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29 Jun 2011 02:12 #8081 by superhuman
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Hello

Anyone tried this? seems like its very popular and have helped alot of people. I know they say urine fast is better then water fast.

What are the pros and cons do you guys think?

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29 Jun 2011 23:52 #8095 by TheFastDoctor
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I have studied this "urine therapy" thing before, and decided never to participate nor promote it.

IF your urine contained anything that is good for you, your kidneys would have re-absorbed it in the second phase of urine production (In the renal tubule, which is located just beyond the glomerulus).

Besides the physiological considerations, I do think this is very aesthetically questionable.

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29 Jun 2011 23:56 #8096 by superhuman
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I agree with you, the only thing is that so many people benefit from it :p

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30 Jun 2011 00:16 #8098 by david
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SO many people say that they have benefited from it but the only thing we can go by are reports of people who have been tested in an controlled environment. There are such studies from a university in India but you will have to Google it as I don't know which one off the top of my head, but it might be Bihar University in conjunction with the Bihar school of Yoga. Yes many people practice it and many people drink Alkaline water which to me is also questionable. And many people consume many health products which have no health value at all.

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30 Jun 2011 00:22 #8099 by TheFastDoctor
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True David. That's why medicines need to pass "double-blind, placebo-controlled" trials before being accepted. I have seen how people in Africa benefit from visits to the Witch Doctor, provided they believe in them..

Urine tends to be acid, the human blood serum is slightly alkaline. Be careful, the users might get better not because of, but in spite of ingesting excreted fluids..

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01 Jul 2011 01:19 #8113 by LavenderGrass
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Ha! I read everything (Milena if you're reading) ;)
So as an ayurvedic practitioner I have recommended urine therapy for others and i have done it myself to fix my messed up digestion after a jungle trip couple years back. Ayurvedic anatomy and physiology is different from western approach. In a BIG nutshell - we have 5 winds moving within our body. when we sleep the 'downward moving wind' is most active - leading to draining of the nutrients (more like energetic and cellular memories) through the urine. by taking some of the morning urine this downward moving action gets checked and the body gets a chance to note what it is losing. This can help bring about a corrective action on an endocrine and even cellular level to preserve such vital nutrients and control the excessive winds in the body. Funny enough your own urine is diuretic, laxative and promotes healing of tissues internally and externally, it balances digestion and helps dispel parasites, and its great for allergies. your suppose to do this only with the mid flow - morning urine. It is a subtle therapy for vata (wind) disorders mostly. Its not something that we just do for fun here and there. This is also why we call it alternative therapy ;) and if you are more interested here is a good article: www.ayahuasca-wasi.com/2011/urine-therapy/

David: whats wrong with drinking alkaline water? That's what I drink ph of 8+ I feel way better than when i drink acidic 5.5pH water.

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01 Jul 2011 01:22 #8114 by superhuman
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Did the Urine Therapy work for you LavenderGrass?
Im not into the whole Alkaline water, i have a machine myself but i havent notice any different from that or distilled water so im not sure what to believe. Alkaline water hasnt been around for long but that is distilled

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01 Jul 2011 01:30 - 01 Jul 2011 02:40 #8115 by david
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BTW urine is quite acidic. Thanks for sharing your experience of how it is used in Ayurveda this is the first time I came across this explanation even though I have encountered many people who consume their own water.

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01 Jul 2011 01:59 #8116 by LavenderGrass
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yes superhuman - it did, i took it to improve my messed up digestion after i did a difficult plant diet in the jungle. If you are a vegetarian or a vegan and dont drink coffee, your urine has nearly no odor and no taste.

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01 Jul 2011 02:05 #8117 by LavenderGrass
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thanks David, it depends on your diet, i remember in nursing we were pH testing our pee in school, if you drink coke, coffee, eat meat and fried foods your ph will be way more acidic then if you have a fruit diet. - coolness all around about our human body - miracle machine. normal pH is like 7 no? i think so. Bless All.

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01 Jul 2011 02:06 #8118 by superhuman
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Ok great. Maybe im gonna try it for fun, seems discusting tho :p
And it helped? for how long did you do it?

