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13 Feb 2009 10:37 #2579 by Julia
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I am not sure what most people on this site do for a living, but I was wondering how many are in stressful and mentally demanding office jobs (e.g. bankers, lawyers, economists) and who are not self-emaployed.

Many recommendations during a fast include excercise, walking resting, and doing all sorts of wonderful and benficial things. What are people's view on doing a fast and carrying on working in a "normal" environment?

If you work in an office, where you are required to be mentally alert and do 10-16 hour days, how can you get the best out of fasting?

I have so far found only one useful trick: find out when your crisis day is (mine is the third day of the fast when I have severe palpitations, lightheadedness and no energy at all) and ensure that it falls on a weekend. As long as 2 days is enough to get the energy back, then I am normally fine by Monday. It if takes 3 days - have to take a day off.

Coming off the fast is hard in the office too, so depending on the length of the fast I start coming out at weekends as well.

Any experiences people can share?

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13 Feb 2009 11:39 #2582 by TheFastDoctor
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Initially I also fasted on a peaceful resting day. Then in time I noted that one is much more energetic and resilient on fasting days, so now I look for the most stressful and busiest day to fast. Monday has become a routine but I would add another one or two days if it is a stressful week.

Bear in mind processing food is a stress on the body and, to some extent eating is stressful to the mind: It needs to make decisions and allocate resources according to your metabolic state.

And of course, once you are catabolic/ketotic, the ketones are potent tranquilisers but, contrary to drugs, also energy boosting.

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13 Feb 2009 11:49 #2583 by Julia
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That is if you are doing 1-day fasts, but if I am on a longer fast I always have a really difficult day 3, and yes, by day 5 or 6 I feel a lot more energy so it is not difficult to get back to work (although colleagues' constant munching and the smell of coffee can be a little annoying).

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15 Feb 2009 01:04 #2615 by Misslinda
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Great topic to discuss as working while fasting has its challenges...especially for those that have physically/mentally demanding job.

Most agree with that too Andre, processing foods in our bodies, is not alway pleasant either...sometimes worse.

I actually completed a lengthy fast over a year ago while working. I work in healthcare and in a fast paced environment plus surrounded by sick people all day. Truly, I never had a bit of concern only because I prepared mindfully. I avoided people,place and things that would cause enrgetic disturbance while my body was processing. I kept hydrated and did various things to ease detox and its intensity. I have few favorite picks that I always incorporate into my fasting journey...

Dr. Singh's Mustard Powder Detox bath
Penta water
Massage oils and essential oils
Deep breathing
Walking

You've got to keep the flow going so that the toxins don't cause stagnancy. Myself, I know that days 3,5,12,20,,37,48 etc are difficult day....and I also know that on any given day, the hours of approx 9am, 11am, 3-4 pm for example, are always challenging. More so, my kidneys tend to be at their height of detox during the 5 o'clock hour.

You are definately smart in outlining when to start your fast so that the most difficult days will fall on the weekend. DETOX definately has its chanllenging moments!

Fasting does get easier and easier in DETOX as the body becomes purer.

have you started yet Julia?
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16 Feb 2009 15:55 #2651 by Julia
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Misslinda, I intend to do a longish fast in March as I have too many client events and dinners this month... and I do not like doing a day here and there as i do not come out of the fast properly and I like to take my time.

I work in an offce and am normally sat at my dest between 8am and 9pm and i am very bad at taking breaks, so the atmosphere is far from ideal (even if i am creating it myself!) If I am running around, it is easier, I find than if I am simply glued to my chair all day.

Also, when i come home in the eveing, it is a choice between sleeping or taking a relaxing bath or going ofr a walk, sleeping normally wins.... Bu t I will try the detox bath you mention, although I am very bad at baths when fasting- they drain me. Do you have them hot or warm? Also, do you have colonics (shock, horror, as the Fast Doctor will reprimand me now!)? I have never done a fast without one but am tempted to try although i am stil a little confused at how elimination will work, in particular given my office lifestyle and lack of any physical activities.

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16 Feb 2009 16:52 #2654 by TheFastDoctor
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Just a small little reprimend, dear Julia. The colon is NOT a meaningful elimination organ during a fast. What comes out the colon is primarily residues of your diet and intestinal bacteria. Toxins and waste from your cells are eliminated primarily through the kidneys and eccrine sweat glands (if water suluble), the lungs (if volatile) and the apocrine sweat glands if they are fat soluble. True, the liver also excrete some fat soluble toxins into the intestine, but that is so high up that a "colonic" is a joke. Or it would have been, if it didn't do so much damage.

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16 Feb 2009 17:03 #2656 by Julia
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so i have to excercise during my fast in order to eliminate? bye-bye sleeping time....

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16 Feb 2009 19:33 #2662 by TheFastDoctor
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Well. "Have to" is perhaps too categorical.. elimination does however work a lot better of you do. And it helps reduce side effects/symptoms. And it makes the whole experience more enjoyable.

