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22 Nov 2007 04:17 #275 by Malibu
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Is it OK to do toning exercises during a water fast?

If so is it safe to a little bit of cardio during a juice fast?

I'm on a water fast and wondering because I have been doing light exercises but don't want to risk getting ill.

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22 Nov 2007 07:48 #276 by Andrew
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I think this can be a pretty hot topic. Some believe quite strongly that you should just rest during a fast. I believe that rest may be more important for those who have a lot of healing to do, rather than for general detox or weight loss.

I generally go by my energy levels. Sometimes I have far too much energy to just sit on my butt and find that I NEED to do strenuous energy to avoid blowing a fuse, so to speak. In other words I can get very restless and going for a run or something similar helps a lot.

I also believe that using the muscles while fasting would encourage the body to use other flesh for digestion purposes. And it is also a good idea to get the body sweating so it's all good. And certainly I have read of several doctors who fast and advise continuing to remain active while fasting.

Some even say it may be worth trying to exercise while feeling tired during a fast as this may assist with detoxifying and help the 'crisis' pass more quickly. I have yet to try this but I would like to give that a shot next time I get the chance too.

Andrew.

\\"Truth is often painful, but ignorance is never bliss.\\"

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22 Nov 2007 20:09 #277 by TheFastDoctor
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Going with your feeling is likely the best idea. There's no single or universal \"rule\" for all. In my clinic, however, I concentrate on \"active fasting\" and found that my patients get much less detox symptoms if they do not only remain active, but actually do more exercise than usual, provided that this exercise forms part of the detox cycle. That means, while the circulation is still \"turbocharged\" by the exercise, massage it into the skin and then activate the sweat glands (sauna, steam room, hot bath, hot shower, etc.). The rationale is that we need to eliminate the toxins liberated during the fasting process. VERY rarely do I find the odd person who benefit from passivity during a fast.

Bear in mind that in nature, fasting animals are typically more active than eating ones.. after all, a well fed animal does not need to find/catch food, and typically rests to allow proper digestion. In a most basic biological sense, our bodies are \"animals\" although I believe it is inhabited by a soul.

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13 Feb 2008 06:21 #577 by johnfielder
johnfielder replied the topic: Re:Cardio or just toning?
Fasting is not a game, and should not be treated as such,with light-heartedness. It is a wonderful tool when used correctly, with due thought and understanding.
Unfortunately this is not always the case, and it is due to the lack of consideration as to the ramifications, of which death is the prime one, of not doing so, that the fast has fallen into disrepute, and become viewed by many with fear.

We are also faced with another aspect in our lives to day which as far as I have been able research, has never occurred previously in the history of man. And that is the exposure to man made chemicals, and potent drugs, the like of which, were previously unknown.Some of them are referred to as super-drugs, and then we have the social drugs, as well as all the artificial colourings, flavourings,and other chemicals used in the food industry, many of which are straight out industrial chemicals used in such instances as the manufacture of brake fluid etc.

Many of these drugs and chemicals are cumulative in our bodies, some being fat soluble and so-on, so that as soon as we commence to fast, these are then thrown into the blood-stream causing many different symptoms, some of which have the possibility of being fatal.Over the fourty odd years that I have been supervising fasts I have noted that the following drugs, - and there may well be more, amongst those I have not noted - which in my opinion are amongst the most deadly we have to deal with today. In fact I will not accept people at the Farm who are current users of these drugs for supervised fasts. And it is not until they have been free from their usage for at least six months, that I will do so. They include, Cortisone, HRT, the Pill, and marihuana.

Dr's Virginia Vetrano and Tosca Haag, have voiced the opinion, and with which I wholeheartedly concur, that due to these chemical,and drugs, that we are now using in our society, it is far more dangerous to fast these days, than ever before. Because of this situation, I would advise any-one considering fasting that you give much thought to what I have written before embarking nilly-willy on such a journey. Do make sure that you are aware of all the ramifications that can be expected during the fast. Do not contemplate fasting beyond three days without adequate supervision, unless you are very, very sure of what you are doing.Do not expect your medical Dr. to be of assistance or knowledgeable in this area. He has not had the training to do so. In fact he will most likely tell you that you have the possibility of dying after a few days or a week.

And as for resting or being active whilst fasting - unless you are overweight, also if you wish to gain the maximum of healing, then I would advise you rest.Remember you cannot use your energy for being active and for healing too. Further, if you wish to fast for health reasons, and for safety too, and here I am speaking of a prolonged fast - that is beyond three days - only do so when your body indicates for you to do so, which is when you are acutely ill, a healing crisis in Nature cure parlance. For that is the natural time to do so, and when all animals do so, except in times of famine, for then our bodies are telling us not to eat by a lack of hunger.

John

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17 Feb 2008 18:34 #594 by Rosy Lens
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Hello. I am one week past my 26 day water fast (the reason for my being here is looking for the proper way to end the fast since I have bloated like crazy - and I am back on fasting again since I am awaiting some books I ordered on How to do it properly) Anyhoo, for what its worth, my first 5-7 days of water fasting were great, i had endless energy!

I had done the MC \"fast\" to 30 days twice before in the past 18 months, so I am thankful to have had some cleansing beforehand - but after about the seventh day of water fasting my energy started going quick, and I found myself practically bed-ridden for the remaining 18-19 days of the fast - and I guess the metabolism of the bag guys was really doing its thing because I was thirsty like crazy! Just know that I tried to work-out and less than a minute later found myself barely making it to my bed and my poor body so tired that I wondered if I would recouperate ... and this happened enough times to realize any sort of energy expenditure was not in the books for me.

