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22 Mar 2009 00:56 #3050 by Misslinda
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Sky wrote:

I am working on a temporary job cleaing a restaurant that often has mice or rats in traps, and roaches...i clean the toilets, the dining room, and the kitchen, it's disgusting, and I feel anxious everytime I prepare to go in there. I am on day 13 of my water fast. I have to protect myself from the cleaning agents by using a mask, but still it's such an unpleasent and labourous job. It sucks, but really, everytime I go there I just keep thinking that something better will come my way soon...really I have to believe this because its really quite depressing.


please don't fear it....it will cause energertic hinderance to you fasting. Think of it as "purification" here's the other thinking.....soemthing greather is coming your way, but will you be ready? "SKY" is the limit.....right?

Congratulations on full 13 days WOW!!!

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22 Mar 2009 01:35 #3051 by Meditating
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SKY - Congratulation on your fasting success. That is amazing.

It stinks that you are working a job you don't enjoy; however, on the upside anyone with a job in this economy should be happy. One thing I have learned to tell myself when things are less than I hope they would be is that it won't be like this forever. It is important to remember this when our lives seem full of joy too, as none of us will always be happy.

Life changes constantly and this is not the only job you will ever have. Just imagine how much less you would enjoy it if you weren't fasting. I always enjoy my work more when I fast.

Continued success with your fast.

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22 Mar 2009 08:29 #3054 by TheFastDoctor
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Hi Sky.. isnt't it wonderful to have people like Misslinda and Meditating on board?

One should always look at the upside of any adversity. Just like running (getting physically tired) makes an athlete fit to tolerate even more of the same, so does exposure to adverse circumstances sometimes serve to make you "mentally fit".

I am old enough to have had Holocaust survivors as patients. When you learn what they've been through, there's just nothing in life that can be worse. And yet it made them strong and determined to succeed in life. o rise above adversity.

One of the functions of fasting is indeed to create a kind of "adversity" in life to make us stronger. After fasting many time, you become almost immune to some temptations, thinking: If I can resist all food for so long, this is minor.."! I made a point of actually preparing feasts for my family on my early fasting days, then sit with them when they eat. Now I have full control over whether, when & what I am willing to eat.

So some day, dear Sky, you'll look back on this and have fond memories, being able to count your blessings. We're with you in spirit.

André

All my posts are "generic", based on my opinions and experiences only and are not intended to replace the advice of your own licensed medical practitioner.

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22 Mar 2009 17:00 #3057 by mamahuana
mamahuana replied the topic: Re:stressful jobs and fasting
Hi Sky,

Welcome among us and congratulations on a full 13 days fast!

As you said, the job you are doing is TEMPORARY, so keep that in mind - TEM-PO-RA-RY.

And don't be afraid to change jobs when you'll feel like it - FEAR is our worst enemy.

I was in your shoes, doing disgusting jobs, as a new immigrant in Israel. I washed the toilets and the hallways of Haifa University where, later, I came back as a student enrolled in Sociology, Anthropology, Psichology, etc as part of the curriculum of my Nursing Diploma.

But I always kept telling myself that:
1) What I was TEMPORARILY doing WASN'T ME
2) "Isn't this FUNNY? One day I'm going to write a book about all this!"
3) If I was going to survive that, nothing else could be worse!

So, keep your sense of humor and with it your spirits high, laugh inside yourself, because one day, you'll have the last laugh!

Alina

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22 Mar 2009 19:03 #3058 by Sky
Sky replied the topic: Re:stressful jobs and fasting
I hope I am doing this properly, the reply. I just want to say thank you to everyone for the positive support. I really am trying to be positive about this job....and yes I suppose one of the things I am learning is to not identify, and not allow others to identify me as a cleaner. It truly is not who I am...by far...but still...there is something I have internalized over the past years...even with my education I seem to keep coming back to this...maybe it feels safer...less expectations...but in terms of applying for jobs...I also find that when people see this, they have a hard time seeing past it...so I usually don't mention it....
I just had a moment... where I realized that it's time for change in my life....and this fast is really heightening this feeling....like I can't ignore it anymore.
I know I "should" be positive about this, but I don't want to be anymore. This job sucks, and quite frankly it keeps me tied too closely to my parents whom are no good for me. Yet I know i have to keep riding this out. I know I deserve better, and I know I am capable of more. I know the economy is shaky but I also know that many people are driving cars, and have more then one pair of shoes.. And so no I will not be grateful for this job, but I will try my best to stop putting so much energy into disliking this job and getting something better...and yes overcoming fear is a big part of this...I hope this long fast will inspire me to see and believe in my higher capabilities, my knowlege and experiences and my light.

