Copyright 2018 - Custom text here
  • fast for a cleanse

  • 2

    fast for a detox

  • 3

    fast for freedom

  • fast for longevity

why a fatty meal before a fast?

More
30 Dec 2012 21:16 #14613 by Adam
Adam created the topic: why a fatty meal before a fast?
Looking over this post regarding whether or not one should begin a water fast after consuming a meal high in fats, I get the jist of the post but I am a bit confused by the following sentence:

//So yes if your next fast is say 6 days from the previous, the "switch" is more of a "revving up" than a "re-start" and you might argue that the fatty meal is not essential. And indeed yes it is not essential.. But it still holds a few benefits.//

So, I am assuming some fasters are sure to begin their next fast before this 7th day. But I'm unclear as to what the benefits would be.

www.fastingconnection.com/faq-about-fast...from-a-fruit-diet-is

"Our cells already know that we are breatharians. All we need is just to remember." - Jasmuheen

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
30 Dec 2012 21:29 #14615 by Adam
Adam replied the topic: why a fatty meal before a fast?
// If you had meat (muscles) your body is busy digesting muscles as you run out of blood sugar, so it will most likely revert to continue using muscles.. but this time your own. If your body was busy metabolizing fat when you run out of food energy, it is ready to convert your own fat to energy.//

So, just to be clear are you suggesting that although it is beneficial to begin a meal after consuming a meal high in fats it is not beneficial to begin a fast after consuming a meal high in meat (animal fats)?

"Our cells already know that we are breatharians. All we need is just to remember." - Jasmuheen

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
31 Dec 2012 01:46 #14618 by Adam
Adam replied the topic: why a fatty meal before a fast?
//4. From a psychological perspective: The body unconsciously increases the water retention mechanism as an buffer for people who suffer from high emotional sensitivity. The excess water or body fat acts as a protective pillow. I have found this explanation given by various health care professionals involved in psychosomatic healing.//

Would you care to expand on this, David?

"Our cells already know that we are breatharians. All we need is just to remember." - Jasmuheen

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
31 Dec 2012 03:53 #14620 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: why a fatty meal before a fast?
Dear Adam, fasting again before the 7th day (in some people up to the 10th) means that you don't have to fast at least 3 days to guarantee a "switch" to fat as main source of energy. You start burning fat pretty much within hours, since the enzymes converting fat to useful energy are still active. It may take up to 3 days to activate these enzymes "from scratch".

Indeed it would be detrimental to fast shortly after eating muscles, as your enzyme system digesting muscles would still be active, thus potentially targeting your own muscles.

André

All my posts are "generic", based on my opinions and experiences only and are not intended to replace the advice of your own licensed medical practitioner.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
31 Dec 2012 19:18 #14629 by Adam
Adam replied the topic: why a fatty meal before a fast?
I think I follow you now. So, if the body converts fat to useful energy after 3 days then wouldn't the muscle loss resulting from eating muscles as my last meal result in a minimal loss of muscle not worth worrying oneself over?

"Our cells already know that we are breatharians. All we need is just to remember." - Jasmuheen

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
31 Dec 2012 20:19 #14632 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: why a fatty meal before a fast?
I would take a lot longer, and at the expense of a lot of muscle destruction, to move your metabolism from muscle to fat, dear Adam. If you had muscle at the onset of a fast, there's practically no reason for the body to shift to fat, as it can simply continue breaking down muscle.. you have enough of that for a few weeks on a fast!. Elimination cycles may help a bit, but it might not be enough.

André

All my posts are "generic", based on my opinions and experiences only and are not intended to replace the advice of your own licensed medical practitioner.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
01 Jan 2013 17:55 #14658 by Adam
Adam replied the topic: why a fatty meal before a fast?
I'm a bit confused. In your former reply, you claim it takes 3 days to guarantee the switch to burning fats. Now, you are claiming it takes at least 3 weeks?

"Our cells already know that we are breatharians. All we need is just to remember." - Jasmuheen

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
01 Jan 2013 18:19 #14660 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: why a fatty meal before a fast?
No dear Adam. Please read in context. If you initiate your fast with proteins, this will activate a metabolism based on proteins, which may last as long as the proteins do. If you initiate the fast with fat, you activate a fat based metabolism which will help you switch from carbohydrate base (the "normal") to fat rather than protein (muscle and organs).

