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28 Sep 2012 16:20 #12752 by david
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I am on day 60ish of 010 nofood-food-nofood intermittent fasting way of life.
Then there is Everyonegetsatrophy who is currently on day 52 and there are a few other 010 ascetics in or on the periphery of our unique little group. We feel that the 010 discipline offers something unequaled and unparalleled compared to other health regimes and therefore remain committed to the experiment. An experiment it is because for most forgoing food every other day remains unchartered territory and it is only over time that the full benefits of this practice are made known. To quote member Everyonegetsatrophy:

Alternate day fasting is becoming almost like breathing. Eat/don't eat...breathe in/breathe out. I don't even think about breakfast on fasting days anymore.

Any new group needs to grow to fuel momentum, interest and achieve critical mass. We wish to achieve 010 critical mass so please join us if you wish to achieve an unprecedented level of health, well-being and bring the proverbial spring back into your step. All you need is a moderate amount of discipline, a strong desire to become super wealthy in $health$ currency and establishing a friendly connection with existing 010 members. Are you ready for action? :) :unsure: :)

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28 Sep 2012 16:53 #12753 by Ockeghem
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David,

I would like to join, but first I want to see where my October fast takes me. After that though, I would really like to attempt the one day on, one day off (010) fasting. What I really like about it is that I am nearly 100% certain that I would be able to continue exercising vigorously during an 010 type of lifestyle.

Question: Have you noticed if the 010 affects your weight in any way? If it does, I would be very interested to hear how so. Thanks.

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28 Sep 2012 17:19 #12755 by david
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Hi Ockeghem regarding the weight loss I have found that even after 60 days on 010 which equates to 30 days without eating because I allow myself light sweetened tea I have only lost a little weight and the weight loss is very progressive but real. However I also found that most weight is lost during the night of the non eating day. The weight then goes back on the next day but more so the later I have my last meal. So in theory I will endeavor to eat my last meal by 10pm however lets say I eat at 10pm or 11pm this results in more food being turned to fat during the night so I wake up with more body fat than if I had an early meal. Were I to eliminate tea altogether and consume just water on my non eating day then I am convinced my weight would be lower than it is now. But guess work is no good so I have to put my money where my mouth is and weigh myself when I am on the 010 just water/food/just water IF rather than low calorie/food/low calorie IF. These stats are important so I will make every effort to achieve my aims. Perhaps the solution for you as you are quite lean is to take the low calorie approach on the non eating day or 'zero' day.

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28 Sep 2012 17:59 #12756 by Ockeghem
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David wrote: Hi Ockeghem regarding the weight loss I have found that even after 60 days on 010 which equates to 30 days without eating because I allow myself light sweetened tea I have only lost a little weight and the weight loss is very progressive but real. However I also found that most weight is lost during the night of the non eating day. The weight then goes back on the next day but more so the later I have my last meal. So in theory I will endeavor to eat my last meal by 10pm however lets say I eat at 10pm or 11pm this results in more food being turned to fat during the night so I wake up with more body fat than if I had an early meal. Were I to eliminate tea altogether and consume just water on my non eating day then I am convinced my weight would be lower than it is now. But guess work is no good so I have to put my money where my mouth is and weigh myself when I am on the 010 just water/food/just water IF rather than low calorie/food/low calorie IF. These stats are important so I will make every effort to achieve my aims. Perhaps the solution for you as you are quite lean is to take the low calorie approach on the non eating day or 'zero' day.

David,

Thank you. That information is very useful. I am going to continue to give the 010 some serious thought. It really does sound like a good way to fast.

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28 Sep 2012 18:29 #12758 by TheFastDoctor
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Ideally, of course, we should look way beyond weight. We should check muscle mass, organ weight, etc.. not very practical in all circumstances but I bought a "Skio" equivalent apparatus on eBay from China for not much money, and it inter alia measures your lean mass, muscle mass, fat percentage, toxin levels, etc.. Although I would never accept that as the final word, it is a useful measure to compare the changes that sets in in your body. Much more than just a scale anyway.

If you look for "Quantum Magnetic Health" analyzer on eBay you'll find a few. I DON'T accept its results at face value, and always check its findings with accepted techniques, but it is VERY useful to follow changes in one person.

