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Fasting vs. tinnitus

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09 Sep 2011 21:22 - 09 Sep 2011 21:27 #9128 by Nidu
Nidu created the topic: Fasting vs. tinnitus
Hi there,

I'm wondering if you (or others here) know of cases where tinnitus has been cured via fasting (and if so, what the likely causes of the tinnitus were, and by what fasting method it was cured)? Really just looking for some hope, and there isn't much on the world wide web, it seems - after hours of searching, even on a few Russian sites, I have found but a few who either claim they cured their tinnitus by fasting or mention someone who has reportedly done so. Then, there have been those who have tried but haven't had success (with how far they went, anyway). I've done a little bit of waterfasting and dryfasting, but I can't say I've noticed any difference so far. My ringing, which is pretty mild, I guess, was caused by being on a low dose of the "anti-depressant" Citalopram for just three weeks...

Thanks...

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11 Sep 2011 12:54 #9141 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re: Fasting vs. tinnitus
Tinnitus has many causes, dear Nidu and i do not want to raise unrealistic hopes, having tinnitus myself for over 40 years. If you respond quickly like in your case soon after it started, yes I believe it can be cured. But only if the fasting is done in context, as part of the elimination attack on toxins. You need to augment your fasting with repetitive cycles of elimination therapy (The 5-step elimination cycles), a low salt diet and a positive attitude to life. Holism is the holy grail here.

Please keep us posted on your achievements.

André

All my posts are "generic", based on my opinions and experiences only and are not intended to replace the advice of your own licensed medical practitioner.

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12 Sep 2011 07:25 #9169 by borota
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Nidu and The Fast Doctor,

Your posts just made me realize that I hadn't have tinnitus problems in the last couple of years. Looks like this is another positive side-effect of switching to a plant based diet, which I did 3 years ago. Not that now I am completely free of health problems, but a there is a long list of health issue - some life threatening - that simply evaporated since eating plants and taking out oils and animal produce.

According to some reading that I've done, in many cases tinnitus is caused by too much fat in the diet - excess that clogs the arteries. Eating oil-free, plant-based seems to help people cure themselves of it in many cases.
You might want to read this: www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/oct/if.htm

I have no idea if that's the case here, but who knows, maybe this info could help.

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12 Sep 2011 08:24 #9170 by Nidu
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Been eating a nearly fruitarian diet for over 2 years. At least 50% of calories from fruits and greens pretty much every day, with other calories being those of simply cooked rice and potatoes, with greens like broccoli, brussel sprouts. Pretty much no salt, other than that which comes with food. I'm only 24 years old, and didn't eat a particularly bad diet prior to switching. I got my tinnitus from the "anti-depressant" Citalopram, along with a couple of less annoying, noticeable side-effects that are still around. I seemed to have pretty good health, except for not being muscular or something like that, prior to me taking that poison out of desperation, having had "too many" recurrent bouts of depression over four years. And in just three weeks I just had to get something nigh incurable didn't I... I hate my life. There's too much shit in it now. I don't know how I'm going to last. It's been pretty much ruined by my parents, another loved one (due to psychological problems of her own), and now those who've claimed to have the knowledge to help me but probably don't know what the fuck they are doing or are sadists. Don't know why I'm even saying this here. I cried all day, and haven't slept all night.

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12 Sep 2011 21:34 #9174 by borota
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I googled Citalopram and they do list tinnitus as a possible side-effect...

I have had great success with overcoming a depression I developed after my one year younger brother was killed in car accident in a very gruesome way, by a driver who couldn't stop because that driver was driving too fast. That happened over 2 years ago.

Listening to words of Jesus on my IPod helped me overcome that depression. It was first ever in my life I had to struggle with depression, never had problems with it before.

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19 Sep 2011 11:46 #9219 by TheFastDoctor
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Thank you for the positive post and the reference dear Borota. Depression represents a complex group of conditions which transcend the physical, physiological and social realms we endure every day.

A real fasting retreat where you can focus on your inner self can indeed be a good and important component of a holistic approach but too much of that might distance you for the society you wish to live in. Thus balance is once again important and that is where a cyclical approach makes provision for integrating different modalities such as fasting, meditation, orthodox medicine where appropriate, faith, and many others.

Our best wishes goes out to you and Nidu.

André

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19 Sep 2011 13:40 - 19 Sep 2011 13:42 #9220 by Nidu
Nidu replied the topic: Re: Fasting vs. tinnitus
Yes, it is noted as a rare side-effect (1/100 gets ringing in the ears, 1/1000 get tinnitus). Just my luck to get it - and only after three weeks on just 20 mg - AND after all I've already been through! Another got what sounds like it was significantly louder ringing than me after just a week. His has mostly gone away, after a year. But he didn't have the TMJ-ish symptoms that I had and still have a couple of, which has me worried that mine is somehow more fixed. At least the sound isn't loud or inherently unpleasant in some way (other than through it being constant).

I actually wanted to try an MAOI anti-depressant, since fruit and veg come with "natural" MAOIs, and my fruitarian-ish diet has an anti-depressant effect (I think), but around here they didn't prescribe such drugs... Really, I imagined I would've been better off, and gained more, by trying something like MDMA (ecstasy) or marijuana (despite their negative effects)...

Well, that was the last time I took an anti-depressant until they can actually offer more tangible and understandable proof that they work, and that they seem to do so without having 50+ side-effects, some which are quite serious. That'll probably take many years, unless they rework the so-called "drugs of abuse", into therapy (e.g. MDMA). At least those definitely have a positive effect, even if it is short-lasting and care must be taken during the come-down... From now on, I'd rather just get sad and angry when I do, and just stick it out until I manage to calm down.

As for religion, I am incapable of putting faith into any of the widely recognized and practiced religions, partly because it appears that they are amalgations of recycled stories that may well just have been myths to begin with (e.g. the character of Jesus appears to have been based on the Egyptian god Horus - see "Christ in Egypt" on youtube). The "best" I can manage is entertaining the notion of some kind of panendeism involving the transmigration of individuated souls. That's another thread though...

Guess I can always hope that biomedicine (something I might study myself) will make some quick progress on the possible tinnitus cures that are on the horizon. Stem cells could be something, but seems to be a long way off, at least for it to become an economically viable option for the non-rich. There are some interesting magnetic and sound techniques that might be effective and more readily available before then. Would be nice if modern medicine finally did something good for me (and many others)...

(I've seen blurbs about dryfasting stimulating stem cell production or something like that (on Filonov's site and this forum), but I never found any detailed coverage on it. Anyone know some more about that? Well, that's another thread, too, I guess...)

I might try a bit more of acupuncture next (I'll see if there's anything specific for TMJ-ish symptoms), and keep up with the dryfasting (while not overdoing it).

I do meditate now and then, but that habit got disrupted by the noise. Getting a bit back into it now. Hopefully fasting will at least do me some other good, re: depression and whatnot.

Thank you both for your input.

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