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intermittent fasting after bypass surgery

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01 Feb 2010 14:51 #4319 by jogeshwar
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Life style changes after bypass surgery.Can intermittent fasting be added to it?

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01 Feb 2010 15:03 #4321 by TheFastDoctor
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MOST definitely! I believe this is one way to maximize the benefits and to safeguard the bypass grafts from damage. They are sometimes more prone to plaque formation than the original arteries so cleansing them regularly by getting your blood into a fat absorbing state would be a sure way of preventing buildup.

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01 Feb 2010 15:51 #4322 by jogeshwar
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Thanks.I had bypass surgery on December 29,2009. Recovery is steady.No other complication.Since when I may start fasting and at what intervals?

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01 Feb 2010 19:23 #4323 by TheFastDoctor
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A regular weekly 30-60 hour fast is safe from the outset. Bear in mind that during surgery you likely were on vein feeding for a few days anyway. I have seen many surgical wounds heal better in fasting than eating individuals. This is likely because your body, in the fasting state, use your own (human) proteins to heal wounds; in the eating state it tries to use the proteins you have eaten. You really need only a few grams to heal the wounds even of a bypass surgery and now, more than a month later, at least structural healing is complete. Some remodeling of the wounds might still take place but these, in my experience, is done even better (with less overgrowth of scar tissue) in fasting individuals.

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02 Feb 2010 07:26 #4324 by jogeshwar
jogeshwar replied the topic: Re:intermittent fasting after bypass surgery
Thanks.But then certain medicine is prescribed by the cardiologist to be taken before taking food and other medicines are to be taken after food. On the day of fasting can the medicines be taken in empty stomach?

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02 Feb 2010 09:43 #4325 by TheFastDoctor
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Understood.

Most medicines can be taken while fasting, particularly short fasts (where the drug is not given enough time to irritate the stomach) but of course each chemical needs to be evaluated in its own right. If you are willing to send a list of prescription drugs, I could consider them individually.

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02 Feb 2010 13:54 #4326 by jogeshwar
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Thanks.
1.Pantocid-before food,morning and night
2.Amifro-After break fast
3Deplatt A 75-After break fast
4.Becosules- After break fast
5.Cordarone-After dinner
6.Atorlip-After dinner
7Combiflam-If pain

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03 Feb 2010 22:47 #4332 by TheFastDoctor
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Thanks and apologies for the delay in answering.
Unfortunately the commercial names mentioned are mostly unknown internationally. Could I be so bold as to request you give the generic names? That would expedite matters because else I will have to Google each of them to confirm their content.. I do know Cordarone contains Amiodarone, which will be safe in fasting, and Atorlip might be Atorvastatin but I am not quite sure..

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04 Feb 2010 04:57 #4340 by jogeshwar
jogeshwar replied the topic: Re:intermittent fasting after bypass surgery
Thanks.I will get the generic names from my cardiologist in the next visit.3Deplatt A 75-After break fast is asprin.

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04 Feb 2010 09:19 #4342 by TheFastDoctor
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Thanks. I'm sure you can also get the generic names on the Internet. It would make sense for Deplatt to be Aspirin.. the 75 mg dosage is universally used for this now. And although theoretically Aspirin can irritate the stomach, such a low dose is very unlikely to do it: In the olden days we used up to 10 grams per day (about 150 of those tablets!) in disease like juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. And bear in mind, aspirin should actually be classified as a "vitamin" as it occurs naturally in all plants, thus we fruitarians gets the equivalent of a few of your tablets every day anyway..

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05 Feb 2010 07:41 #4359 by jogeshwar
jogeshwar replied the topic: Re:intermittent fasting after bypass surgery
Thanks for guidance.Here are the generic names of every medicine found out from google
1.Pantocid/pantoprazole
2.Amifru-s/Fusemide IP +spironolactone IP
3.Deplatt A 75/clopidogrel+asprin
4.B complex forte +Vitamin C
5.Cordarone/Amiodarone
6-ATORLIP-EZ /

Atorvastatin+Ezetimibe
7.Combiflam/ibuprofen+paracetamol

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05 Feb 2010 14:43 #4362 by TheFastDoctor
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1.Pantocid/pantoprazole : This is a proton pump inhibitor. It destroy the ability of the G-cells in the stomach to produce HCl (Hydrochloric acid), so that the stomach content is less acid. One important side effect is that your own enzymes (in particular pepsin and proteases) no lunger function well, and food may remain undigested.
But at the same time it has an effect similar to a meal, which would serve to neutralize some of the HCl during the digestive process. Continuing this drug during a fast will "protect" your stomach to the possible side effects of the others, making it in general terms safe to take them all during a fast.