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16 Feb 2009 19:50 #2666 by Misslinda
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Also, when i come home in the eveing, it is a choice between sleeping or taking a relaxing bath or going ofr a walk, sleeping normally wins.... Bu t I will try the detox bath you mention, although I am very bad at baths when fasting- they drain me. Do you have them hot or warm? Also, do you have colonics (shock, horror, as the Fast Doctor will reprimand me now!)? I have never done a fast without one but am tempted to try although i am stil a little confused at how elimination will work, in particular given my office lifestyle and lack of any physical activities.


Most true that it is a choice. Sometimes our own perception can really keep us in that "drained" feeling . I've been there myself where I've had to argue at myself in the car to drag myself out for a walk. In the end, I hug myself for making that choice b/c truly, I feel better,more alive and BROKE the cycle!

Dr. Singha's detox bath is based with Mustard powder. Highly effective in aiding circulations, assiting in drawing toxins thru sweating,beakdown mucous and warming.

I do not do colonics and don't believe in them. IF in dire need, I'll do Dr Giliham's powder magnesium or an enema (if it's crucial)

There are laxative teas but I have never like them and I would suggest to stay away from SENNA LEAF....that stuff to me is more hazard than good.

As Andre said, exercise will aid in the ease of detox process...grant it, we don't mean run a marathon or do an hour of aerobics but do some blood flowing movements to alleviate the detox process. You'll we feel soooooooooo much better.

Sounds like you need a prep POW WOW before your fast!

Spring is coming.....it's EXCITING that we will SPRING CLEAN!!!



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17 Feb 2009 10:29 #2684 by Julia
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There are laxative teas but I have never like them and I would suggest to stay away from SENNA LEAF....that stuff to me is more hazard than good.


I KNOW! I once had 3 cups of tea that contained senna leaf whilst fasting. I did not realise that it was there as the tea was called "relaxation" or something, and I did not read the full list of ingredients...(never making that mistake again) And I did it on the 2nd day of fasting. On the third day in the early hours of the morning, I was dehydrated, shaking, fainting, panicking and generally thinking I was about to leave this world... and then, in a rare moment of sanity, I decided to read the ingredients once again and it all became clear...

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17 Feb 2009 16:15 #2686 by Misslinda
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On the third day in the early hours of the morning, I was dehydrated, shaking, fainting, panicking and generally thinking I was about to leave this world
... and then, in a rare moment of sanity, I decided to read the ingredients once again and it all became clear...


Evey faster I've ever spoken to in the last 5 years that have used it, felt the same. Ought to be banned....

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17 Feb 2009 17:54 #2688 by TheFastDoctor
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Agreed. Although senna is a herb, it "relieves" constipation via an irritant effect on the nerve plexus of the gut, inducing rather violent movements. This causes the gut to become progressively less sensitive ("Flogging a lame horse" springs to mind!) Several years ago I read a study that indicated in some countries more than half the people wearing colostomy bags had their colectomies as a result of laxatives.

Herbs are natural, I know. Poison Ivy is one of them. Snake venom is also natural and so is arsenic.

Most good things are natural, but not all natural things are good. And the word, our inclination to feel at ease with natural stuff, is often exploited to get the money out of our purses...

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17 Feb 2009 18:31 #2689 by Julia
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No, I never take senna (except by accident :) )

Andre, what is your view on having camomile tea while fasting? Would you put it into the same category as juices (thereby making a fast into a diet)?
I sometimes crave hot water during a fast and have drank camomile (not excessively, I mean just a cup or two per day) or some other similar herbs (calendula, St John's Wort).

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18 Feb 2009 06:11 #2698 by TheFastDoctor
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If the tea helps you continue the fast, then the benefits likely outweigh the negatives. Camomile is not nutritious so your body would likely not interpret its taste as indicative of having taken in some nutrients.

The negatives you should consider is:

1. Your taste buds are recalled from their holiday. They will thus not be quite as rested when you break your fast. One of the best immediate benefits of the fast is the increased sensitivity of the taste organs.

2. Teas (or anything with taste) contains substances foreign to the body (you cannot safely inject it into a vein!) so detox is needed. Thus the immune system in the gut has to be re-activated.

3. After digestion and absorption, everything you eat or drink leaves some residue. To move the residual substances forward for elimination via the gut, the intestine uses peristalsis. This mechanism is very ineffective if there's only a small volume inside the intestine. The gut then has to contract much more powerfully if at all it is able to move the residue.

There are likely also other factors to consider. If, after considering all the pros and cons you still believe it is the right thing to do, by all means enjoy. And don't have a bad conscience when you do, else you won't enjoy it and thus not have the full benefit.

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18 Feb 2009 10:44 #2702 by Julia
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thank you, very helpful

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19 Feb 2009 04:54 #2725 by Misslinda
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I think one question to consider is, why are you taking the tea?

Dried Herbs and dried roots as teas, are concentrated forms of that particular herb or root. Traditionally, they are taken for medicinal purposes b/c they have medicinal properties. Herbs, like essential oils, have the ability to raise our body's frequency and harmonize it...

On a personal note, even a step further, depending on a person's condition, the leaf form OR the root form may be more appropriat than the other. This is more of Eatern influence--not to impose but sharing a personal view.