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28 Sep 2012 19:19 #12763 by david
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Doctor that is most interesting I also purchased an appliance direct from China recently for making colloidal gold. I am intrigued how such an appliance measures the level of toxicity in the blood and tissues? You make a rally valid point. Weight loss talk is similar to vitamin talk one has to be specific. Thank you.

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28 Sep 2012 20:58 #12764 by Tomotto
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Also interested in the 010 concept..Wondering where Andre's fasts-"kick in"-at-24 hrs. fits in the 010 idea?
I'm also concerned about a too rapid weight loss potential. At 6'2" I weigh in at 137 lbs. (61 kilos).
I'm currently experimenting with weekly 24 (up to 40) hr. fasts. See how that goes.
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28 Sep 2012 21:10 #12765 by david
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Tomotto perhaps that would be too much for you given your low body mass. The idea behind the fast kicking in after 24 hours is that it can take that long for the body to use up its glucose reserves. However once ketosis is activated the body retains the memory for a week so providing you fast within that window your body enters ketosis more quickly than the first time. So it is very possible to experience ketosis regularly on the 010 fast providing on the non eating day you are on just water. Or on the eating day you eat little and on the non eating day you consume less than 500 calories. This is based on the assumption that the fasting state is when the body enters into full ketosis.

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28 Sep 2012 21:18 #12766 by Tomotto
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David, Thanks for the info. Tomotto

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29 Sep 2012 00:27 #12767 by everyonegetsatrophy
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One thing I like about alternate day fasting is you can still carry on a normal work schedule. I think it would be tough to keep up with work demands if one was on an extended fast. I would, however, like to try a longer fast sometime when possible.

Anybody interested in alternate day fasting join the 010 group!

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29 Sep 2012 02:09 #12768 by Ockeghem
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everyonegetsatrophy wrote: One thing I like about alternate day fasting is you can still carry on a normal work schedule. I think it would be tough to keep up with work demands if one was on an extended fast. I would, however, like to try a longer fast sometime when possible.

Anybody interested in alternate day fasting join the 010 group!

I think it would benefit me as far as running long distances is concerned. Since I work in an academic setting (no heavy lifting, for example), I've never had any trouble at work while on an extended fast. But I sure do feel it after that first week or so with regard to running. This time, I'm going to push through it as best I can.

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29 Sep 2012 04:51 #12769 by TheFastDoctor
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David, the theory is that every organ and every chemical has a specific electromagnetic frequency and these analyzers measure this frequency like a radio receiver.

Tomotto, recent research has found that the more rapid you lose the weight, the better you keep it off. I know that flies in the face of tradition but then tradition is not always correct.. But of course if you are underweight you don't wish to lose nor keep off.

Best wishes Ockeghem also!

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29 Sep 2012 06:09 #12770 by david
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David, the theory is that every organ and every chemical has a specific electromagnetic frequency and these analyzers measure this frequency like a radio receiver.


So for £160 for this diagnostic instrument imported from China I can find out if and how much mercury and lead in my system ! I am on to it. But can it also detect mineral deficiencies?

Thanks for bringing this to my attention and I am aware that they are only very general pointers for that price but still a good educational tool.

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29 Sep 2012 06:15 #12771 by david
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Just looking over the specs for this instrument and now I am wondering if it is not purely metaphysical or is there some hard science behind it. I think I saw the same machine in operation 5 years ago in a Mind Body Spirit festival with a price tag that made my heart thump.

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29 Sep 2012 06:29 #12772 by TheFastDoctor
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Indeed David, I would NEVER act on a "diagnosis" made by this instrument, but I have been pleasantly surprised at how it for example pick up nicotine in smokers, memory problems and a few others quite accurately. Then in other cases it is just plain off the mark. Once having taken note of its findings, however, I would confirm them with a scientifically accepted method before acting on them, just as I would with iridology, reflexology, and even my own clinical examinations. Any diagnosis should be verified with an independent method.. we do that even with blood chemistry tests: Use another method to see if it gives the same result.

