss than the full fat one as it contains around quarter of the fat.

In fasting the longer you fast the better for fat burning so if you eat all your food at the same time you would have a better result than if you spend it out over the night/morning.

Also it's good to have extra protein as 20–30g of protein is broken down each day just to help your brain to function while most of your other energy in your body you get from ketosis(your body fat). That's why on long fasts you generally lose some muscle mass, but if you regularly practice fasting you can prime your body to abstain from food without burning much lean tissue, along with this resistance training can help prevent this as well.

Anyway less you have to eat the more weight you will lose feel free to experiment depending on your weight loss goals, if you find your losing too much weight eat more or if your not losing weight eat less.

My metabolic rate might decrease just means you don't need to eat less and it will return to normal when you increase the calories you eat as long as you increase it slowly you shouldn't gain the fat back.

Yuliya glad your doing well on your Ramadan fasting your meal sounds healthy, just wondered are durians common in America cannot even remember seeing it in England but generally most westerners cannot eat it at all like I know my mum and sisters cannot and I can but don't really like it.

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11 Aug 2011 06:08 #8923 by Yuliya
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Thank you, Esmee and Cory, for stopping by :)

Cory, our durians here in USA are frozen and shipped from Thailand. Many Asian/Chinese markets sell it. I know that many people are turned off by durian's smell, but I absolutely love it (the taste that is) and I even find the smell pleasant occasionally. :P

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11 Aug 2011 07:54 - 11 Aug 2011 07:58 #8928 by Yuliya
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Today I didn't fast. I was going to but I felt rather thirsty from all the durian that I ate last night, and I just decided to do what my body wanted to do - drink some coconut water. After that I attempted to follow my cravings for food the best I could, all the time trying to feel if I really wanted to have any more.
I ate several nectarines and a couple of peaches. Than I stopped.

After a short while I started craving avocados (very predictably after all the fasting), so I went to the store and bought some. I mixed a ton of greens with 2 avocados and ate almost the whole thing. I drank a little more coconut water in the end.
After that I didn't have any more desire to eat or drink for the rest of the day.

My gum feels good so far.
I will continue trying to let my body lead tomorrow.

I think it is an art to find a balance between what we believe is good for our body and what our body craves. Sometimes these things are diametrically opposite. Sometimes only one of them is true. It is similar to finding a balance between what our mind tells us and what our intuition tells us. Few of us will eventually come to the point where they will have no more controversy inside of them, where what they crave and what their intuition tells them is exactly what is the best for their body.

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12 Aug 2011 08:05 - 12 Aug 2011 08:17 #8952 by Yuliya
Yuliya replied the topic: Re: Ramadan Fast on the Fruitarian Diet
Thank you for visiting, Sunmaiden :)
I always enjoy reading your notes :)

I didn't fast today either.
It felt really good to have 3 high calorie meals throughout the day.
I feel so satisfied and nourished and happy now, and yet my stomach feels quite empty because I didn't overeat at either one of my meals.

1st meal: small orange-red sweet apricots, a couple of cherries, durian and coconut water

2nd meal: a salad with lots of greens, 1/2 mango and 1/2 avocado

3rd meal: figs with coconut water, and a salad with the same ingredients as the first time.

I was rereading/rethinking Dr. Graham's book 80/10/10 today again as well as all my personal health history, trying to analyze if there was something I did in the past or I am doing now that has an influence on the condition of my gum.

I have a lot of respect for Dr. Graham and before I claim that his program didn't work for me (as I am sliding now towards high-fat diet and restrictive eating), I want to make sure that I really tried and I tried it exactly how he is laying it out. The truth is that I might have made at least 3 deviations from his book since I adopted low fat lifestyle:
1) I didn't eat any fat at all for long periods of time and I built up a longing for it.
2) I constantly attempted to go without any greens, because eating greens without fat is no fun and yet I love greens in a salad.
3) I ate small frequent meals throughout the day that might have been not a good idea if I had a potential of gum problems haunting me from my past.

I know that dry fasting helps. And probably longer dry fast will help me more.
But perhaps there is something I can do besides / in addition to it.

I think it will definitely help if I eat no more than 3 meals a day, so I will start with that. And then there is always dry fasting if I need it.

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12 Aug 2011 22:49 - 12 Aug 2011 22:52 #8955 by Esmée La Fleur
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It seems like you are also feeling unbalanced or incomplete on a no-overt 811rv like me.

It is good to be fair and really analyze how you have followed and deviated from the program Graham outlines.

I, too, am "guilty" of not eating overts for a long time (as I don't digest them that well). I am seriously thinking of experimenting with coconut milk, meat, and fat, but I want to first continue with my current experiment of including cooked low-starch veggies. I don't want to do too many new things at once and "contaminate" my experiment with a bunch of different variables.

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