2.Amifru-s/Fusemide IP +spironolactone IP

Both frusemide (Furosemide) and spironolactone are diuretics. They destroy the ability of the tubular cells in the kidney, to re-absorb water from the "primary filtrate". Thus you lose water that the body would normally have re-absorbed. Personally I find it rather difficult to appreciate the rationale of this class of drug as its entire effect is negated simply by drinking another glass or 2 of water. BUT they have been found quite effective in improving the signs and symptoms of heart failure and are totally safe to use during a fast. Frusemide cause loss of potassium but spironolactone (a steroid) cause potassium retention so theoretically their side effects balance out.

3.Deplatt A 75/clopidogrel+asprin

Both Clopidrogel and Aspirin reduce the "stickiness" of blood platelets, so you are considerably less prone to form blood clots. You are then of course also more prone to bleed. Theoretically large doses of Aspirin can contribute to stomach ulcers, but not
- for a short period of fasting (less than say 2 weeks)
- in the low dosages used here (75 milligrams- see my previous entry) and
- In the presence of Pantoprazole.

4.B complex forte +Vitamin C

I am on record as almost blankly opposing the idea of "supplements". There are no scientifically verified data that they do anything more than swell the bank accounts of the "manufacturers". Vitamins, once removed from their natural "ambience" often do more harm than good. You should get them from your diet.

5.Cordarone/Amiodarone

Amiodarone (as mentioned before) is quite safe on an empty stomach, particularly under the circumstances mentioned under (3) above.

6-ATORLIP-EZ Atorvastatin+Ezetimibe

Atorvastatin is a chemical that poisons one of the enzymes your body employ to produce cholesterol. Thus the liver cannot make as much clolesterol as it tried to. In this way the measured blood levels of cholesterol is reduced. It is often prescribed to be taken on an empty stomach anyway. In some people it causes severe muscle inflammation, even "rhabdomyolysis" or breakdown of muscles. But in most people it is quite safe.

Ezetemibe blocks the ability of the cells in your gut to absorb the cholesterol you have eaten. Not necessary to use when you don't eat!

7.Combiflam/ibuprofen+paracetamol[/quote]

Paracetamol is universally safe in fasting people. Americans tend to call it Acetaminophen, jut to be different from the rest of the world. It blocks the effect of certain Prostaglandins, so that the nerves does not send as many pain messages.

Ibuprofen is a more potent prostaglandin antagonist, which also reduces inflammation. Theoretically it can predispose you to the development of stomach ulcers, but this has not been observed to happen in the real world like it does with most other drugs in this class.

Since both these drugs are exclusively symptomatic treatment for perceived pain, it is NOT necessary to take regularly. Perhaps best avoided during a fast, although once more the Pantoprazole neutralizes the danger or at least reduce it drastically.

In conclusion: Even with this little pharmacy of drugs, it should be quite safe to fast. During the fast you will likely need less of the purely symptomatic drugs anyway. But maintain the pantoprazole for now and keep the fasts short (less than a week at a time) for extra security I would suggest.

André

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06 Feb 2010 07:07 #4376 by jogeshwar
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Thanks for paying attention.Will you please clarify the following?

"(less than a week at a time) for extra security I would suggest."

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06 Feb 2010 08:56 #4379 by TheFastDoctor
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I suggested, dear Jogeshwar, that the duration of your fast is less than a week at a time.

Fasting say every second week or 3-4 days per week every week for a few months gives you in effect the same benefit as one long fast but would be safer for someone on medication.. amongst others, it prevents your stomach from being exposed only to the very concentrated chemical activity of the drugs.

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06 Feb 2010 09:47 #4381 by jogeshwar
jogeshwar replied the topic: Re:intermittent fasting after bypass surgery
Thanks.I think your earlier concept is OK for me,that is,

"1. More than 24 hours
2. Not ingesting any nutrients, thus
3. NO taste"

once a week.I do not think heaven will fall if I skip over medication for 24+hours,that is, on the day of fast.

I am already running 6 weeks after surgery.

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