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Various Questions Re Water Fasting

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06 Sep 2011 23:10 #9107 by kania0512
kania0512 created the topic: Various Questions Re Water Fasting
Hi,

I have been dealing with many, many health issues for years now. Recently I was diagnosed with Lyme disease and a co-infection called babesia (and possibly others). Right now, even small amounts of probiotics, or herbs to kill Lyme, cause so much die off I can't tolerate more than 2 or 3 days. So basically I am not getting very far.

In the past, fasting has always helped me to feel better. I have never done more than one day of water fasting so I am planning on going to True North for a water fast. I just spoke to Dr. Sultana at True North who recommended a minimum of 2 weeks fasting, ideally 3 weeks fasting, and 1 week refeeding at True North.

Unfortunately I probably can't afford more than 2 weeks and will have to do the refeeding at home. I have some questions re prep, re-feeding, and more but didn't have time to ask Dr. Sultana since our appointment was over. I would appreciate any feedback/opinions you can give me.
  1. I have never done an extended water fast and wonder what I need to do to prep for it. Should I fast with broth/juice the week prior to the water fast?
  2. I am 5'8" tall, female, and probably weigh around 140 lbs. I am not big by any means, but definitely have some fat accumulation on my hips, butt, thighs that does not need to be there. Should I try to put on some weight before the fats so I don't get too thin or would that make the healing process harder? (Sorry if this is a really stupid question. I want to maximize my fasting time as much as possible for healing.)
  3. Should I be taking herbs to kill the Lyme bacteria during the fast or wait until after the fast? I think with water fating it's best to take as little as possible.
  4. I have read that it's best to fast during descending moon. Is there any validity to this?

I think that's it. Thank you for reading.

Kania

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07 Sep 2011 07:25 #9113 by Esmée La Fleur
Esmée La Fleur replied the topic: Re: Various Questions Re Water Fasting
Hi Kania,

The best thing to do to prepare for a fast, in my opinion and that of TNH also, it to eat a diet of mostly raw fruits and vegetables to clean out your intestinal tract. This will make it easier when you come off the fast to have your first BM. Broth and juice are always good.

You definitely do not need to gain any weight before the fast. It sounds to me like you have plenty of reserves. I am 5'6" and started a 25 day water fast at 115 lbs and lost about 25 lbs during the fast. I was back up to 110 at 3 weeks off the fast as I recall.

I expect Dr. Sultana will discourage you from taking any thing to kill the Lyme's during the fast, but this is a question for him.

I have no idea about fasting and the phases of the moon.

I did my fast at TNH and felt very safe and well taken care of there. You will need to plan to do at least a few days of refeeding at the center because you will likely be weak from fasting.

Blessings on your journey!

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07 Sep 2011 16:12 #9114 by kania0512
kania0512 replied the topic: Re: Various Questions Re Water Fasting
Hi Esmée,

Thank you for the reply. I have been reading more in your fasting journal when you were at TNH. I am excited about going and also a bit "scared". Right now I tolerate little to no probiotics because I get such severe die off. After my previous fasts, I always tolerated a lot of probees which I think I need. However, I was taking probees during the fast. From what I understand, that is not recommended during a water fast. Ideally I would like to take acidophilus orally and bifidus rectally during the fast - this is another question I did not get to ask Dr. Sultana because we ran out of time.

So I am torn. I have the option of going to see my mom in Germany and going to a clinic there for 7 days and fasting 7 days at home. This clinic gives broth, juice, and tea with honey, but I skipped the honey and had more broth. I was taking probees during my stay.

Basically, I want to maximize my limited time and get as much healing as possible because currently I have so many symptoms, especially digestive symptoms, I am not really living. My guess is that water fasting will get me there faster.

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07 Sep 2011 18:43 #9115 by Esmée La Fleur
Esmée La Fleur replied the topic: Re: Various Questions Re Water Fasting
Personally, if I was you, I would go to TNH, rather than the clinic in Germany (though I am sure your mom would love to see you!)