In France, chammomile has been used for decades as a overall body tonic. Who knows, it may be beneficial for you to use it and help you maintain your fasting journey.

Myself, I'm very selective and limited about what kinds of teas due to tannins etc. The first 10 days, I do one kind of dilluted tea OR juice until I have raised the frequency and then veer into water then back to dilluted forms of nutrients.


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19 Feb 2009 13:18 #2731 by Nemospeciale
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At the start of this thread I had nothing to add... as I haven't worked a day in nearly 4 years. But as you drifted into the use of teas and tisanes (which is tea folks' name for herbal teas that don't contain any real "tea"), I felt I had something to add.

Senna: My sister used senna (the nice one, not the nun), but remember you always want to get good quality teas/tisanes and that means organic or grown in the wild. Those pesticides and chemicals are tough to get off the leaves and you don't rinse tea, right? So they stay on there until brewing time. When she drank senna, she had really bad hemorrhoids after labor and senna is a great stool softener. The pure, high quality senna leaf tisane (loose not the blended stuff that comes in a tea bag) is powerful stuff! But the Dr. is correct. If you use too much senna... and you'll know cause it tastes nasty... it is like herbal dynamite. You will get these terrible cramps and you will spend a good bit of quality time on toilet... bring a book. :) (The only thing worse than an overdose of senna is this yoga thing called shank-prakshalana or what I simply call "shanking." DO NOT LET YOUR YOGINI GF CONVINCE YOU TO TRY THIS... NO MATTER HOW CUTE OR UMM... FLEXIBLE SHE IS!)

Chamomile: There are actually two types, Roman and German, and they differ a little in affects, but they aren't a tonic at all. A strong cup of camomile, the pure good stuff mind you, which looks like yellow daisy type flowers, can put a rambunctious child to sleep in 20 minutes. I know, cause Italian families have used it in this way, as a nerve relaxant, since the Roman empire. My dad used to powder some up in a coffee grinder and whip it into a mug of hot water... yuck, but it does help you get to sleep after a rough night shift in a factory!

I'm not an herbalist or anything like that, but I keep around certain herbs that I know work cause my family used them for generations. Camy and senna are really effective. I would add tisanes like thyme for its antibiotic properties and cinnamon if you've eaten too many sweets. I think it was Hippocrates who said this, but I might be wrong. "Let food be your medicine." That's a pretty clever thing to say I think. :)

Anyway... job interview in 3 hours... brrr... I'm so nervous! -jim

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20 Feb 2009 03:12 #2740 by Misslinda
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Chamomile: There are actually two types, Roman and German, and they differ a little in affects, but they aren't a tonic at all. A strong cup of camomile, the pure good stuff mind you, which looks like yellow daisy type flowers, can put a rambunctious child to sleep in 20 minutes. I know, cause Italian families have used it in this way, as a nerve relaxant, since the Roman empire. My dad used to powder some up in a coffee grinder and whip it into a mug of hot water... yuck, but it does help you get to sleep after a rough night shift in a factory!

I'm not an herbalist or anything like that, but I keep around certain herbs that I know work cause my family used them for generations. Camy and senna are really effective. I would add tisanes like thyme for its antibiotic properties and cinnamon if you've eaten too many sweets. I think it was Hippocrates who said this, but I might be wrong. "Let food be your medicine." That's a pretty clever thing to say I think. :)

Anyway... job interview in 3 hours... brrr... I'm so nervous! -jim


Most true Jim, that chammomile has the ability to have sedating effects. Ironically it is also considered a tonic and has the ability to strengthen and tone. It's just not considered a "hallmark" of chammomile. Myself, I am one that doesn't get sedated by chammomile but then again, it may be more of the preparation and dosage but I do feel "balanced."

LOL the Roman emprie period....I'm sure it came in handy for 'em??!!

That is a very good point in the cultivation and processing of the herbs!!!! whenever possible, sun tea.
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21 Feb 2009 05:53 #2764 by Nemospeciale
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Sun tea... now that's something I haven't tried. Does it take long to brew? Am I right in assuming it is just water and tea left out in the sun to brew? And what are the advantageous of doing so? Does it help save the vitamin C in the drink? Seems like something definitely worth investigating.
Also, I couldn't understand how camomile can be both a sedative and a tonic, but you are absolutely correct Linda! All my texts say camomile is a sedative except one... Jethro Kloss' famous BACK TO EDEN labels camomile as both a tonic and a nerve relaxant. Strange weed indeed. Thanks for the lesson. -jim :)

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21 Mar 2009 22:40 #3047 by Sky
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I am working on a temporary job cleaing a restaurant that often has mice or rats in traps, and roaches...i clean the toilets, the dining room, and the kitchen, it's disgusting, and I feel anxious everytime I prepare to go in there. I am on day 13 of my water fast. I have to protect myself from the cleaning agents by using a mask, but still it's such an unpleasent and labourous job. It sucks, but really, everytime I go there I just keep thinking that something better will come my way soon...really I have to believe this because its really quite depressing.

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