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Fasting and Thyroid Function

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02 Jul 2010 17:20 #4751 by TheFastDoctor
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We're drifting off the thyroid topic I note, but thanks for the feedback. From your description I think the "twitches" you feel could actually be the shrinking of the fat cells themselves, particularly in view of you mentioning the appearance of the skin.

Back to the topic: The skin is, of course, quite sensitive to thyroid hormone also and tends to become less flexible in the presence of an underactive thyroid. Thus, who knows, the change in your skin might just indicate a regaining of thyroid activity.

But most likely it is multi-factorial with these, as well as several other, factors playing a role.

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13 Sep 2012 11:36 #12394 by synnoven
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I'm hypothyroid, but not autoimmune... started medication in the middle of my second pregnancy and are still on Levaxin after 4 years.
My question is; do I continue with medication while fasting? If so; I guess I'll need to take some bloodsamples to check if something is changing?
Excuse my English ... I'm Norwegian. :P

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13 Sep 2012 12:04 #12395 by TheFastDoctor
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I excuse your English, mine's not too good either: I'm Afrikaans.

Thyroxine (T4) is not a very active hormone, but the body can change it into TriIoThyronine (T3) which is much more active. Thus you do maintain at least some control over the total thyroid activity in your system when you use this.

Fasting has practically no effect on the thyroid, nor vice versa, so as a general advice you need to continue. I have however seen a few instances where the thyroid "came back to life" after fasting and detoxification activities.

So yes indeed you are correct. The only way to accurately test the thyroid function is in the blood. If the TSH (Thyroid Stimulating Hormone) is quite low, it may be safe to reduce and even stop the thyroxine for a short period in order to evaluate the ability of your own gland to "come back to life". This will need close supervision, though, as after a few years of taking thyroxine, your own gland may have become totally unresponsive.

But for now, don't change the dosage at all during your fast please.

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13 Sep 2012 12:06 #12396 by TheFastDoctor
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I excuse your English, mine's not too good either: I'm Afrikaans.

Thyroxine (T4) is not a very active hormone, but the body can change it into Tri-Iodo-Thyronine (T3) which is much more active. Thus you do maintain at least some control over the total thyroid activity in your system when you use this.

Fasting has practically no effect on the thyroid, nor vice versa, so as a general advice you need to continue. I have however seen a few instances where the thyroid "came back to life" after fasting and detoxification activities.

So yes indeed you are correct. The only way to accurately test the thyroid function is in the blood. If the TSH (Thyroid Stimulating Hormone) is quite low, it may be safe to reduce and even stop the thyroxine for a short period in order to evaluate the ability of your own gland to "come back to life". This will need close supervision, though, as after a few years of taking thyroxine, your own gland may have become totally unresponsive.

But for now, don't change the dosage at all during your fast please. If you have no thyroid function left, taking none can be life threatening.

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13 Sep 2012 12:34 #12397 by synnoven
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Thanks for the answer! I'll be fasting!
I'm still a little scared, because my body reacts quickly to changes in metabolism. TSH value need not increase much before I'm brain dead :( ... I think fasting during a vacation period which is only a few weeks ahead, so then I have time to plan a little. I'll keep you updated.

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24 Jan 2014 14:01 #19713 by ingvild_mikkel
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Hi! Do you suggest eliminating gluten from the diet when diagnosed with Hashimoto's thyroiditis? I've read that the molecular structure of gliadin, the protein portion of gluten, closely resembles that of the thyroid gland.

Also, can a vegan diet lower TSH?

