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06 Aug 2010 16:36 #4920 by happydays
happydays created the topic: Binge Eating
Hi everyone. Advice please!
I have a longstanding problem with binge eating and a lack of sensible eating pattern. If I follow the "Health Won" method for treating obesity, is it likely to worsen the binge eating problem in the long term? Or, could it lead to a "cure"?
Any helpful suggestions would be great!
Leigh

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07 Aug 2010 04:10 #4923 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re: Binge Eating
Welcome here indeed, happydays!

Any pattern that you force on yourself can potentially trigger a rebound. The idea of the cyclical pattern is that you develop more biofeedback between your mind and body. If you add the "notebook diet" to the 7-day cycle you know that you will never have to deprive yourself of anything you want.. at worst you have to wait a few days.

For those unfamiliar with the notebook diet, in a nutshell:

Every week is a cycle. After one to 6 days of fasting, you eat only fruit, then add salads, then go vegetarian, then "balanced" but all the time you make notes of the stuff (and volumes) you would have eaten if you were not on the diet. You move to the next step when you feel ready: Some weeks it will take longer to reach the next step and some weeks it will be quicker. Then, on day 7 (the day before your next fast), you take that list and EAT IT ALL..

Bear in mind that
* if you were not on the diet you would have had all that stuff anyway.. so no loss here.
* if you get a craving, this might represent something your body (or mind) really needs so no use stubbornly refusing it all.
* The food on the list will likely be junk and fatty.. which, as a last meal before a fast, triggers the processing of those substances, thus aiding in their elimination during the fasting day(s).
* Once you forced yourself to consume your entire list, you will likely have an aversion to at least some of the junk during your next cycle.
* Once something is on the list, you kind of get satisfaction from it all the time until you actually have it, thus you get more psychological release than if you were to have it immediately.

Please don't expect to be necessarily succesful on the first try.. but you start on a "clean sheet" once every week.. and the first few days of any diet tend to be the most succesful.

Please keep us posted. And if you need to learn more, there's plenty of good advice from many members on these forums. Try in time to read them all..

André

All my posts are "generic", based on my opinions and experiences only and are not intended to replace the advice of your own licensed medical practitioner.
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08 Aug 2010 14:28 #4925 by happydays
happydays replied the topic: Re: Binge Eating
Thank you so much for the reply. This is certainly different from the usual "diet" way of looking at things. I tend towards perfectionism and whenever I decide to eat healthy I promise myself never to eat any junk food ever again. This sets up huge cravings and before you know it I am off the diet and ....well I will refrain from describing what follows next!! :silly:

The notebook method is described in the book. Thank you for your lenghty elaboration. It makes a LOT of sense. I am going to start fasting tomorrow-doing 4 days-and will keep you posted at the end of the week.
Many Thanks
Leigh

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11 Aug 2010 15:55 #4951 by carolineq
carolineq replied the topic: Re: Binge Eating
This notebook diet is a fabulous idea. I naturally found myself stocking up on food that I was "dying to have" during my fast and then, after resuming eating an unrestricted diet, I never wanted the stuff again. Strange...

I have a desire to resume fasting, but have been off the cycle for over 3 weeks now... thus, less posting!

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11 Aug 2010 16:50 #4953 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re: Binge Eating
Not quite "strange" dear Carolineq: Cravings are often caused by synthetic additives in the "food" specifically designed to mislead you.. and if you just give it a few days, your biofeedback in its wisdom overcome that lie. But Rome was not built in one day.. and don't expect your new found position of "being in charge" will be any different. It's something you have to keep reinforcing. At least with the weekly cycle (or even a monthly one if it suits you better) you can start fresh again.. and again.. and again..

André

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11 Aug 2010 17:25 #4954 by carolineq
carolineq replied the topic: Re: Binge Eating
Wow, you know, I knew food was responsible for false cravings, but neglected it could also be responsible for craving cessation, cravings that are true.

Thank you!

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16 Aug 2010 13:22 #4978 by happydays
happydays replied the topic: Re: Binge Eating
Hi everyone- well that's the first week completed. :) It went quite well and I feel very positive as I start the second week. I feel as if I am "reprogramming" if that makes sense. Oddly enough I did not manage to eat everything that I had noted down. I would have been sick!!!
I am hoping to get into a routine with this and wean myself off junk food as much as possible. Does the body (and mind)get used to this routine? Could this method also be used for weight management? longevity?
Leigh
PS anyone else out there currently using fasting to combat obesity?

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16 Aug 2010 14:35 #4979 by TheFastDoctor
TheFastDoctor replied the topic: Re: Binge Eating
So you do notice, dear Leigh, that eventually with the notebook at hand, over a week you ate LESS junk than you otherwise would have.. In time, indeed, this will become engrained in your biofeedback and you will be able to get rid of the notebook.

Several studies have indicated longevity occurring in mammals who fast regularly. This was found to be just as effective as calorie restriction.. but using bothe would likely be even better.

I believe your body can process only a certain volume of every nutrient in a lifetime, so the slower you "go though your allowance" the longer it will last.

André

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24 Aug 2010 08:44 #5001 by happydays
happydays replied the topic: Re: Binge Eating
Hi everyone - well, yet another week completed. This still feels very new and different but I feel well and energetic so things are looking positive. The only noticeable problem I have is severe trouble getting up in the morning. I have always been quite groggy in the morning but these mornings I feel as if I have a hangover! Next weekend I have visitors staying so I shall plan my routine around that. It is great that this is so flexible. By the way, I have definately lost weight but I am not using scales, just going by my clothes

Happy fasting to all!
Leigh

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