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22 Jun 2014 16:16 #22334 by david
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22 Jun 2014 16:27 #22335 by TheFastDoctor
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Indeed Excess Protons dear David.. a positively charged Hydrogen atom (ion) is just that- a proton. When we measure the concentration of Hydrogen ions in a solution, we refer to that as "potenz H" or pH. When Hydrogen loses its solitary electron, only one proton is left. That's how we define acids.

Proteins, of course, are pure acids.. Amino acids. Carbohydrates are alkaline in nature. All becomes rather complex.

But I do remain very, very scared of any practice promoting "alternative"s. we should take hands with all approaches and distill out what is appropriate for each individual. "Complementary" therefore remains a better approach than "alternative". I recently encountered again a patient who was fully cured of an imminently fatal form of leukaemia. He was given a full course of chemotherapy. So although barely 2% of cancer survival is ascribable to chemotherapy, it can sometimes save an individual's life. Thus, under the right circumstances, we should embrace it.

Certain "supplements" have been proven to increase mortality. Beta carotene and Calcium comes to mind. I recently found a large study that concluded calcium supplements to increase mortality by as much as 25%.

Nothing, yet, beats fasting.

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22 Jun 2014 16:58 #22336 by david
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Doctor I have heard that about Calcium and would that also apply to the Calcium rich Dolomite water found in your region?

I also agree that each case of severe illness should be looked at as an individual case but the real issue is who is out there who is sufficiently qualified and open minded enough to guide that person to the most appropriate therapy. If Chemo is only 2% effective then it would appear that the practice has failed patients 98% of time? What we are really lacking in are experts in both alternative and allopathic treatments which would of course make them experts in the field of complimentary medicine. Where does one go to find these people?

Agreed fasting is the pick of the crop but in my opinion only if it is adopted as a lifestyle or put into practice enough times throughout the year to make a difference. But it does have something in common with Chemo in that I would hazard a guess that it is also only 2% effective in that only 2% of people stick with it over a long period of time at least if the site stats are anything to go by. And it also has its inherent dangers in that fasters invariably break fast very poorly sometimes to have a party and continue the following day. This appears counter productive on many levels. It has also been known to alter the metabolic rate so that people put on weight much quicker post fast. However conducted in the right way following a few basic ground rules intermittent fasting is without a doubt the Mother of all Diets and health regimens especially as it is so inclusive and complementary which cannot be said of the majority of other Diets and health fads.

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22 Jun 2014 22:00 #22337 by loquat1
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@ David

you mention chemo but as far as I am aware there are 2-3 other options

You mean like radiation 'therapy'? Talk about a contradiction in terms.

I wish nothing but the best for the patient mentioned by the Doc who has been cured by chemo. But I have a couple of questions:

1. Are we quite certain we are not confusing remission with cure?
2. If this patient should die 5 years and 1 day after he has been declared cured, does he still count as a cure in the cure rate stats for chemo, which is already conceded to be no more than an appalling 2%?

If the Doc's answer to Q2 is yes, then I hope I'm forgiven if I question his definition of 'cure'. Chemo may have bought this patient more time, but 'cure' should mean that he ultimately dies from a cause other than leukemia.

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23 Jun 2014 00:30 #22338 by Elizabeth C
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My husband was diagnosed with Stage 4 Lymphoma in 1995. He took 24 rounds of chemo over 6 months and has never had a reoccurrence. The cancer disappeared. The doctor says he is cured. We think so too. It will be 20 years next year!

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23 Jun 2014 02:12 #22339 by Elizabeth C
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Just a comment regarding chemo cure..I realize it is out of context in regards to the original post.

I do like to share this info though as it may give hope to someone who may be going through something similar.
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23 Jun 2014 08:03 #22340 by loquat1
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That's great news Lizzie, & I hope he continues to be lymphoma-free into ripe old age. But if I had the misfortune to be diagnosed with any cancer, chemo would still be the last treatment I would consider.

