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my cancer and a juice diet...i need help!

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01 Aug 2010 11:57 #4878 by myke
myke created the topic: my cancer and a juice diet...i need help!
My plan is to make juiced organic vegetables and fruits my main stay....I believe this will help my colorectal cancer no end, so far i have read that beetroot, apple, raddish, and celery are winners....i would so appreciate any advice i can get.
I have refused any allopathic treatment completely and have just had my 6 month mri which shows no growth in the tumour....this is fantastic news as it completely blows out the surgeons prognosis!!

i am following the budwig protocol, eating apricot pips and drinking essiac tea......I seem to instinctively know that my body yearns for live fresh enzymes and nutients, so have bought a good juicer...now i need good advice.

this seems to be the best place.

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01 Aug 2010 15:11 #4880 by TheFastDoctor
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Wecome Myke.. hope we'll be able to help.

To function within the ethical norms of my profession, I have to advise you not to discard scientific medicine altogether. All healing modalities should be seen as being on one spectrum, and not as enemies or "alternatives" to one another.

A few years ago, within weeks apart, I saw 2 ladies with breast cancer. One was much worse than the other, called an "anaplastic sarcoma".. google this if you wish. This lady agreed to go for chemotherapy whilst doing intermittent fasting. The doctor expected her to need 60 doses of therapy, and only hoped for a partial response. After 3-4 doses he could find no trace of the cancer. That is in my opinion because our "nature cure" and in particular fasting, made the cancer cells much weaker so that much less chemotherapy was able to destroy them.

The other lady refused all allopathic treatment and although her tumour was less aggressive, she died from it a few years later.

Thus I have always pleaded to see Nature cure as "complementary" to allopathic medicine and not as an adversary or "alternative". Its main functions are:
1. In those without disease, to keep us healthy
2. In those with mild disease, to cure them without medicine
3. Where disease is already far advanced, to enhance the effects of curative treatment and to reduce its side effects/toxicity.

Bear in mind that tumours grow "exponentially": One cell becomes 2, becomes 4, then 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256... you get my drift. Once there are too many cells, the growth rate tends to overwhelm our natural defenses and then a little help from medicine can reduce it to a level where the body can take care of itself.

If a tumour has grown in an otherwise healthy person, then it could well continue doing so..

Also please indulge my observation about the protocols you mention: They, just like allopathic medicine, try to solve the problem by putting things INTO your body.. in this case apricot pips (Which contain cyanide, acting similar to chemotherapy) and some tea.

In real Nature cure, we believe that most often, what made you sick is in you.. you don't get it out by putting things in. Real fasting is real powerful and very often partial fasts works not because of, but in spite of what people take in.

The best juicer in my opinion is your teeth.. they were designed to turn fruit into juice before you swallow it. I do juice fruits in machines, to save time, but I don't think they are any healthier that way.

We are here to help with an open mind. Please do not hesitate to exchange more ideas.

André

All my posts are "generic", based on my opinions and experiences only and are not intended to replace the advice of your own licensed medical practitioner.

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02 Aug 2010 00:53 #4889 by Meditating
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Myke,

I assume you are familiar with Gerson's therapy given your interest in juicing for your cancer. While I find their method of determining "cure" statistics highly questionable, the same could be said of many conventional cancer treatments that claim to extend life while not providing remission. How can it be said with certainty a life was extended? Sounds like your cancer isn't behaving as predicted either.

On the upside of Gerson's, of which I read quite a bit on when my young niece was diagnosed with stage 3/4 of rhabdomyosarcoma, I personally think it makes practical sense and it doesn't rob you of your quality of life.

As well as the Gerson's approach, Dr. Ben Kim, who used to run a fasting clinic, has written on juice feasting (not referred to as fasting) and the health focus for those who are ill seems to be on juicing vegetables more so than fruits. Of course, using organic, fresh foods are preferred.

Best of luck to you whatever treatment path you take.

Meditating

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02 Aug 2010 02:16 #4890 by TheFastDoctor
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You're quite right as always, dear Meditating..

Gerson's is indeed quite powerful and a worthy complementary (though not alternative) approach.

How we know if something makes a difference? This is often just statistically: Without a treatment such a percentage of a randomly allocated portion of people with the same stage lives so long versus those with a treatment.. you know how statisticians can perform with numbers.. but that's the only objective way we have.