Now that I am off the water fast I have gained a lot of water weight in the past 4 days and I only just found out that such a thing as bloating will happen really quickly. I was eating fruits first, had a terrible craving for salt, and now... BOOM ... so here I am, concerned at what I did.

Today I am back on the water fast and have been urinating like crazy! I am sure I am on the right track, however, I find it amazing that after all the reading I did about water fasting, this process escaped me! Well thank goodness I found it, and not a moment too soon I'm sure... I awoke early this morning and was finding it hard to breath... yikes!

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17 Feb 2008 21:22 #596 by johnfielder
johnfielder replied the topic: Re:Cardio or just toning?
Hi Rosy,
IMHO the breaking of the fast is as important, if not more important, as the fast itself. This where most have a problem and where it is very beneficial, and extremely helpful to have some-one else doing the providing and preparation of the food for the breaking of the fast.

It is too easy for us to rationalise away the need for care and restraint at this time, and increase our intake of food too quickly. Further, as I have pointed out in my book \"Fasting\", it is best for our organisms,to fast when the body indicates to do so, by correct preparation, and the incidence of an \"healing crisis\", and far more natural and safer, than to just jump in, so to speak. In this way many of the problems which have been experienced, and continue to be experienced, which cause premature breaking of the fast,fear, panic, and even death, need never occur.

Of course it is always well to bear in mind the fact that there are limits to what can and cannot be achieved by the fast. Further that the fast heals nothing. It is only the vehicle that enables the body to carry out its natural process of regeneration(healing).And if we try and force the body to do what it is not ready to do(playing God), then we are truly playing with fire, and may well not like the consequences when they occur.

In conclusion might I again point out that the fast is a wonderful servant, but a poor master.Let us always use it wisely and with discretion.
John
John L Fielder,DO,DC,ND(Adel)
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Academy of Natural Living
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11 Apr 2008 04:53 #642 by TheFastDoctor
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On the topic of what is natural: Observing animals in their natural habitat (for those of us privileged enough to live among them!) we noe an important connection between eating/fasting and physical activity.

When an animal has eaten, it rests.

When it is hungry, it hunts or digs for food or keep on moving to find it.

In nature, fasting organisms are almost always more active than eating ones. This formed the basis of the evolutionary pressure that selected our genes.

Activity is easier when you fast, as about one third of your energy and circulation goes to the intestine to digest your food when you eat. When you fast, therefore, there is about a quarter more resources available to be active.

This, in a nutshell, is why I beleive in physical and mental activity and exercise while fasting.

First and second hand fasting and therapy, involving more than 6000 intensively investigated patients among more than 30 000 treated over 30 years, backed up by more than 100 000 blood test results, reinforced this theoretical backgroound, forming the basis of the little bit of information I base my advice on.

Do bear in mind however that all these patients were also actively detoxifying: Using the 5-step cycle of eliminating (hydrophobic) toxins via the sweat glands. (I have posted a detailed description elsewhere). If you just lie around waiting for the toxins to leave, you wait in vain.. and that is when you get all the side-effects that serves our detractors so well.

Happy fasting!

André

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25 May 2008 04:46 #777 by Misslinda
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Andre and John, you both make some really great points.

I persoanlly like to keep fasting simple. I believe that during fasting, \"energy\" we experience can also be the reviving of a depelted organ that has responded well to fasting. Perhaps trapped energy (stagnancy) that needs to be channeled outso that our lifeforce is replinished.

On the note of exercise, I believe that cardio is not neccessary during fasting. There is much misconception that if one does cardio or some other form of strenuous exercise, that is ought ot help us drop the weight quicker....but does it neccessarily assist in the maxamized cleansing/healing process?? To a degree certain degree.

Fasting mode is a very very delicate time. The body and senses are much more senstive where the body is functioning on limited reserves that requires rest,blood flow by means of delicate movements and meditation in order carryout the goals to cleanse,detoxify,heal and rejuvenate.

There are many ways to assist in the fasting process besides cardio....

~Misslinda

The only fasters that entail the cardio and strenuous

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25 Jun 2008 03:04 #891 by TheFastDoctor
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Careful for the marketing term \"cardio\" exercise. The heart beats all the time, and it can typically not discern whether the increased need for blood flow was induced by weight lifting, jogging or hard thinking. Sure, afterwards, physical activity does \"inform\" the heart by the production of Endorphins, more so than mental activity. But this makes very little difference to the heart. So I still do not understand what is really meant by \"cardio\" when referring to exercise.

Being very passive during a fast has one big danger: The body would \"observe\" the passive muscles, and \"think\" that they are redundant. Thus you run the risk of catabolizing muscles instead of fat. After all, protein is much more easily converted to blood sugar than what fat is. As the typical metabolism upon entering the fast is anabolic (runs on blood sugar) it is \"easier\" to switch to muscle than to fat.

By using your muscles, you \"remind\" the body that the muscles are needed for some important function, and the metabolism should rather switch to fat. I have noticed this in particular by measuring protein as well as breakdown products like Urea and Creatinine in the blood of passive vs. active fasters, and the active group came out on top. The same held for body composition (lean vs. fat body mass).

On the rare occasion I have even witnessed people gain weight during a fast! Upon comparing body composition, we found they did indeed lose fat but gained muscle. Since muscle contains only about 17 kJ (kilojoules) of energy per gram and fat contains about 35, you can build a gram of muscle plus get a lot of energy by catabolising a gram of fat.

André

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