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06 Oct 2014 18:04 #23610 by david
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@ loquat Thanks for the trailer vid link.

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06 Oct 2014 18:23 - 06 Oct 2014 18:24 #23611 by loquat1
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@ David - You're welcome.

@ Lizzie - Your friend should also get hold of 'Alive and Well' by Philip E Binzel. He's an evidence-based pioneer in the use of laetrile as a cancer therapy, as well as a regular MD who also had to defend himself against the onslaughts of FDA, et al. I think it might also be available as a free download. Worth a search engine check.
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07 Oct 2014 07:49 #23615 by TheFastDoctor
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Dear Loquat, I believe communist countries like North Korea and Cuba, the latter of which exports doctors all over the world, would be VERY interested in proving ANYTHING to be superior to the dreaded Capitalist inventions of big Pharma. So would several South American countries. Thus I do not accept the "conspiracy theory" in this respect.

Thanks for the reminder Happydays. I am thrilled by your success and it really reinforces the entire fasting movement.

It is true that treatments like radiation and chemotherapy works better on the more "aggressive" types of tumours: These exploit the difference between normal and abnormal cells, with normal ones dividing slower so that they are less affected by treatments that kill cells during division. Fasting makes the division of healthy cells even slower, protecting them even more from these treatments.

Thank you all for sharing.

André

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07 Oct 2014 10:36 #23618 by loquat1
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Yep, I'm familiar with the 'Cuba argument'. You've appealed to it previously, and I'm afraid I remain unconvinced. Exporting doctors all over the world to emergency hot-spots offers no guarantee that any of them will come into contact with the 'alternative community'. In fact, in those situations I would regard such an event as highly improbable.

Much also depends on what you define as a 'conspiracy'. Speaking personally, that word does not sit very comfortably with me, and it would be much better all round if the 'alternatives' jettisoned it altogether. I say this on the basis that the medical authorities, in concert with state agencies, have openly suppressed alternative cures. The records are there for all to see - in the media, court papers, cancer centers, state agency records, etc. etc., and are all fully documented in such books as The Cancer Industry by Ralph W Moss and World Without Cancer by G Edward Griffin, quite apart from those already cited above.

In fact the aforementioned author (Ralph Moss) is a highly respected science writer who was fired by the Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center for refusing to collude with its management in the trashing of the research carried out by Dr Kanematsu Sugiura into the efficacy of laetrile in the treatment of cancer - research which they themselves commissioned (see link below). Dr Sugiura was one of the most highly accredited and respected researchers in the field, but even that was not enough to protect him from the vested interests that could not legally patent a non-toxic cure found in nature.

If you regard people who believe the historical record that documents such shenanigans by the 'establishment' as conspiracy theorists, then I will gladly wear the label despite my misgivings. But you should also bear in mind that it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that something approximating to a conspiracy has indeed occurred in this field. I'm not suggesting that you are part of that conspiracy. I will suggest, however, that you grossly underestimate the power of the profit motive.


www.cancerdefeated.com/newsletters/The-Laetrile-Cover-Up.html

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07 Oct 2014 11:16 #23619 by TheFastDoctor
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Dear Loquat, it is obvious we'll just have to amicably agree to disagree. The implication that some "forces" on this planet are able to disable and "hide" the insights and experience of each and every one of literally millions of medical practitioners and scientists and their knowledge/experience other than the fringes, well, to me it sounds totally and utterly implausible. Particularly in the information age. Many of us can simply not be bribed, blackmailed or in any other way be prevented from speaking (or writing) out.

So no, I do not buy into that.

André

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07 Oct 2014 12:30 #23620 by loquat1
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I fully agree that this debate has just about run its course, and I'm quite happy to end it on amicable terms........but only after making a couple more points by way of conclusion.