If you want to take probiotics during your fast at TNH, no one will stop you and no one even has to know you taking it, if that is what you want to do. Every room has a refridgerator where it can be kept. I just think it would be good to get Dr. Sultana's professional opinion about it first. He had been conducting water-only fasts for a long time and has a lot of experience.

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07 Sep 2011 19:12 #9116 by kania0512
kania0512 replied the topic: Re: Various Questions Re Water Fasting
Thank you....I SO appreciate your feedback. Some of my many symptoms are brain fog, trouble concentrating, indecisiveness, and confusion. So trying to make wise decisions about all this is a bit of a challenge. :ohmy:

I do think going to TNH is the best option and if taking probees is not advised then I don't want to go that route. Now that I know the rooms have a fridge, I can bring them with me and ask Dr. Sultana once I am there.

Now the other thing I am trying to decide is when to go. I would love to go today so I can finally feel better. However, we are going to New Orleans over Thanksgiving followed by a 7-day cruise the week after. Then we are going to Florida to stay with family over Christmas. The next vacation after that is in May 2012. Ideally, I would like to just skip vacations all togther until I am healthier, but I also want to consider my husband's needs. So I am trying to decide if it makes sense to do a 14 to 21 day water fast in October when we're going on vacation end of November. I usually continue my normal diet on a vacation but still I was thinking it would be nice to have more than a month after the fast before going on vacation.

Sorry - I am just "talking" out loud here because all this is floating around in my head and I am trying to figure out if it makes more sense to go now (Sep/Oct) or wait until January. At the same time, I would hate to go on vacation in November feeling the way I feel right now.

So many decisions. Any thoughts on all this?

Thanks,
Kania

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07 Sep 2011 19:29 #9117 by Esmée La Fleur
Esmée La Fleur replied the topic: Re: Various Questions Re Water Fasting
If you do your fast now, or as close to now as possible, you will have plenty of time to rebuild your strength before the whirlwind of activities that you will be engaged in. Who knows, perhaps you will feel better after the fast and all the traveling and vacationing will be easier and more pleasurable for you than expected. Perhaps you would even be able to do a second fast in the spring after things settle down a bit.

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07 Sep 2011 21:17 #9118 by kania0512
kania0512 replied the topic: Re: Various Questions Re Water Fasting
Well, part of the reason I want to fast now is so I WILL feel better for this vacation. I do plan on fasting every spring and fall, but not necessarily a water fast. If I could get rid of just the daily abdominal distention, that would make my life so much more pleasurable.

So basically my options are doing a water fast now then a broth fast in the spring, or doing a broth fast now and a water fast in the spring. Realistically, I am not sure when I could go. It might be end of September or even beginning of October.

Thanks for all your input. I really appreciate it.

Kania

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07 Sep 2011 21:46 - 07 Sep 2011 21:48 #9119 by Esmée La Fleur
Esmée La Fleur replied the topic: Re: Various Questions Re Water Fasting
I don't think you can go wrong either way.

Also, a water-only fast for 10 days or less is really quite safe. The only real danger in a water fast is low electrolytes (esp. potassium) and Dr. Fuhrman says he has never seen anyone become too low in electrolytes until after 10 days and even then it is extremely rare. So, you could always consider doing a water-only fast at home. Just go one day at a time, do what you can, and then switch to broth or juice for the remaining days.

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09 Sep 2011 00:36 #9121 by kania0512
kania0512 replied the topic: Re: Various Questions Re Water Fasting
Hi Esmee,

I have been having a very hard time fasting at home for some reason. Here lately I haven't even been able to make it one day, however, it looks like TNH may not work out after all. I was going to stay 2 weeks and use that time for fasting and break the fast at home OR do no more than 2 days of re-feeding with them. However, I just spoke to Dr. Goldhamer and he said they require patients to stay for re-feeding for a minimum of half the length of the fast. One, I don't think I can afford a 3 week stay, two, I don't think I can be gone from work 3 weeks (although I could work from there), and three, I really don't want to drink veggie juice and eat vegetables only for an entire week.

Now I don't know what to do.

Kania

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