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23 Jun 2014 13:03 - 23 Jun 2014 13:04 #22341 by Ockeghem
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Loquat and David,

You might be interested in what Al Carter (Reboundology) discovered when some of his clients began to rebound (as in high intensity trampoline jumping) regularly. He has documented cases whereby various cancers went into remission. And in a few cases once a person ceased rebounding, the cancers returned. It has to do with 'stretching' (meaning stressing via exercise) the billions (trillions?) of cells in our bodies as a result of this activity.

Here is some introductory information on Carter's "Healthy Cell Concept" and how he believes it can combat cancer.

rebound-air.com/books-by-al-carter/the-c...r-by-albert-e-carter

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23 Jun 2014 15:09 - 23 Jun 2014 15:11 #22343 by loquat1
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Thx Ock. So by extension, any exercise could also be effective? I've heard it said many times that a healthy lifestyle that includes regular exercise reduces your risk of cancer, so there must be something in it.

With apologies to kleshanam for going OT, despite my advocacy of alternative remedies above, I wanna make it clear for the record that I share the Doc's views as far as the efficacy of fasting is concerned. Fasting will always be my first port of call as far as cancer cures go. I would only use proven alternative therapies as back-up or last resort if all else failed.

Interestingly, the originator of this thread mentions that he was:

treated for non hodgkins lymphoma in 1994 and take thyroid supplement as thyroid
was damaged in radiation


Case in point about the damage inflicted by so-called 'conventional' medicine? I say again, it is barbaric, and 50 or 100 years down the road medical historians we look back at these treatments and shake their heads in disbelief at what we tolerated in the name of medical orthodoxy.

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23 Jun 2014 15:12 #22344 by TheFastDoctor
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Very interesting link dear Ockeghem but of course if we do not have independent academic oversight of these "trials" we do not know how far the reports are fiction. For example, what criteria did they use to label the cancer "in remission" and how were they deemed to have "returned"? Plus, were these observations confirmed by independent parties?

Cancers come and go all the time, sometimes in spite of, rather than because of, our interventions. Thus one intervention is only considered superior to another if it consistently give better results statistically...

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23 Jun 2014 19:10 - 23 Jun 2014 19:22 #22348 by Ockeghem
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André,

Agreed. I think you would find the book an interesting read.

On somewhat of a related note, here is an interesting study on the effects of fasting on the regeneration of stem cells. This is something I have believed to be true for years. Still, it is good to see these findings published in a reputed journal. :)

news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers-stem...d-old-immune-system/

Loquat,

Hey, did you write the article? Check this out. ;)

"While chemotherapy saves lives, it causes significant collateral damage to the immune system. The results of this study suggest that fasting may mitigate some of the harmful effects of chemotherapy," said co-author Tanya Dorff, assistant professor of clinical medicine at the USC Norris Comprehensive Cancer Center and Hospital. "More clinical studies are needed, and any such dietary intervention should be undertaken only under the guidance of a physician."

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23 Jun 2014 19:16 #22349 by anywho
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Nice article Ock
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23 Jun 2014 21:03 #22352 by loquat1
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Well, I did write something very similar above which also makes reference to damaged immune systems. But this is nothing new - medics have known about the 'collateral damage' for a long time.

The real scandal is that as far as chemo is concerned, nothing much has changed for the last 60-odd years. Still, it's encouraging to note the increasing awareness of the benefits of fasting within mainstream medicine.

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23 Jun 2014 22:39 #22354 by david
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@ Ockeghem "You might be interested in what Al Carter (Reboundology) discovered when some of his clients began to rebound " Thanks for this Ock I do my own version of this without a rebounder and am eager to find out more. I do believe it is one of the best physical activities one can do.

@ Loquat I like your stance its pretty hard core. I agree in 20+ years we will look back at some of our current medical practices and wonder why on earth 21c medicine never advanced beyond the stone age and even that is an insult to our beleguered ancestors.