Thoughts appreciated :)

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24 Jan 2014 15:42 #19714 by Ockeghem
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25 Jan 2014 20:31 #19729 by Lux
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There is some evidence that Hashimoto's thyroiditis has improved with diet. I would recommend a diet of "greens and beans" which lowers IGF-1 levels, but in your case it also supplies trace minerals such as selenium. The RDA for selenium is probably far lower than it should be. Getting at least 200 μg of selenium a day may greatly improve your situation. I would avoid supplements since they often produce toxic results. Natural sources for selenium would be a cup of cooked shiitakes or white button mushrooms provides 19 micrograms of selenium, or 35 percent of the RDA, or even better a half ounce of brazil nuts will give you 272 μg. Avoid animal sources. While they do exist, they come loaded with toxins, high in calories, and low in nutrient values. A far better source would be a variety of sources, spinach, brussel sprouts, shelled soybeans, asparagus, all topped of with a couple of brazil nuts. Your doctor may have told you to push protein, but remember there is twice as much protein in a hundred calories of broccoli than there is in a hundred calories of meat of any source. By choosing a diet of "beans and greens", you will also flood your body with the antioxidants needed to resume normal immune function. If you need the calories, nuts and avocado will boost your calorie levels in a safe way. Coconut is your friend. Eating coconut meat (use the unprocessed no added sugar variety) is high in lauric acid and is very soothing to the immune system. If in doubt go natural always.
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29 Jan 2014 08:13 #19779 by ingvild_mikkel
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Thank you so much for your answer Lux, much appreciated. I started eating a plant based diet in Novemver last year. I am a nutritionist and have taken a Certificate in Plant Based Nutrition through T.Colin Campbell Foundation as well as studied Science of Raw Food Nutrition at Living Light Culinary Arts Institute in Fort Bragg, so I am very well aware of the health benefits of such a way of eating :) However, the reason I asked was that my TSH levels has dropped since November, so now I need to lower my medication (Levaxin). I suspect the plant based diet is to "blame", all though I haven't read any scientific proof of such a thing. I am now wondering whether I should try to stop medication to see if my thyriod gland prehaps can manage to produce some hormones for itself? I asked my doctor about this, but he said this was a lifelong disesase and that I would need to be on medication for the rest of my life. I really want to try water-fasting to see if I can restore my thyroid function..

Another interesting thing... After November, my serum ferritin levels has also dropped! My iron storage is almost completely depleted. Is it possible that someone does not fully ulitize the non-heme iron found in plant based foods? Because I've eaten tons of salad, broccoli, beet and green juice every single day, brown rice, quinoa, lots of legumes, some nuts and seeds etc. Any thoughts?? :)

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29 Jan 2014 13:19 #19784 by Lux
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About 90% (if I recall correctly) of those with low thyroid function have an autoimmune reaction underway. About 10% have low iodine reasons for low function. If you are requiring less medication, then it is likely that a vegan diet is quieting your immune system. I have heard of recovery before with vegan diets but I would caution against a diet high in gluten. Gluten stimulates an immune response which also targets the thyroid (if I recall correctly). I will try to research this a bit more.
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29 Jan 2014 14:31 #19785 by Lux
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Just ran across an intriguing article in Nature.
Kleinewietfeld, M., Manzel, A., Titze, J., Kvakan, H., Yosef, N., Linker, R. A., & ... Hafler, D. A. (2013). Sodium chloride drives autoimmune disease by the induction of pathogenic TH17 cells. Nature, 496(7446), 518-522. doi:10.1038/nature11868

I have only found access to the Abstract so far, but am searching for the full text. Fasting inherently lowers sodium levels. We do not fully understand all of the mechanisms behind autoimmune diseases, but perhaps sodium plays a larger role. The most common of the autoimmune diseases probably involves the thyroid. So far I have not found any studies yet that directly link a low salt diet to improved thyroid function but that may in fact be the case. Anyone who has found it, please post here.
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29 Jan 2014 18:33 - 29 Jan 2014 18:35 #19788 by ingvild_mikkel
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Interesting, thanks again for sharing this information Lux. This is so helpful to me! I really want to make some changes in order for my thyroid gland to fully function again. My hypothyroidism is due to an autoimmune reaction, so what you mentioned about a vegan diet prehaps quieting my immune system actually makes a lot of sense. It should be interesting to see if I need to lower my medication even more as time goes by. I will definitely try to eliminate or at least reduce my gluten intake. I find it so sad that doctors in traditional medicine don't know anything about this! They never try to find the true reason for why a disease occur. When my TSH-levels suddenly dropped, he just gave me a different box of pills, without asking me whether I've made any changes in my diet lately or anything. So sad. If I ever go to a water-fasting clinic, and if I ever fully heal and don't need any medication, I'll be sure to let him know! :P

