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10 Jan 2014 09:32 - 10 Jan 2014 09:32 #19473 by david
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Hello Doctor. I went for a dental checkup yesterday and my bottom rear molar (no7) was diagnosed as lifeless and extraction or a root canal treatment was recommended.

As I could not make up my mind I asked the dentist to clean out the rot which was on the level of the pulp chamber and then to put in a temporary filling. This tooth has been broken and without a filling for a few years and has not given me any reason for concern until a couple of days ago when my jaw got inflamed. The x-ray showed that the bone under the tooth was infected. (very localised)

The question is: can prolonged or regular intermittent fasting sufficiently boost the immune system for it to deal with the infection in the bone ?

and for the body to pump life back into the two canals? Presumably even if the nerves are dead the blood vessels could still be alive?

Or at least deal with mopping out (and dealing with bacteria from) any dead debris in the canals? (connective tissue, blood vessels and nerves)

For anyone who has suffered intolerable inflammation sparked off by a dodgy tooth I found that cayenne pepper in very hot water sipped slowly brought the swelling down. I have no idea why that worked though.

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10 Jan 2014 12:07 #19476 by TheFastDoctor
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Indeed dear David I would embrace the root canal treatment. It is very localized and surrounded by bone so even if antibiotics need to be instilled into the canal they do not spread widely into the circulation. Intermittent fasting could be quite helpful but a longer fast has a very potent effect in helping the body clear out these canals. But no the life cannot be restored as the bone around these canals holds it cells captive within the bone matrix. As these cells have nowhere to go should they multiply again, they are basically trapped in their little islands.

Root canals were necessary to form the teeth in the first place but they are not essential for mature teeth so by all means you could have them treated the orthodox way without feeling you kill something...

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10 Jan 2014 12:13 #19477 by david
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Thank you Doctor for the prompt reply.
Do you think with adequate fasting the root canal treatment can be avoided and the tooth kept in its current condition? That is a dead tooth with a filling.

Also can fasting help accelerate healing the infection in the bone below the damaged tooth?

Thank you!

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10 Jan 2014 13:06 #19479 by TheFastDoctor
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Unfortunately dear David by the time a root canal is exposed the damage is done and irreversible (in orthodox medical/dental terms anyway). Whilst we know that practically anything is possible with fasting, I fear that postponing definitive treatment may cause irreversible damage to the surrounding tooth.

As for infection below the tooth, indeed fasting should help but once again bone is a rather difficult customer.. I would not bargain on that.

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10 Jan 2014 17:28 #19481 by david
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Thank you Doctor! By 'irreversible damage' I assume you mean that there is very little chance of there being any surviving blood vessels in the canals or any chance of them being revived? Then the canals remain a constant threat as they can harbour anaerobic bacteria which can exit via the base of the roots. Charming…..

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11 Jan 2014 10:51 #19495 by TheFastDoctor
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Unfortunately, dear David, you are just about perfectly correct.

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12 Jan 2014 23:37 #19519 by Lisafast
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That's a bummer David. I wish you luck with that, whatever you decide. I'm sure fasting will help with healing and recovery from the root canal. I hope you are not in too much pain.

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13 Jan 2014 00:20 #19522 by david
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Thanks Lisafast. I am trying a bunch of stuff will update the thread if I get a breakthrough. Nearly everyone advises to get a root canal treatment but I have also read reports that even root canal treatment doesn't always outwit the smart 'nano' critters. :)

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13 Jan 2014 06:53 #19525 by Mystic
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I thought root canals were toxic? I hope things improve swiftly for you. I just have teeth removed rather then worry about further issues down the track. I love it as I never have to worry about a tooth problem there again and it allows easier cleaning for the ones left behind. I have 5 gone but so far none at the front. My dentist doesn't approve, hehe :)

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13 Jan 2014 08:59 #19527 by david
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No you have removed a source of income from your dentist so he wouldn't approve.

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20 Jan 2014 16:19 #19659 by Hermit of the Valley of Silence
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Recently I made stronger my sharing the views of people such us Dr Huggins about root canals and the whole issue of murderous dentistry.
Unfortunately recently I have no access to an alternative dentist and I extracted a broken old root canal from the old times when I knew no better, with no special precautions from the conventional dentist, the only thing the I did right by myself was leaving it bleed abundantly.

Anyhow I was surprised myself by how violently my heart was affected, it was like a weakness, sometimes palpitations. I had no present in memory the info that some kind of bacteria go there to the valves, it was no self-suggestion. I felt very sick in general, so much that next day I put myself in fasting, but after 7 days some obligations made me eat so that I can walk around and talk to people, I was way too weak. Also depressed and angry for this another item in the list of brutalizations done to people.

So the question is that: how good would be fasting to kill these bacteria from root canals. I understand fasting has cured infectious diseases such as apendicitis.

Thank you. I m new to this forum and I m glad I found it.

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20 Jan 2014 18:25 #19662 by david
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Hello and welcome Hermit of the Valley. I moved your post to an existing thread.

I think its worth a try but you probably need to follow other protocols as I am doing to stand a better chance. In my case I am fasting every other day so it has considerably boosted my immune system. Please let us know how you get on with it. This is an important thread.

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20 Jan 2014 19:03 #19666 by TheFastDoctor
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The root canals, dear Hermit, cannot be toxic. They may CONTAIN toxins and sometimes even normal (commensal) bacteria cause havoc if they find themselves in the root canals.

But I personally think "toxic dentistry" is overblown in most cases. I have many amalgam fillings and I believe removing these will release more toxins during the removal procedure than what they will release in a lifetime if left alone. Thus sometimes the dentists convincing people to get their fillings removed do a LOT more harm than good.

Fasting does help your body re-instate a better balance but bacteria trapped in a damaged root canal cannot be reached by your immune system so this is one place where a dentist is often the only option.

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20 Jan 2014 19:19 #19667 by david
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Thank you Doctor good point. If there are no nerves and no connective tissues etc the bacteria can multiply. However their are raging debates on the net about how anaerobic bacteria can never be fully eliminated from the tooth as there are microscopic transverse canals which the anaerobic bacteria adapt to. Ultimately does it not boil down to how the immune system copes with the bacteria which exit the root or whats left of the root into the soft boney tissue? I also heard that when people breath in certain types of dust it causes pulmonary cysts to develop around the particles and bacteria can also develop in these cysts.

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21 Jan 2014 11:54 #19674 by TheFastDoctor
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Indeed David, bacteria loves particles to colonize. And actually small pieces of dead tooth material forms particles similar to those in dust related lung diseases. So you know, once in a blue moon there is some place for orthodox medicine also...

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