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29 Sep 2012 08:55 #12773 by david
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I just thought the addition of such an instrument to your lab demonstrates a degree of open mindedness towards alternative medicine which has hitherto not been seen on this forum. I wonder what Leann1 would make of it :)

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29 Sep 2012 16:56 #12780 by Chelsea Girl
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Hi David! A little surprise for you my friend:

Alternate-day fasting in nonobese subjects: effects on body weight, body composition, and energy metabolism - Leonie K Heilbronn, Steven R Smith, Corby K Martin, Stephen D Anton, and Eric Ravussin. Here's the complete PDF file:

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29 Sep 2012 22:35 - 29 Sep 2012 22:36 #12791 by david
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Very good thank you Chelsea Girl:

My comments:

DISCUSSION
Alternate-day fasting may be an alternative to prolonged DR (dietry restricttion)
for increasing the life span (11). In the present study, we report
that alternate-day fasting is feasible for short time periods in
nonobese subjects. One participant reported feeling lightheaded
once, and 4 subjects reported constipation. No subjects withdrew
during the study, but many reported feeling irritable on their
fasting days, perhaps indicating the unlikelihood of continuing
this diet for extended periods of time.


Results are encouraging but easy to pick holes. Reason being that they took 8 subjects who were apparently not experienced fasters resulting in detox symptoms which are commensurate with their lack of detox hours. So I would not necessarily go along with the assertion that the practice is 'feasible for short time periods' On the contrary I would say that the longer the practice the better you would end up feeling once the body has been purged of ambient toxicity. The experiment was also run over a relatively short period 22 days which in concrete terms implies 11 fast days unless I have misread the report. This is too short a period IMO to achieve any meaningful results this is why I feel the Horizon Documentary Eat Fast and Live Longer can be taken seriously because the test subjects were long term alternate day fasters even though they did consume restricted calories on the non eating day. And the scientist's (who was running the experiment) comments were: 'they are not just different people but a different species' wouldn't you just feel great if he was referring to you?

After baseline testing was completed, the subjects fasted from
midnight to the subsequent midnight on alternating days for 22 d.
On each fasting day, the subjects were allowed to consume
energy-free beverages, tea, coffee, and sugar-free gum and were
instructed to keep their water intake high.


Fasting from midnight to midnight subjects did not have the benefit of a whole night on an empty stomach. It has been discussed on this forum that eating late night meals can result in food being stored as fat resulting in inevitable weight gain and poorer quality sleep also the lack of ketosis which is an essential component of fasting. How the energy free beverages such as coffee affected the body was not factored into the stats.

Adding one small meal on a
fasting day may make this approach to dietary restriction more
acceptable.


I concur as this was my note to Ockeghem on a previous post and it may well be the way forward for people who do not have any fat to lose but would like to experience 010 long term.

....observed that mice
fed every other day consumed the same total energy as did ad
libitum fed animals and had similar body weights but had reduced
glucose and insulin concentrations and increased resistance
to endotoxic stress (11).


So if a parallel can be drawn between mice and humans a 010 faster would consume the same energy as a non 010er meaning that they would probably eat more on their eating day to compensate for the non eating day. The 010ers would have a similar body weight to a non 010er (all things being equal as they are in mice) And the added bonus according to this study for 010ers would be reduced blood sugar and insulin and increased resistance to toxic waste from dead microbes. But I would suggest that there are numerous other benefits too such as increased resistance to environmental stress factors as well as but not limited to less Brownian Static between the virgin code reader and the code (metaphorically speaking) ;)

Alternate-day fasting may therefore be an alternative to prolonged
DR as a method of increasing maximal life span.


I would suggest that alternate day fasting or 010 is the more wholesome option as forcing dietry restriction on the body may cause emotional imbalance and ultimately lead to anorexia or some other eating disorder. I base this premise on a psychological phenomenon which is spelled out in The Path of Least Resistance by Robert Fritz. The 010 approach on the other hand is subtle enough to bypass the inherent pitfalls of Dietry Restriction.

Nice one Chelsea Girl

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30 Sep 2012 02:22 #12796 by TheFastDoctor
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Let's hope we can recruit an adequate number of participants in 0-1-0 plus then an academic institution open minded enough to approve a formal research project to evaluate its effect. Ideally we'll have a group with CR every other day (as some studies use in defining 0-1-0) and one really fasting about 30-36 hours every second day.

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30 Sep 2012 09:50 #12798 by david
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Good point Doctor if we got a solid team together of committed 010ers then it may be an attractive proposition. I think this practice appears harder than it is but I am eager for the group to grow.

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