Another funny thing. We are taught in school when becoming a nutritionist that diet cannot interference with thyroid problems. During practice at school, a client came for consultation asking whether she should eliminate some kind of foods when diagnosed with hypothyriodism (she was referring to goitrogen food that I've just recently learned suppress the function of the thyroid gland by interfering with iodine uptake). And the answer she got was of course not! No such thing.
So sad. :(

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29 Jan 2014 22:26 #19790 by Lux
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I remember reading an article some time ago about the aftermath of WWII. The US was flooded with a suddenly huge supply of cheap foreign edible oils. We liberated the Philippines and suddenly had access to large supplies of palm and coconut oil. Pork producers quickly incorporated it into their livestock feed hoping to fatten the pigs with it. The opposite occurred. The pigs ran around and got skinny. They sought out an explanation from livestock scientists and were told that the fat composition they had chosen was amping up the metabolism and they needed to slow it down. They turned to corn products to slow the metabolism down. Corn oil and corn sweeteners did just the trick and pigs slowed down and got fat. Not content with their sales, the corn producers sought to broaden their market with an attack on saturated fats including butter. Margarine was introduced and what happened to the pigs has happened to the public. It was a fascinating article, one I have pondered for many years now. I believe that food can indeed affect thyroid function. We are watching the results on a massive scale.

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31 Jan 2014 12:36 #19812 by Lux
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Here is a picture of how the immune system gets activated by what we eat and how possibly many of the autoimmune malfunctions get their start. Hope you can see it....

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31 Jan 2014 21:41 - 31 Jan 2014 21:43 #19829 by synnoven
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Hi Ingvild.
It is well known among a group of "hypos" in Norway, that a gluten-free diet is effective in hypothyroidism caused by antibodies. Taking selenium reduces antibodies and in some cases they may disappear completely. Good values ​​of all B vitamins and vitamin D are also beneficial in hypothyroidism. A lot of doctors agree on this, but not the majority.... :(

Many patients have experienced great improvement on the gluten-free diet. :woohoo:
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02 Feb 2014 05:24 #19855 by TheFastDoctor
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Ingvild, I have not found any specific correlation between fasting and TSH in the literature but the few thousand TSH's I measured in my laboratory, well, there's an "impression" that it's lower in people who fast. Not statistically significant at this stage however. At least I know it is not higher!

And as Lux points out, diet can help in practically all auto-immune diseases, as the trigger for the auto-immunity likely came from the diet initially anyway. I recommend a vegan diet in all people with auto-immune disease or with a strong family history of such disease, in order to prevent triggering it off.

Once the disease is triggered, however, a vegan diet is often insufficient to stop it.. like it gets its own momentum. Then I would use allopathic medicine such as immune suppressants to TERMINATE the process.. but NOT permanently as in orthodox medicine.. they need to continue because your diet keeps re-activating the disease. If you remain vegan and fast regularly you have much LESS chance (though not nil) of re-triggering the process. Then it's worth taking the side effects of drugs for a period of time. Should it re-activate in future, you can repeat the process but you would very, very unlikely "need" these drugs continually.

I do like T Colin Campbell's approach, explored it a bit with him during a visit to South Africa. But do remember we are all different and what works for one person might not work for another. Plus, we are bio-dynamic so what works for us now may not work during a different biorhythm. By resetting the metabolism often with regular fasts (at least once a week) one can maintain the benefits a lot longer.

