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18 Jan 2011 06:47 - 29 Oct 2012 19:57 #5669 by Meditating
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For your amusement:

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41118846/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/

The article, with the exception of the last sentence, implies that the body cannot detox when it needs to do so. I find this really interesting since I am always reading remarks by doctors assuring us that detox is a myth.

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18 Jan 2011 09:18 #5672 by TheFastDoctor
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Thank you dear Meditating for being so ultra observant. What this article eventually concedes is what we have been preaching for decades.

It also underscores why active fasting (with elimination activities) are so much more effective than passive fasting (just waiting and hoping the toxins find a way out).

André

All my posts are "generic", based on my opinions and experiences only and are not intended to replace the advice of your own licensed medical practitioner.

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18 Jan 2011 10:22 #5673 by Gaba.gal
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Very interesting article, maybe I missed that but they do not say how the people have lost weight in the study.
Did they loose weight passively or actively? If you take into account the last sentence you would assume they did it passively, but they dont say that, I am just making the assumption.

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19 Jan 2011 04:13 #5683 by david
david replied the topic: New Article: Weight Loss and Toxicity
Great article thanks for sourcing it Meditating. I wonder whether some people put on water-retention (excess) weight in order to keep these toxins in a more tolerable 'diluted' state.

When you lose the fat and water through rapid weight loss diets the body is caught up with a concentration of toxins it can't deal with. This is where The Fast Doctor's 5 step elimination cycle, saunas, sweat lodges,Kneip and certain therapeutic clays come in really useful. Of course the 5 step elimination cycle is a tried and tested method which is worth using more purposefully.

"In a nutshell, at least twice daily, try to perform the following steps in short succession:
1. Dynamic: Try to push your pulse rate up to (200 minus your age);
2. Tonic: WHILE the heart is still beating fast, massage this excess circulation into your skin (the main elimination organ during fasting);
3. Pyrophase: WHILE this excess circulation is still in the skin, activate the sweat glands in a sauna, steam room, hot bath or shower.;
4. Criophase: Cool down your skin to re-ropute the now "filtered" blood circulation back to the internal organs: Cold shower, plunge pool or allow the sweat to evaporate.
5. Stabilization: Now rest until you feel up to facing the next cycle.. or have to go to work. or just go to bed. " (copied from FAQ What is the Five Step Elimination Cycle)

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22 Jan 2011 09:44 - 22 Jan 2011 09:49 #5710 by carolineq
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If the body is in a state of catabolism, it would seem to me that a longer fast might help prevent these chemicals from being uptaken into various other tissues... if they are lipophillic afterall, when one is in a catabolic state, it would seem that the chemicals would have no choice but to undergo elimination - especially if it's a long one.

I would think weight loss during dietary intakes would result in a back and forth catabolism/anabolism which over the course of the day could have those chemicals from weight loss sucked right back up into the organs... but with glucagon and cortisol running the show, that ain't so likely... at least in my limited way of thinking...

I'm sure I will be edumicated on topic however...:)

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22 Jan 2011 10:57 - 22 Jan 2011 11:01 #5711 by Meditating
Meditating replied the topic: New Article: Weight Loss and Toxicity
CAROLINAQ, I would think intermittent fasting would be sufficient if you did not have an excess of fat.

I read my first detailed article on fasting almost 8 years ago. I thought it was interesting (but didn't understand how one could go without eating for days) and the author discussed how fat cells function to store toxins. It was suggested that even if a person does not intake enough calories to produce fat, the body may actually manipulate the metabolism to produce fat when toxic intake exceeds elimination.

I do remember the process described in that article because I kept drawing it out in my mind. When we intake toxins they first enter out blood stream. When the toxicity of our blood gets to high, cells (primarily fat cells) allow the toxins to permeate the cells' membranes and then they store the toxins to reduce blood toxicity.

When one fasts, the blood stream is the first to drop its toxic load. When the body realizes the blood steam has been cleaned up, it begins to allow toxins stored in cells back into the blood stream for easier elimination. This is why we often get sick when we first start fasting because toxins in our tissues are moved into the blood supply for elimination.

However, there are reported individuals with unique problems eliminating older fat cells, like the patient who experiences the LSD he took many years ago. I would assume those cells finally dumped their old toxins.

This is one of the reasons I find the idea of regular intermittent fasting so interesting. Presumably, you could continue to fast and clean out your fat cells; however, I would think the fasting required to clean out your fat cells would also be of a measure that would consume your fat cells and lead to weight loss.

DAVID posted something not too long ago about how he feels ill a few days into every fast and wondered if it was detox or associated with the body's need for glucose. From my personal experience, I would think it was due to detox (and of course my experience is only applicable to me).

After the third day of my 1st fast, I was horribly ill for days. I had chills, hot flashes, and was throwing up bile for days. Then I would fall asleep for hours from exhaustion and start the process all over again. That was a 13 day fast and after about 10 days I had no symptoms.

So why was this? Best I can guess I was really toxic. I have since begun fasting a few days a couple of times a month and also completed 1-11 day fast without any symptoms. On a few occasions, I have had a single instance where I throw up bile and have hot/cold flashes, always followed by extreme and immediate fatigue. Interestingly, this experience seems to come hand in hand with increased weight loss.

Otherwise, I feel great when I fast and do not experience the symptoms that DAVID does. I think this is because when I have these symptoms I am cleaning out old fat cells with who-knows-what inside of them. Otherwise, I think my intermittent fasting may just be getting rid of recent toxins and i can eliminate that load without symptoms.
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22 Jan 2011 21:51 #5716 by david
david replied the topic: New Article: Weight Loss and Toxicity
Very interesting post Meditating. Will condense it into a FAQ. Be curious to know if water retention is somehow connected to the same fat-metabolism-toxin-diluting template. And if that is the case then can one infer that by eliminating toxins one can also lose water retention weight. I have a female friend who is clearly not overweight in the sense of fat deposits, but rather water retention.

The Fast Doctor also suggests that my hitting the wall symptoms are due to the release of toxins and funny now that I have been eating raw for 2 weeks, I don't feel the same urgency to binge, snack or raid the fridge.

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23 Jan 2011 08:29 #5719 by Meditating
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I found that raw food is quite powerful. No doubt you are able to detox more while eating raw, but that type of diet really helps you stay clean by reducing cravings. Hard to tell which it is but I would guess it is both.

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