@ Elizabeth thank you for your valuable input and am indeed pleased to hear that your husband is in good health. Personally I think too much of a meal is made of cancer. I read a book entitled Cancer is not a Disease by Andreas Moritz yes the same chap mentioned in connection with the Liver cleanse. Somewhere in the book he states that our bodies regularly create cancer and that it then goes away of its own accord. A bit like ants raiding the kitchen. Here today gone tomorrow kind of thing. I certainly don't chase ants away or spray them with Jif.

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24 Jun 2014 05:35 #22357 by anywho
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Dear Dr Kruger,

I found an interesting picture today here:

www.bjs.co.uk/details/media/1039879/Gall...-abdominal-wall.html

I want to repeat Dr Shelton's words:

"Another daring engineering feat is often accomplished by nature in the case of gallstones that are too large to pass through the bile duct directly into the small intestine. She frequently causes the gallbladder to adhere, by means of inflammation, to the wall of the intestine. An ulcer forms, making a hole through both the wall of the gallbladder and the wall of the intestine. The stone slips through into the intestine and passes out with the stools. The hole heals up and all is well again. In other cases the stone may be sent out through the abdominal wall and skin, on the outside of the body."

Can this be what he was talking about?

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24 Jun 2014 08:07 #22358 by loquat1
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Whoah! Well I never. Seems truth can indeed sometimes be stranger than fiction. Well, at least I was (almost) right about the pain.

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24 Jun 2014 23:26 #22365 by david
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@loquat This thread is becoming surreal. When Natural Hygienist John Fielder who manages a water fasting retreat in Cairns came to give a series of talks in London he showed a slide of a fasting client who had been diagnosed with lung cancer. The slides depicted a progression from disease to health. images of the skin on her back opening up and the cancerous growth being thrust out and then the wound healing up afterwards. This happened over a period of approximately 4 weeks of supervised fasting.

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25 Jun 2014 04:50 #22373 by TheFastDoctor
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Thanks for the reference Anywho.. very interesting indeed. I would love to read the medical files of this "case".

But remember the exception is often there to prove the rule. Many people have died of biliary peritonitis, and this case was likely worthy of publishing because it is so exceptionally unusual and rare. Thus Shelton's "other cases", well, i wish he gave percentages....

I for one would not take any chance with any compromise of the gall bladder wall. It's really tragic to "open up" an abdomen and face biliary peritonitis... you can see the years of agonizing suffering ahead. Thus I will still opt for the old proven surgical intervention..

Yo are right, David, fasting remains the most omnipotent curative intervention but even there, we should remain vigilant and be open to the possible need to revert to orthodox intervention if necessary.

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25 Jun 2014 07:49 #22382 by loquat1
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@ David - I remember some links posted by the Doc in a previous exchange that also referenced the connexion between fasting and its curative effects on cancer patients. As I said, fasting will always be my first port of call before I put anything in my mouth.

But yes, this phenomenon of being expelled thru a subcutaneous breach is a new one on me. Proves the point that if left to its own devices, the human body has the most amazing capacity for self-healing, including ways that are anti-intuitive and even utterly bizarre.

Ironically, I still find it easier to believe that fasting can cure cancer than remove gallstones!

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26 Jun 2014 09:24 #22391 by loquat1
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@ David - Speaking of fraud in 'scientific' trials, you might wanna take a look at this.
www.naturalnews.com/045726_research_frau...-based_medicine.html

And if you think this is a one-off, then think again. I also recall a Horizon doc. just a couple of years ago that exposed a fraudulent uni-based US researcher in the field of 'targeted' chemo. People actually died coz of this fraud, so it's not just a theoretical or academic issue.

Remember the Tamiflu fiasco? This article, written by an 'insider', gives just a hint of the extent of the problem:
www.theguardian.com/business/2014/apr/10...ug-trials-big-pharma

So I hope you will excuse the cynicism you thought you had detected in a previous post of mine. When one eye is constantly fixed on the bottom line, the temptation to subvert a scientific enterprise is just too strong.

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