As for ferritin, my experience is that regular fasting allows you to "rest and repair" the iron absorption mechanisms of the gut and this often helps improve these levels. Plus, avoid all liquids in mealtimes (at least half an hour before, during, and 2 hours after meals) so that the "intrinsic factor" in the stomach that promotes iron absorption is not diluted. Exercise shortly before eating so that the Endorphins, Irisin and blood circulation to the gut is elevated by the time you eat. All of these improve Iron and Vit B12 absorption. Plus a diet rich in leaves gives you natural Folic Acid, another essential nutrient in heamatology you probably know more about than what I do.

André

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12 Feb 2014 10:08 #20202 by ingvild_mikkel
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Thank you for sharing this illustration, Lux. So interesting.

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12 Feb 2014 10:24 #20203 by ingvild_mikkel
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André, thank you so much for your informative answer. Much appreciated. I don't know where else to get this kind of information, as traditional medicine surely don't cover anything about diet and autoimmune diseases. I will definitely continue being a vegan and making sure that my selenium intake is adequate (I eat about three Brazil nuts each day).
You mentioned that once the disease already is triggered (as in my case), immune suppressants may terminate the process. Where can I get this kind of treatment? Can I seek a "normal" doctor and ask for these immune suppressants for a one-time use only?

I also would like to try water-fasting once a week, like you mentioned. Now, however, I am in desperate need of gaining weight, so I might give this a try once my weight has been stabilized I guess.

Thank you again for taking the time and sharing your wisdom and knowledge.

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13 Feb 2014 13:15 #20237 by TheFastDoctor
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Unfortunately yes dear Ingvild, this is one place where orthodox medicine is the way to go. Perhaps not inform my dear colleague that you intend a once only use though..

I have often employed weekly fasting to help people gain weight. By resting the intestine, it works better the other 6 days and that, together with some energy dense foods (nuts, seeds, oils, avocado etc.) can help you build up the reserves you need.

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15 Mar 2014 13:00 #20939 by ingvild_mikkel
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Hi again :) I am quite interested in diet and Thyriod Function, and I have read quite a bit about it recently. As my TSH- level has bounced up and down lately (along with my energy levels), I suspect it might have something to do with what I put in my mouth. What seems to be a consistent advice on different internet pages is the removal of lectins (grains, legumes, soy, nightshades, oils made of seeds), capsaicin in chili peppers - which supposedly can irritate mucos membranes and contribute to leaky gut and saponins (peppers) which may increase inflammation. A Paleo Autoimmune Diet, or a Vegan autoimmune diet has been recommended on Hashimotoshealing.com, as well as avoiding grains, beans, legumes, dairy, soy, refined sugar/salt and processed oils. Does anyone have any experience with excluding these kinds of foods from the diet? Any thoughts? Also, I have read that iodine should be avoided when having a low thyriod function, as iodine stimulates thyriod peroksidase (TPO) and increase immune attack and that too much iodine can cause hypothyriodism in Hashimotos thyroiditis. Is this true??? I am so confused, I don't know who to ask about this, as my doctor obviously don't know of any connection between diet and thyriod function. Like previously mentioned, I live on a vegan plant based diet, but I now understand that even further adjustments and changes probably needs to be done (I have been using ionized salt, eating legumes and gluten free grains daily, drinking some soy milk, and occasionally eating some raw goitrogens and nightshades). Any tips, recommendations and personal experience are much appreciated.... I am lost in all of this information. Do I really need to cut gluten free whole grains and iodine from my diet? :(

PS: I have tried water fasting one day a couple of times now (19 - 24 hours) My digestion seems to work better afterwards, however it is really tough because I never lose the hunger feeling. I feel hungry ALL the time, it never goes away. Maybe this is a normal response when trying water fasting for the first time, just wanted to mention it. I'll try once every week and see if there's any progress.

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