Firstly, you have at least partly missed an important point. It is simply not the case that those millions of medical practitioners you refer to are ignorant of 'the truth' as understood by the alternative community. Many of them are only too keenly aware of the truth. Many have written books exposing the corruption they witnessed first hand. Others practice those alternative remedies 'below the radar' for fear of having their licences withdrawn, being thrown into prison, or having their clinics trashed by FDA thugs. These are not just theoretical possibilities. Such sanctions have been, and are still being, deployed against any MD who dares to step out of line.

Secondly, I would invite you to consider what Tanya Harter Pierce refers to as 'The Disbelief Factor', and ask whether you recognize any part of it. I quote her at length:

Another widely held misconception about alternative cancer approaches is that, if they really worked better than the current conventional approaches, doctors and clinics everywhere would be using them. This misconception is at the heart of what I call the "disbelief factor". The disbelief factor is a dynamic that occurs in people's minds when they say, "if there really are natural, non-toxic treatments for cancer that can bring about real, long-term cures, even in cases of late-stage metastasized cancers, then why aren't all doctors using these treatments?"

Finding it hard to understand why all doctors are not using the most effective and least toxic treatments for cancer is not the problem. The real problem arises when a person finds this so hard to believe that [they] simply can't accept the possibility that there could be alternative approaches out there that really work. And when they are told that there are, they often don't listen at all because it is just too preposterous to believe. This is the disbelief factor at work.

For those people with cancer who let the disbelief factor win, it is a tragic situation. Their disbelief keeps them from doing any further research on their own. They trust their doctors, not knowing that their doctors have only been taught the mainstream treatments and usually know nothing of the alternative ones. What these people don't realize is that most doctors are just people who also have a hard time believing in alternative treatments, and who ask, "if these treatments really work, why wasn't I taught them in medical school?"

(Outsmart........p14)

I rest my case for the defence.

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08 Oct 2014 14:39 #23633 by david
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Hi loquat there was an October chit chat. I set it up when you reminded me.

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08 Oct 2014 17:35 #23637 by Elizabeth C
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Thinking of you today HappyDays! Hope you are feeling great and ..thanks so much for your reply!

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08 Oct 2014 19:01 #23638 by happydays
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Thank you, Elizabeth. Everything was confirmed at the consultation and I have to return in 8 weeks. No further tests because they carry definite risks. Indolent type so very slow moving. Apparently it is unlikely to transform into a more aggressive type. Slightly worrying was a shadow in the bowels, which showed up on the CT scan, so I have to wait for an appointment to have a camera go in for a look. Sounds great fun!!!! I remain feeling very well. I asked the consultant if diet mattered and she said it made no difference :unsure: In this region of the UK, the recommended diet for patients undergoing chemo includes "sugary drinks" and "sticky buns"....unbelievable.
Still waiting for the books recommended by Ock to be delivered but a mainstream one that made sense to me is - Anticancer by David Servan-Schreiber. A good lymphoma specific one is Living with Lymphoma: a patients guide by Elizabeth Adler. None of the books I've read so far mention fasting and yet I fully believe it to be the most powerful anticancer method.
My infrared machine is due to be delivered tomorrow.
Exciting times indeed.
Happy fasting days everyone x

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08 Oct 2014 19:24 #23639 by Elizabeth C
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Good to hear from you again. Love your attitude.
I had the colonoscopy and truly the anxiety was the worse part of it. The procedure was a breeze! Thank you so much for sharing here. If you have time, please look up Dominic D'Agostino on youtube.

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08 Oct 2014 21:21 #23640 by loquat1
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Flattered to be confused with Ock, but 'fraid I ain't no moderator. Now, pass me that krispy krem please.

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08 Oct 2014 21:45 #23642 by david
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@ happydays what Loq is trying to say is that he supplied the reading list. Let me know how you get on with those books. Also if you want a good source of vitamin C you can try Ancient Purity I have just ordered ascorbic acid from them.

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08 Oct 2014 23:13 #23643 by loquat1
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Indeed I did, and thanks for translating my obtuse reference.

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11 Oct 2014 15:40 #23678 by rothery
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Happydays, I'm sorry to hear about your diagnosis.