Myke's tumour has apparently stopped growing and/or started shrinking. We're really happy for him. We just don't want to lose the initiative in this battle, and thus my recommendation to "pull all plugs" and "mold the iron while it's hot". Unfortunately tumour cells often have the ability to keep on mutating, so we should not give them time to do so. The "new generation" may just be a bit more resistant to what worked before.

Thus as the Scriptures say: Do one and do not neglect the other..

End of my sermon for the week. Monday morning 04h00.

André

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02 Aug 2010 02:53 #4891 by colleen
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This thread right here....this is why I absolutely love this forum and the wealth of practical information on here. :kiss:

Myke,

I'm so happy to hear of your progress. I wish you the best.

Colleen

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02 Aug 2010 03:16 #4892 by Meditating
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Andre'

Please don't think I was trying to encourage Myke on one path or another, especially since he has made his choice, which may change with his circumstances. The person who has to deal with the consequences should always make the choice. I only suggested additional information for him to look into regarding the choice he made.

I consider myself a nihilist when it comes to medical knowledge. While alternative medicine has anecdotal "proof" for the most part, conventional studies are often contaminated with bias, fabricated results, or reported half-truths. I have concerns too that observers might actually be participants given what we know about quantum science. There may be no such thing as a controlled study given there is no consideration of this point.

Who knows what one will do after receiving a cancer diagnosis. Thinking about it and knowing it are two different things.

However, conventional medicine has proven, at least to my satisfaction, significant success is to be had with many breast and colon cancers if caught in the right stage.

I only believe this because of all the people I know who had these cancers, received treatment, eradicated their cancer, and remained cancer free for years. I know of several people who receive ongoing treatment for leukemia and maintain quality of life for many years too.

Meditating

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02 Aug 2010 06:09 #4893 by TheFastDoctor
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As always, dear Meditating, I agree fully with you. Please do not underestimate your own wisdom, I have learned a lot from you.

Medical research is practically exclusively funded by the pharmaceutical industry, which will necessarily lead to a bias. Unfortunately they are nowadays just as involved in substances marketed as "alternative, "Supplements" and "natural medicines".. they will leave no niche market untapped or unexploited.

This does not, however, distract from our appreciation towards the pharmaceuticals for the giant strides they have indeed made with gathering knowledge. Once correctly interpreted without bias, this knowledge does serve mankind boundlessly. And yes, we do see many more succesful cancer treatments than in years gone by. The challenge remains to prevent them in the first place.

André

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02 Aug 2010 08:11 #4894 by myke
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Thank you all for taking the time to reply, Andre...I completely understand and respect your position, however i have already chosen my route.

To be blunt, I have no faith whatsoever in surgery, chemo or radiation....but this is a personal thing, I believe very strongly that these weopons of mass destruction would lead to a weakening of my body and a rapid death for me.

For others who have faith in such routes I believe thay will work.
the placaebo effect is so strong.
Many however seem to just hand over their bodies in desperation and despair.

I have total faith in providing the body with the resources it needs to repair the damage caused, hence my interst in juice fasting!

My cancer, i believe, is a survival mechanism (Andreas Moritz) and to reslove the problem the cause of the cancer has to be addressed....without my cancer perhaps i would have died many years ago.

I am also including meditation, visualisation and EFT, rebounding, saunas, wheatgrass, blue green algae, graviola and laughter in my protocol

The main reason for my post was to seek advice about the best juice fast to include, not to open a debate about alternative versus allopathic routes...for me that argument is over and will only be re visited if my tumour suddenly grows....and to this end I am keeping regular appointments at the hospital for blood tests and MRI scans (no ct scans due to the radiation)

I think this is a wondeful site and again want to thank all of you for your replies.

As Buddha may have said...Hardships are mandatory but suffering is optional.

Myke

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02 Aug 2010 13:11 #4895 by Meditating
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Myke, It is common for a thread to morph off topic in ways not originally contemplated. Please don't feel like we are trying to hammer you in the head about your choice. It is definitely your choice and many people do well taking that path.

