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09 Jul 2012 09:06 #11322 by david
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The following symptoms are often associated with ketosis. Are they all a result of the body detoxing or are any of them linked to the brain adapting to the new ketone bodies?

- Tiredness or fatigue
- Leg Cramps
- Headache
- Feeling thirsty all the time
- Bad breath
- Metallic taste in the mouth
- Weakness
- Dizziness
- Nausea or stomach ache
- Sleep problems

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09 Jul 2012 10:04 #11324 by TheFastDoctor
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The association with ketosis, dear David, is NOT the result of the ketones. What is happening is that ketones are formed out of fat. In that fat, in "toxic" people, there are lots of dissolved toxins which are released as its harbouring fats are being dissolved, turned in to ketones to be used for energy. We find much, much less of these symptoms in people doing the 5-step elimination cycle(s) even though they are overtly ketotic.

André

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09 Jul 2012 10:18 #11325 by david
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Thank you Doctor that is good to know that all the all the above symptoms are due to the release of toxins rather than due to the switchover in fuel as this is what is erroneously highlighted in other sources.

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09 Jul 2012 15:39 #11327 by bigpaparn
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David wrote: The following symptoms are often associated with ketosis. Are they all a result of the body detoxing or are any of them linked to the brain adapting to the new ketone bodies?

- Tiredness or fatigue
- Leg Cramps
- Headache
- Feeling thirsty all the time
- Bad breath
- Metallic taste in the mouth
- Weakness
- Dizziness
- Nausea or stomach ache
- Sleep problems


how many days of fast did these syptoms occur???

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09 Jul 2012 16:09 #11328 by david
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These symptoms are just general symptoms associated with a 3-10 day water fast. As each of us carry different amount and types of toxins it is impossible to gauge when and which ones will be experienced by the faster. There are only approximations and to get a better understanding of these you could read the member's archived blogs.

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11 Jul 2012 15:29 #11337 by Shant
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I'd partly disagree with the fast doctor as headache is a highly frequent symptom during adaption to ketosis, regardless of fasting or not.

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11 Jul 2012 15:39 #11338 by david
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Shant can you be more specific with what you disagree with as it was not evident from your post

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11 Jul 2012 15:58 #11340 by Shant
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God, I was in a hurry. Sorry. I just referred to headache that is common when blood sugar drops too low and usually continues until body starts using ketones for energy.

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11 Jul 2012 16:57 #11342 by david
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Thats a good point re blood sugar dropping not sure it would necessarily trigger a headache though. One might just tend to feel weak.

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11 Jul 2012 18:04 #11343 by TheFastDoctor
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The most likely cause of this kind of headache is VASODILATATION. I say this because in the brain, only the meninges and blood vessels contain pain nerves (C fibers). If you have meningitis you will have a headache. Blood vessels can be cut and burnt without pain (We sometimes wake patients up after opening the skull, while working on the brain, so they can tell us where we are poking). But if you STRETCH a blood vessel, it really hurts.

Inside the blood vessels there is a pressure. Blood pressure. So if the blood vessel wall muscle loses tone, the vessel stretches and you feel pain.

Most nerve endings are sensitive to fat soluble chemicals, because they resemble neurotransmitters. When you break down fat, you release fat soluble chemicals. This reduce the tone in the blood vessel, allowing the blood pressure to stretch it, causing pain. That's the same mechanism as migraine.

If you detox (refer to "active fasting" with elimination cycles) fat soluble chemicals are eliminated, hopefully fast enough not to cause this "vasodilatation" (Stretching of the blood vessels). Our experience is that active fasting can practically prevent these headaches by getting rid of the released fat soluble chemicals before they reach concentrations that can cause the headache.

In the vast majority of my fasting patients, if they start these cycles before they go ketotic, they prevent the headaches in the first place.

I do hope this explains matters a bit better.

André

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