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30 Aug 2008 13:54 #1198 by AmunRa
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During the course of my last 5 day fast, on day 4, I went on a 4 mile hike. I read that some people have more energy during a fast, but I found this not to be the case. I was definitely able to complete the hike, which included a substantial uphill component, however when going uphill I was noticeably slower. I could tell because there was a group of middle aged ladies keeping pace behind me and almost even passing.

The same applies to when I would walk to the store. I found that taking each step was a bit more labor intensive. I could have forced the same speeds I normally do but this would have been a bad idea as it would needlessly expend energy. So, I'm not sure how some people are managing to feel *more* energy. Perhaps you're on a juice fast and getting some source of power. But I was on a pure water fast and I felt pretty drained.

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31 Aug 2008 10:25 #1205 by TheFastDoctor
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This is a common experience. Fact is, you do have more energy (measurable) when burning fat than when burning carbohydrate or its derivative, protein. Fat contains 35 kilojoules of energy per gram, carbohydrate/protein only 17.

The reasons you felt less energetic may be multiple, but includes:

1. Your body still has to 'learn' how to mobilize fat at a rate to supply additional energy. That is, it needs to produce 'lipolytic' enzymes. These are available most of the time, but not necessarily in the volumes you need.

2. The fat you burn, is likely old, stale and full of toxins. If it has been lying around in your body for years (even decades in most people!) you cannot expect it to be vibrant. Once you have replaced most of your old fats with fresh fat (that is, lost and regained at least your own body weight) you will experience the energy boost of fasting.

Remember if you don't feel very good ('Pretty drained'), it implies there is something IN you that cause the feeling. The idea of putting more things INTO you to cancel this out, is the premise on which the pharmaceutical industry exploits us. Whether they call their products antibiotics, anti-whatever, 'supplements' or 'vitamins', the aim is to get the money out of your purse. You need to get what made you feel 'drained' OUT, not put more things IN!

André

All my posts are "generic", based on my opinions and experiences only and are not intended to replace the advice of your own licensed medical practitioner.

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06 Feb 2009 04:13 #2420 by Misslinda
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Most definately what Andre said about releasing the residue of junk that makes us sick to begin with....

I believe that during fasting, the body SIMPLY wants time out. It's a very intricate and multi layered process that is taking place. By allowing our bodies to concetrate and diverting most of its energy into detoxifying,rejuvenating and healing, do we receive the benefits we are seeking.

I remember on Day 55, I was running hills. The body will fully adapt when it is ready....you will have that natural "inkling" to walk.....jog.....run.....stretch etc. Logic cannot outline fasting.....intuition does.

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06 Feb 2009 07:30 #2422 by TheFastDoctor
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Really, Misslinda, I wish more people were as in tune with their bodies as you are! My profession would likely go bankrupt!

55 days! Whow.. it would have been really great if one could get a full set of examinations and investigations at that point to close the big mouths of the detractors of fasting..

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06 Feb 2009 19:01 #2424 by Peace Seeker
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Misslinda, I was just curious if that was water or juice for the 55 days.

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07 Feb 2009 05:27 #2432 by Misslinda
Misslinda replied the topic: Re:For what it's worth... hiking while fasting.
Andre, you always manage to make me laugh....no intentions of putting you out of business. :: smiles ::


Most definately Andre, I would have love to have gone back and done tests just for the sake of proving that fasting, done with much awareness,focus and care, can be beneficial and effective. Probably more so to prove to my family that I am not that all crazy as they believe....lol. :woohoo:

Peaceseeker, I alternated with specific dilluted juices and water depending on what my body indicated. I recall, the first 7-10 days, I started with dilluted celery,apple and ginger. Only three ingredients at the most in one recipe. I transitioned to a little dilluted citrus juice and then water. It really depended on the phase of detox I was in that determined what i needed....

I never encourage anyone to do a lengthy fast. I didn't set out for the long haul but it was what my body/mind and spirit wanted. I cannot deny what the language of the body wants...I honor it and go from there.


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07 Feb 2009 11:25 #2438 by Nemospeciale
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Amun Ra,
I active water-only fast and I know the phenomenon you experience well, but I have a question for you. What day were you on when you went on that hike? I say this because if I am not in ketosis, but have been fasting for 24+ hours, I notice a lack of power and verve when I exercise. In fact, my limbs feel like lead and if I try some fine motor skill activity at his point, say typing, I notice I'm not as dexterous either. This will change once you go into ketosis. In fact, you might feel a "second wind" hit you in the middle of your workout and BANG you feel like super man!
I feel what Dr. K is talking about when he says we are burning polluted fat while fasting too. But for me that feeling is different. I have energy at that point and I don't feel worn out, but I feel edgy and grimy and I'll get bizarre detox symptoms, like these red bumps or what looks like heat rash popping up in strange places... like my forearm, flanks, or back of knees. If that's the case, use Dr. K's detox cycle strategy. I've been using a sauna suit, as the steam room at my gym is apparently a gay pick-up spot, haha! The sauna suit works GREAT, but it starts to stink pretty quickly and is a bear to clean.
One last thing... I will never passively fast again for exactly the same reason you posted. I feel like crud those first 3 days until I run out of glucose/glycogen. I can now bang myself into ketosis with 150+ minutes on the elliptical plus some weight lifting. Any kind of anaerobic exercise (exercise that gets you out of breath) makes you burn glycogen/glucose faster like sprinting, stepping really fast, resistance exercises (weights), etc. I'm lucky in that I know about 100 different rugby conditioning drills that are fun and simple to do... all you need are cones and a good pair of sneakers/spikes. An hour or so of those and you can kiss those "labor intensive" hikes goodbye. Later, -jim

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08 Feb 2009 07:34 #2442 by Misslinda
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Seems like i've missed the obvious what the OP said.......

On or about Day 5 in the first week is typically difficult. Tiredness is expected on these days.

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11 Feb 2009 08:10 #2527 by AmunRa
AmunRa replied the topic: Re:For what it's worth... hiking while fasting.
Day 55???

Huh...

Yeah.

Uh...

I don't sound so impressive anymore, do I?


Seriously though, I am 5'11 and 160 so if I were to fast 55 days I'd come out looking like a Dachau alum. I certainly admire your commitment to what you do. In my case, I too had intended on a shorter fast, one of just 3 days, until a dude called me back from True North, a fasting clinic in California, and told me that 3 days was a useless fast because it was long enough to deprive me of nutrients and too short to activate autolysis and self-healing, so I ended up stretching it into 5 full days.

This was a foolish idea because I hadn't prepared properly for a real fast. No pre-fast healthy diet, and indeed I ate unusually prodigious amounts of animal products the preceding weekend.

Next time around, I intend on doing the whole shebang. 1 week prior, a purely vegetarian diet. 3 days prior, purely raw plant-based, and 1 day prior just juice and possibly - based on a recommendation from Andre - coconut oil to get my body in a fat metabolizing mood.

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