I was merely stating, as I have before here, how unreliable conventional medicine is. While I did state the few areas where I thought conventional medicine found success with cancer, I did not mention instances when or why I think I would try an alternatives. Generally speaking, with the exception of an acute injury like a broken bone, I despise the use of conventional medicine and, while I might select it under the right circumstances, I would be terrified at the thought.

A friend I know very well worked in an alternative health food store for many years before I ever met her. When discussing her experience one day, she told me she sought out that job to become better informed about natural health care.

She had an older sister who was in her mid-40s and diagnosed with advanced colon cancer and was given less than a year to live. The sister refused to go the slash / burn / poison route and instead decided to max out her credit cards and travel with the time she had left. She had a goodbye party with her family and told everyone to expect to never see her again because she would die soon and preferred to be doing something adventurous in the process. She already bought her plot and made her funeral arrangements, stating her body would be returned home. My friend was just horrified at the thought of losing her older sister.

Years went by and the family never heard from her. They all imagined she died on some beautiful island and for whatever reason was never transported home. Eight years later, her big sister returned and was in robust health.

She spent most of her time in Asia and India and sought natural care, nourishing her body, using herbal medicine, practicing yoga, and meditating. She stopped expecting to die and enjoyed her continued travels. It took her 8 years to decide it was time to go back home. She never wrote her family because she knew they believed her dead and she didn't want to give them hope if the cancer later took her life.

She never had the progress of her cancer checked, which I personally would not have done. She died 4 years after returning to the US and told her family she thought it was the stress and pollution while living in the US that finally did her in. Her colon cancer came back with a vengeance and she died quickly. However, she was given not even 12 months but lived 12 years during which time she was the happiest ever.

This woman isn't included in a medical study anywhere. I only believe the story because I know her sister so well and do not believe she would fabricate such a thing. But if she were in a study, her treatment would be deemed an amazing success having lived beyond her prognosis by 11 times. Yet, unlike those in a conventional cancer treatment study, she never suffered from surgery, chemo or radiation.

Both options are valid to those who believe in them and neither side supports the other, but certainly the patient's belief in a treatment is worth something.

Here is an interesting clip, originally sent to me by David, the site moderator. It is from a conventional cancer study where herbs were used to get the idea. Now some pharmaceutical company is surely trying to patent a less desirable chemical alternative to provide the most important of all things desired in conventional medicine - profit. You can see the list of herbs in the study. I eat most of them regularly, but have new found respect for them after watching this video: www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/william_li.html

Good luck and meditation will definitely help :)
Meditating

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02 Aug 2010 15:43 #4896 by myke
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My dear meditating,
Thank you for your lovely reply and the inspiring story....my surgeon told me i had a 5% chance of seeing 2011 6 months ago...this morning i cycled to the hospital for a blood test (a 12 mile round trip)I refuse to be a victim...thanks for the clip too I will view it later on today.
God bless
Myke

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02 Aug 2010 19:26 #4897 by TheFastDoctor
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You are indeed an inspiration yourself, Myke.. I do often get quite annoyed by the pronouncements my colleagues make: After practicing medicine (albeit largely nature cure, I also do emergency medicine) for 30 odd years I will never venture to give a person such an estimate. We simply cannot even be remotely reliable and for someone giving you "5% chance" can be no more than a thumbsuck. Unfortunately this often becomes a "self fulfilling prophecy" in that people actually live towards what they were made to believe.

I do admire your resolve to prove them wrong.. and your resolve will likely be more potent than the medicines they would have wished to give you.

Thank you for understanding the limitations of what I may, as registered physician, ethically suggest and support.. and please do not allow this to distract from your admirable resolve to beat this thing your way.

Talk about cycling.. my brother in law has recently survived a massive cancerous tumor in his abdomen and is now arranging an almost 3000 kilometer offroad cycling challenge through Southern Africa, which I hope to join. In spite of his edema and recenty having fractured a leg laying out the route, he lives a really full life.. and I do hope you will also.

André

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02 Aug 2010 19:48 #4898 by david
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Dear Myke, Meditating and The Fast Doctor these inspirational and so very sincere threads in this topic and others on this forum is truly what gives me the impetus to continue maintaining this site. Myke I wish you success on your journey which seems to be much more than just overcoming an illness. And thank you for sharing so openly with us.
David

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