I really want to thank you for all your support...I know this is just something I have to get through...sometimes its okay to not be positive about everything...it's important to acknowlege when there is something wrong, and to feel it, and then the next step, to do something to change it.
and so I will.;)
thanks for the light!
Sky

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22 Mar 2009 21:23 #3062 by TheFastDoctor
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Hi Sky.. this just brought back a fond memory of a story my late father told:

Someone noticed 2 guys chiseling away at huge rocks on a building site a few hundred years ago. He asked each of them what they were doing.

The first said: "I am making these rocks square and smooth, like the boss told me."

The second said: "I am building a cathedral".

André

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15 Oct 2009 12:42 #3999 by Dedov
Dedov replied the topic: Re:stressful jobs and fasting
Hi guys, I'm glad to be with you in this interesting and useful topic! I'm in day 4 of a water fast and I have a hard time since day 2 of my fast. I've never had it so difficult before! During the first day of my fast I felt good and energetic, so I went for a bike ride for about two hours, considering the detox effect of the sweat important. After the ride and a shower, I felt fresh. The next day(2) I went for a bike ride again, but I got very tired and I couldn't do it for more than 15 minutes! Came back home, took a shower - very tired, hardly moving. The rest of the day and the next day(3) were horrible - tiredness, pain(mild) in joints, lightheadedness, nausea. I have fasted many times before, I have had hard time, but nothing to compare. I also have to mention here, that I have never done bike rides while fasting before. So, what do you think, guys, could the bike ride and the energy I lost be the reason to feel so bad, or is it something else, the bike ride being just a coincidence?

Andre, I like the wisdom in your story!...

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15 Oct 2009 13:00 #4000 by Nemospeciale
Nemospeciale replied the topic: Re:stressful jobs and fasting
Hey Dedon,
Looks like you switched from being an experienced passive faster to an active faster... maybe without even thinking about it. Fasting and working out is a bit of a different dynamic, in my opinion. You MUST keep up with the detox while active fasting. It is your #1 priority. If you don't, you will feel horrible, crash, and be disheartened. And the best way to learn about detoxing, again in my opinion, is to read HEALTH WON or research Dr. Kruger's forum contributions on the subject.
I'm no expert or authority of any kind, but I've had some nice success... as well as some "learning experiences"... with active fasting. Besides Dr. K's detox regimen, I like to hit the sauna or steam room for 20 minutes after every big workout or, in your case, bike ride. And don't laugh at this, cause I believe it really works, but a spit cup wouldn't be a bad idea either. I'm in the middle of an active fast now and I can spit out this nasty tasting, toxic phlegm nearly all the time. You will particularly notice the desire to spit when you are in the middle of a workout and for a few hours afterwards. Get it out... It is poison leaving your body.
Anyway, spend some time studying, if you haven't already. And particularly seek out active fasters and their teachers, as I believe they have good detox strategies and tactics.
Good luck! -jim :)

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15 Oct 2009 13:26 #4001 by Meditating
Meditating replied the topic: Re:stressful jobs and fasting
Exercising probably did accelerate your rate of detox. In addition, the experience you had fasting before may be different from a current or future fast as they are each unique.

Once I had such a difficult detox that for days I puked several times a day and could not get out of bed. Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about it and just let your body what it needs to do. As Fast Doctor says, if you aren't putting anything in your body then it must be something trying to get out. You can continue biking if you feel up to it. If you feel you can't rebound from your biking enough to do it again, then don't.

You may also try to assist the detox through a hydrotherapy regime. Dr. Kruger mentions it several times on this site. I often do a salt scrub or dry brush, followed by a long, hot shower and then I take a nap. Wish I could do that right now.