André

All my posts are "generic", based on my opinions and experiences only and are not intended to replace the advice of your own licensed medical practitioner.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
01 Jan 2013 19:02 #14662 by Adam
Adam replied the topic: why a fatty meal before a fast?
I understand your rationale, but can you please tell me what type of meal then are you basing the general rule that it takes typically only 3 days to "switch" to burning fats? Are you suggesting that it takes 3 weeks to switch to burning fats when the last meal eaten when entering a water fast is protein-based? I just have a really hard time believing that if I ate absolutely nothing for 20 days, regardless of what my last meal was, I wouldn't burn a single ounce of fat.

"Our cells already know that we are breatharians. All we need is just to remember." - Jasmuheen

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
01 Jan 2013 19:27 #14663 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: why a fatty meal before a fast?
Dear Adam, there are innumerable factors at play. 3 days is based on an observation, the appearance of ketones and the disappearance of hunger. But I have often seen this happen within 1 day in very active people, particularly if they do the 5-step elimination activities.

Your last meal or two, even more, (depending on your unique metabolism) before the fast would prejudice your body towards using specific substances. Studies of fasting in randomly fed people not doing any specific elimination activities found that they tended to switch from blood sugar to protein, primarily because protein is easily converted (back) to carbohydrate (which it was made from).

A high protein diet turns protein into an energy source rather than a source of building material.. and prejudices the metabolism to break down more protein.

You will always burn an amount of fat, dear Adam, once you run out of other sources of energy.. but where did the idea come from "wouldn't burn a single ounce of fat"????? I feel like words being put into my fingers.

André

All my posts are "generic", based on my opinions and experiences only and are not intended to replace the advice of your own licensed medical practitioner.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
09 Jan 2013 15:54 #14800 by reneesensei
reneesensei replied the topic: why a fatty meal before a fast?
I am interested in getting rid of several uterine fibroids more so than burning fat. Would a meal with fat and protein point the body towards using those fibroids as fuel?

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
09 Jan 2013 16:47 #14803 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: why a fatty meal before a fast?
Welcome with your first pose dear Renee!

Unfortunately a fibroid consists of a lot of collagen on top of some muscle and fat. Whilst the muscle (and the fat) may be catabolized as a result of the fast, there's preciously little motivation for your body to break down the fibers. Really long fasts may achieve this but the response is unpredictable and of course any long fast needs expert supervision. One can try indeed a meal rich in collagen (such as ligaments and the tendons of muscles) at the onset of a fast to point your metabolism towards the collagen part of the fibroid also. It would be a very interesting experiment indeed. IF you decide to try, do get measurements of the fibroids before and after the fast.. for example with ultrasound.

I would be keenly interested in the outcome.

André

All my posts are "generic", based on my opinions and experiences only and are not intended to replace the advice of your own licensed medical practitioner.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
09 Jan 2013 17:56 #14809 by reneesensei
reneesensei replied the topic: why a fatty meal before a fast?
Thank you doctor! I'll try a meal rich in collagen and report my after fast sonogram results. My last sonogram revealed several small fibroids with the two largest ones measuring 4cm and 5cm respectively.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
09 Jan 2013 23:00 #14824 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: why a fatty meal before a fast?
4 and 5 cm is quite large dear Renèe.. so it would be wize to make peace with the idea that they might need surgery. They likely took many years to get to that size. As tissues age, they "settle in their ways" and might just be less amenable to natural treatment. But of course you should try this approach (collagen followed by fasting) for a few cycles and see what happens.

there are other techniques such as deep meditation/hypnosis with visualization that some people find beneficial.. but the womb has a fascinating healing ability so it often returns to completely normal after a fibroid (or 6) have been excised.

André

All my posts are "generic", based on my opinions and experiences only and are not intended to replace the advice of your own licensed medical practitioner.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
14 Jan 2013 11:24 #14901 by reneesensei
reneesensei replied the topic: why a fatty meal before a fast?
Yes, the fibroids are starting to get a little uncomfortable, so I'm planning to have the surgery in the spring. I was just interested in seeing if fasting could help since I will have regular sonogram s until my surgery.

Thanks again!

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
11 Sep 2013 18:46 #18257 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: why a fatty meal before a fast?
Gr8. Please let us know if at least they shrunk a bit due to fasting.. I believe the blood supply to the fibroids would be reduced by fasting and this should make the surgery easier as well as safer.

André

All my posts are "generic", based on my opinions and experiences only and are not intended to replace the advice of your own licensed medical practitioner.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

Moderators: TheFastDoctor
Time to create page: 0.193 seconds