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01 Jul 2011 02:53 #8121 by LavenderGrass
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i did it for two weeks :) and then when i got better i got to experiment more just to see how the diet affects it, i say NO COFFEE or alcohol for at least 4 days - other wise it will be very difficult (taste that is) - you can also drink lemon grass tea which is great a great diuretic and herbal supplement. hmmm... now that i did my fast and this topic came up i want to see what the pH is and who knows may be give it another go. Oh also - wait like 5 - 10 min before brushing your teeth after you drink it - other wise you might end up getting toothpaste in your stomach totally wrecking the whole thing. wait with drinking water as well 5 to 10 min. Whats your reason for wanting to try it? oh you said it - fun ;)

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01 Jul 2011 03:09 #8122 by david
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Should this topic go under the spiritual fasting Main Category? I ask this as it does not fit in with water fast or dry fast or juice feast.... And most people I know who are into Amaroli are also into Yoga and consciousness etc.

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01 Jul 2011 03:49 #8123 by LavenderGrass
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good question. its under medical opinion now. most people i think would want to have it with the medical stuff, but i see how it would also fit in the yoga realm - for sure.
yeah... spiritual fasting - alternative therapies (does that exist) - main category...sounds good.
hahahha... you could put it under juice fasting ;)

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03 Jul 2011 02:25 #8139 by TheFastDoctor
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Juice dieting is likely what you mean.. you should not say you fast when you drink juice.. well, I am not a cannibal so I would not drink the juice expressed from humans, not even if I am that human..

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03 Jul 2011 03:03 #8141 by david
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"I would not drink the juice expressed from humans, not even if I am that human.."

Nice poetic turn of phrase Doctor, but are we not splitting hairs? The main difference between autolysis and autocannibalism is an 'air gap' ?

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03 Jul 2011 04:03 #8142 by TheFastDoctor
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True, David.. but our kidneys would surely have drained directly into our intestines if we were to benefit from the liquid they produce.. like the adapted cloaca of animals living in very dry environments. There is PLENTY of opportunity in the kidney to re-absorb from the primary filtrate all that we need or could use.

The final product (urine) is about 1 per cent of what is filtered out initially. Within the first functional part of the kidney, about 200 litres leave the blood every day, most of which is re-absorbed. What is not re-absorbed is discarded for a reason. And we are not wise enough yet to tell Mother Nature that she made a mistake..

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03 Jul 2011 10:20 #8146 by david
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Oh I do get your point and I don't know enough about the arguments in favour of Urine therapy to have a discussion on the topic but I do know that Bear Grylls and his rival Ray Mears advocate Urine drinking when caught up in a sticky situation with no water. If it was too toxic I doubt that the BBC would have allowed them to demonstrate that part on TV

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03 Jul 2011 10:36 #8147 by Milena
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I don't know much about it either since I would never do it, unless I had to. However, my aunt swore by it. She had done several courses. It was pretty popular form of therapy in Russia. She was even told by an alternative therapy doctor to boil it and then put in the fridge to drink in certain increments. I don't remember all the details but she said it helped her a lot with whatever health issue she was dealing at the time.

Personally I will dry fast for 2 weeks before drinking urine, but I am sure many people will drink urine before they'd fast for 2 weeks because they would feel it's safer..:)

By the way, we should create an Alternative Therapies topic and move it there. This is definitely purely physiological and health related topic with no spiritual benefits to it...;)

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03 Jul 2011 11:02 - 03 Jul 2011 11:07 #8149 by david
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OK it is under alternative health but main section is spiritual. So which main section should it come under then we don't have room for another MAIN tab? (how about natural hygiene section)

I also know that they use urine to make nosodes in homeopathy,
It is used externally on wounds and skin issues. I have heard of someone who only washes with urine rather than soap including using it as a shampoo. I have heard of it used in compresses in folk remedies.Russian cows urine added to soaps. And I had a medical article which I have filed away where it was injected into a patient to help with ulcers or something similar.

To top all else I knew this Doctor Christian Schaller (family acquaintance) A swiss medical doctor who lectured on its health benefits to HIV positives claiming that it could eradicate or minimalize the virus.

lets see if there is any info on this chap. Ah yes here I found something: www.sidasante.com/markcv/unesco.htm

He has even written a book on the subject which became a best seller in Cameroon forcing the government to ban urine drinking as stated in this Daily Telegraph article of 2003
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/afric...-urine-drinkers.html

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