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21 Oct 2011 15:13 #9311 by givemestrength10
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Dear Dr.,

I recently completed a successful 3-day dry fast during which I lost about 18 lbs. Furthermore, most of the weight has stayed off even though I drank water like crazy the moment the clock struck 12 am. I want to work my way up to a 7-day dry fast and as I have been fasting on and off, I don't believe I'm very toxic. How much weight should I expect to lose during a 7-day dry fast? Also, do you have advice regarding staying motivated during a week-long fast when you live at home and go to school and you basically have no support system? Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you.
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21 Oct 2011 20:03 #9313 by TheFastDoctor
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Dear Giveemestrngth, thank you for a few interesting remarks and questions.

Although I do dry fasts myself, I have never ventured beyond 3 days. In the hot African climate that could be suicide! I have unfortunately encountered rather serious ramifications from dehydration, including stroke.

Thus although I practice this myself, I am NOT generally in favour of dry fasting. It tends to cause concentration of toxins which might just overwhelm the defences. More so of course in people who have more toxins. I only started dry fasting after more than 500 fasts, coupled with elimination therapies.. at that point I felt confident that the toxin level was low enough to make this safe.

You really do not achieve meaningfully more in dry fasting compared to having water based on thirst. The only real advantage is that it stimulates more fat breakdown to produce water (metabolic water)... and this is not always an advantage. Thus I would do my conscience damage should I not suggest you consider pure water part of any fast until your body spontaneously start refusing it.

André

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21 Oct 2011 23:37 - 21 Oct 2011 23:45 #9314 by Esmée La Fleur
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I have completed several longer dry fasts (I did quite a few water fasts over the past 20 years before ever venturing into dry fasting) of 5, 8, and 10 days respectively. I have found the dry fasts to be far more helpful to me than water fasts. Nevertheless, I think you should educate yourself as much as possible before doing anything longer than 3 days dry. If you are interest in reading about my experiences and learning more about dry fasting in general, you can go to my blog Fasting Dry . BTW, when you re-hydrate after a dry fast, you need to do so slowly. Dr. Filonov recommends drinking 2 liters of water very slowly over a two hour period. During my 8 day fast, I made the mistake of using undiluted coconut water to re-hydrate and it gave me a severe migraine (it was too concentrated and probably actually dehydrated me), so now I dilute it 1 part coconut water to 3 parts water for the re-hydration process and I have experienced no problems with this protocol. But plain water is what Dr. Filonov has used for the past 20 years with his patients with great success.

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22 Oct 2011 02:39 #9315 by givemestrength10
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Thank you very much your help. How should I prep 4 a 7-day dry fast? I sort of just jumped into the first one lol. Read your blog and I mostly just craved water during the whole thing; food cravings went away quite quickly. I don't think I went the bathroom a lot. Does that mean anything?

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22 Oct 2011 06:14 - 22 Oct 2011 06:16 #9316 by Esmée La Fleur
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I am not an expert on dry fasting. I can tell you that my desire for water was much stronger during my first 3.5 dry fast than it was during any of the subsequent longer ones. I assume this is because a lot of toxins come out in the beginning, but I really do not know. Did you read my article Intro to Dry Fasting? and My Fractionated Dry Fast? There is a link for Dr. Filonov's book in the Intro article. I would not attempt a longer dry fast without first having read his book. You don't need to read the whole thing, just start on page 150 and go from there. It is probably a good idea to make sure you hydrate really well prior to your next dry fast.

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22 Oct 2011 09:08 #9317 by TheFastDoctor
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Dear givemenstrength, I would never recommend ignoring or suppressing real thirst. Water is being produced in your body by the metabolic processes all the time, thus a bit of water from outside cannot possibly have a negative impact on the biochemical processes involved in fasting.

There's a continuous exchange of water also: You lose some via the kidneys but also via evaporating sweat and tears, and you breathe out several hundred milliliters of water per day. Thus water is in a constant flux between your body and the environment so that environmental water, whether you drink it or it is absorbed from your skin (in a moist environment or a shower, etc.) is simply added to the "pool" of water in your body.

The greater of evils will always be dehydration. Thus it is always safer to have water when you are unsure. If you do no damage now, you can always fast again in future.

André

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22 Oct 2011 12:50 #9318 by borota
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I have been quite busy with a lot going on lately so I didn't have a chance to stop by. Since my last close to 10 days water fast in July, I had several weekly fasts, some water but mostly dry.

The longest I went dry was 80 hours and I stopped it when I felt pain in chest area. That was about 3 weeks ago. YET on the second day of the 80 hours dry fast, I was VERY busy at work and didn't urinate until later afternoon, even though I would have needed to do it earlier. Reason why this is very much worth mentioning is that by then I have had accumulated A LOT of urine. Which was really shocking to me because before, I could hold just a tiny bit, having to go to urinate often throughout the day and night. I haven't been officially diagnosed, but I've read that many men of my age usually have enlarged prostate and hence the need to urinate very often. I had all the symptoms I read of an enlarged prostate.

Although switching to plant based eating improved the problem compared to how it was before, I kind of gave up hope there was solution to my need to urinate often. This might seem minor, but having to urinate very often is quite frustrating and disruptive. Dr. McDougall, whom I respect and is one of the prominent voices in plant-eating movement, doesn't seem to give much hope that plant-eating could cure enlarged prostate. Yet since that second day of the 80 hour dry fast, not only can I hold urine like when I was younger, but it is also coming out forcefully, as if back in my twenties. It looks like I am cured of the enlarged prostate problem. That happened during intermittent (mostly) dry fasting. Would I have had the same outcome if I did water fast only, maybe, I don't know.

Another positive side-effect of weekly fasting is that now I need about 2 hours less sleep than before. In all, about 6 hours of sleep is more than enough. Also I feel like I am more down to earth kind of a person, I also feel very empowered, like I could do anything I put my mind to.

To me at this stage, it feels like weekly fasting has more benefits longer term than doing longer fasting sessions and then eating continually with no weekly fasting. It feels as if you keep your body in the fasting like state continually but you still eat throughout most of the week.

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22 Oct 2011 19:22 #9319 by TheFastDoctor
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Dear borota, thank you for this very interesting point. Much of what you mention I have encountered before in patients.

The problem with an irritable prostate is that the irritation (not the enlargement) make you empty the bladder frequently, which causes the size of the bladder to shrink and that's why you cannot hold so much. Fortunately it can enlarge quickly again when filling up.

The large volume indicates just how much "metabolic water" you can make even during a dry fast.

I agree wholeheartedly about the weekly fast, have been doing it for more than a quarter of a century, and yes it works. Longer fasts are more effective in dealing with fully developed diseases though.

André

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25 Oct 2011 11:52 #9322 by newtofasting2011
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Wow thats alot of weight lost in 3 days! Do you mind me asking how much you weighed before you started?

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26 Oct 2011 10:25 #9326 by givemestrength10
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originally was 236 lbs
after dry fast weight was 218 lbs

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26 Oct 2011 23:22 #9327 by TheFastDoctor
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So that's 8kg in 3 days. Problem is, if we don't know the hydration state before and after (body water percentage) we cannor really evaluate what has happened. If you have a large enough bladder you can lose a kilogram in less than half a minute by urinating..

Please, people, we should not chase records particularly not in the mere attraction between the planet earth and the atoms in your body. A holistic evaluation is much, much more meaningful.

André

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27 Oct 2011 23:27 #9331 by Esmée La Fleur
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Thank you for sharing your experience, Greg. Fascinating!

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