Meditating

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15 Oct 2009 14:57 #4002 by Dedov
Dedov replied the topic: Re:stressful jobs and fasting
Thank you Nemospeciale and Meditating for your fast replies! Nemospecial, you are right about the spit - it works the same way with me. About the sauna...I live in one - Florida! It's over 90 F, often close to 100 F degrees in the shade every day and you even do not need to ride the bike - you start sweating the moment you go out of the house! When I go biking, I probably loose pounds of sweat - I cant get it on the scale, because I drink water at the same time, but when I come back home, my clothes have no dry spot. Well, age probably has something to do as well - 61 is little too much for extremes like this, but I still do it every now and then! Thank you both for advising me to Dr. Kruger's. I'll go and look for it now.

Dedov.

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16 Oct 2009 14:35 #4015 by Nemospeciale
Nemospeciale replied the topic: Re:stressful jobs and fasting
Meditating: I've never puked while fasting, but I can't imagine that being fun... ugh. Talk about rapid detox though... haha! I use a luffa in the shower while fasting, but never tried the dry skin rubbing. Do you find that helps? And if so, can you recommend a brush? (Type/brand/etc.) :) Thanks.

Dedov: I'm thinking that's a huge detox advantage! (I'm referring to living in the sweltering heat of Florida and being a sweater, like myself.) I carry my spit cup with me always while fasting and I'm not kidding when I say I can fill a 12 oz. cup in a day. I usually don't let it fill up though as it smells like... umm... it smells nasty. I'm thinking your bike rides are perfect for active fasting. I like intense low-impact exercises for active fasting. By intense I mean it gets your heart rate up to 65 - 90% of your max heart rate, which you can calculate with this simple formula: 220 - your age = maximum heart rate. And by low-impact, I mean easy on the joints, particularly the ankles, knees, and hips. Since bike riding is a body weight supported exercise, when sitting down of course, it is ideal, in my opinion. Hiking on a treadmill with a steep incline is great too.
But when you get into ketosis, and are burning nearly nothing but fat for fuel, you will definitely want to tone it down a bit. When I go into ketosis I switch from intense low-impact to low-intensity steady state aerobic exercise or LISS. The reason being, I can easily out perform the rate of which I create energy while in ketosis. And that leads to some unpleasant sensations... that I call "crashing!" (Exclamation point included. :)) Plus, the rate of detox will be EXTRAORDINARY!
Now, don't think LISS is any less effective or difficult. It's not either. For example, I did a LISS session at the gym last night. I did 80 minutes of treadmill hiking on a moderate incline, being careful not to let me heart rate go above 130 bpm (about 70% max heart rate). Then I did 40 minutes on the elliptical, but again keeping it at around 130-140. That's two full hours of non-stop LISS. So you see, LISS doesn't have to be easy at all.
Anyway... I probably gave you too much info as I usually do. :) I'm on a ketonic frenzy I guess. I told myself I wouldn't workout until noon and I still have 90 minutes to go... ugh. I'm glad you are seeing the benefits of active fasting. I can't think of a faster way to turn vicious cycles into virtuous ones. Keep up the great work, -jim :)

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16 Oct 2009 14:59 #4016 by Meditating
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If you are dry brushing (and you can read about the practice on the internet) you want to be sure you use a natural bristle brush and not a synthetic one. The natural bristles don't scratch your skin like the synthetic ones do. They are available in different degrees of hard/oftness. I prefer a hard boar bristle brush but I have been dry brushing so long that I am just accustomed to using a brush.

You can make a salt or sugar scrub. If you use a salt, make sure it is finely ground. Mix the salt/sugar with a good body oil like coconut, sunflower or jojoba. There are recipes on the internet. You apply it when your body is dry and then rinse it off with hot water. Be sure to put a towel in the tub because as the oil comes off the tub will be very slippery. The first time I used a salt scrub I remembered thinking that this must be what it felt like to be an Egyptian princess and have an ancient beauty treatment. It was just fabulous, but now I am used to them so they feel everyday.

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09 Sep 2010 21:02 #5087 by moltten
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This is a good topic. Many people want to fast but hesitate because they also have to keep a busy schedule. They cannot always afford to go through the detox symptoms in a retreat. But it can be done. The best option is to try a partial intermittent or liquid fast FIRST until you become accustomed to the way your body reacts. Then you can venture out and do total water and juice fasts. If you are under a lot of stress, this option keeps you safe while still allowing you to move forward with your fasting, weight loss and health-improvement goals. :-)

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