I've heard about the book "Cancer as a Metabolic Disease" by Thomas Seyfried (He seems to be a professor at Boston College--someone correct me if I'm wrong!) I'm curious what the doctor (or anyone else) thinks about Seyfried's theory? Here is one review that seems easy to read--I can't begin to understand the abstract myself as it is too technical and thought this might be easier to read. Sorry that it is from a .com site! :S
ketopia.com/cancer-as-a-metabolic-disease-thomas-n-seyfried/

I haven't read the book myself, but found it interesting that, in addition to recommending a restricted-calorie ketogenic diet for cancer management, Seyfried also recommends fasting as a form of cancer prevention.

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12 Oct 2014 05:17 #23688 by TheFastDoctor
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Dear Rothery, we must always be very careful for "sweeping statements" such as these. Cancer is about a thousand different diseases. It affects more than 1 in 3 people. Personally I believe one of the biggest causes if over-nutrition. This includes too much vitamins, minerals and proteins in our diet (Which keeps cancer cells alive) and the habit of eating every day (Which prevents the cancer cells from starving). If Seyfried refers to cancer thriving on the absence of the natural periods of reverse metabolism (fasting) then he is largely right.

André

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14 Oct 2014 18:29 #23703 by loquat1
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@ rothery - I would say Dr Seyfried is on the right track, except I would go even further. I would argue that cancer is not a disease. It is a symptom, possibly one of many, of the disease that caused it. If you don't have a clue what I'm talking about, watch this:



I would also argue that this is quite possibly the main reason that conventional treatments, taken in the round, have largely failed. They treat (or at least attempt to treat) the cancer itself, not the underlying cause.

Could this also be an explanation for its recurrence in so many cases, even allowing for the carcinogenic effects of the treatment itself? Removing a primary malignant tumor is not quite the same as addressing the condition that caused it, is it?

As for the effectiveness of fasting as an anti-cancer protocol, I could not agree more with the Fasting Doc. As he has pointed out on numerous occasions, it is the most powerful intervention at our disposal.

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14 Oct 2014 19:28 #23704 by loquat1
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A few years ago, Channel 4 (UK) aired a ground-breaking two-part documentary about 'the cancer industry'. That in itself is not so unusual, except for one noteworthy detail: the narrator came as close as he dared to characterizing the entire cancer establishment as a racket. Great, I thought. At last the truth is about to break out. I was wrong, of course.

That same channel is now airing the 'Stand Up to Cancer Campaign' over a two week period, ending this week with a 'special'. The campaign features both members of Joe Public and celebs affected by cancer, usually recounting heart-rending stories about how it affected them or a loved one. Now, just a few years after those shocking revelations about the conventional treatment of cancer, Channel 4 could not be more mainstream if it tried.

Why am I unable to escape the feeling that somebody high up at Channel 4 has been nobbled? Did somebody get too close to the truth for the comfort of vested interests? Were a few Big Pharma CEO's sweating around their collective collars perhaps?

Well, they needn't have worried. A few subtle threats to withdraw advertising revenue was probably all it took to restore order once again. In the meantime, the general population affected by cancer continues to sleepwalk to an early grave, ably assisted by their oncologists - 86% of whom would refuse the same treatment. You just couldn't make it up.

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15 Oct 2014 18:11 #23715 by loquat1
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@ David - Got lost in the maze did ya? No prob. It kicks off around #23577 on this thread:

www.fastingconnection.com/forum/Posts-fo...nd-sweating?start=20

Happy reading.

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15 Oct 2014 18:13 #23716 by loquat1
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PS You might also be %ed in this:

thetruthaboutcancer.com/live/episode2.php

Happy viewing.

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15 Oct 2014 18:19 #23718 by loquat1
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@ Bob - My mistake. I thought I detected a defensive response in:

I was only relating the laser treatment because I didn't remember it until now.


I obviously read too much into it. Apologies.

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