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14 May 2008 04:14 #747 by Epiphany
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I say for myself is to not over exert myself with an exercise program during the fast. Now, I've incorporated power walking and it did me good, honest, but that was when I was severely overweight. As time progressed I've found to just tone up on the floor sometimes, and utilize weights if I can.
Work on the job and or school, but otherwise I choose to just rest.

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14 Jul 2008 08:46 #1021 by TheFastDoctor
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Good idea.. listen to your body. We have a tendency to adhere to theoretical guidelines but these are never as good as what your biofeedback tells you.

Remember we do go through biorhythms.. and what worked for you last time might not be the best for you this time. Life is dynamic, never 2 moments quite the same.

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16 Dec 2008 04:15 - 16 Dec 2008 04:17 #1471 by cricket
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I like what the original poster says and that's pretty much how I felt. I am not fasting tonight but want to start tomorrow. I ended a 3 day fast and just took it easy around the house but did do some swimming,weights,walked alot and did not get weak. I also did nap during the day in full sun.:)

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16 Dec 2008 05:27 #1476 by TheFastDoctor
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I am really very scared of the sun. With the depletion in Ozone, skin cancer is increasing at an alarming rate. I NEVER willfully expose my skin to direct sunlight. We get much more than we need from incidental and indirect exposure anyway.

Next time, try a few complete cycles of detox during your fast.. you might be pleasantly surprised.

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03 Feb 2009 05:39 #2347 by vvinnie
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When I don't have to work , I feel myself free and I think It's the best time for fasting

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03 Feb 2009 16:07 #2360 by Nemospeciale
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I've been getting really positive results from Dr. K's active-water-only fasting. I do at least 100 minutes of high intensity cardio daily (>150 bpm heart rate mostly using the elliptical and rugby conditioning drills.)
My problem is that I can't seem to release toxins as fast as I am mobilizing them. I'm going to commit myself to more exfoliating, expectorating, and sauna after working out and when I feel crappy. I'm also going to use this sauna suit idea that Weeirish recommended. I hope this is the final piece of the puzzle. I feel I'm really, really close as I have this new found motivation, self-discipline, and enthusiasm thanks to a simple 250 mg pill of acetazolamide, (for Ideopathic Central Sleep Apnea.) If this fasting regimen doesn't work, I think I'll be visiting the good doctor in South Africa in a week or so. (Poor Dr. Kruger... ha!)
My health has improved considerably since starting this regimen a few weeks ago, but I'm still crashing now and then. Anyway... I love posts on whether to actively or passively fast. I'm STRONGLY in the active school of thought now. Thanks for the info guys/gals, -jim :)

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09 Feb 2009 23:07 #2469 by Epiphany
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9 months later I still say I prefer to rest during a fast. But, I've learned that I should incorporate exercise after I stop my fast to keep things rolling straight. The endorphins released at that time going gung-ho like our friend nemospeciale (cute name, lol) are wonderful and gives us a high, positive attitude and a high self-esteem like we're unstoppable. So, with that all said I'll hit the floor maybe today, or maybe tomorrow, but one thing that will stay for certain right now is my fast!!!

BTW Nemospeciale: Where can I find that sauna suit that Weeirish recommended to you? Also what are the particulars on your improved health? Also is that a step board you're holding in your avatar? Cool! I use to loooooove step aerobics.

Good Luck everybody.

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10 Feb 2009 05:14 #2480 by TheFastDoctor
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I admire the sense of contact with your body that seems to be present. That is the ultimate source of information. But I do expect you, once having reached a certain level of detox, to develop the urge of activity during a fast. Be vigilant and look out for that, as that would be a sure sighn that your body is now ready for the active fast.

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10 Feb 2009 13:41 #2492 by Nemospeciale
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Hey Epiphany,
I think Weeirish MAKES her sauna suit and was having great success with that. I bought mine at Dick's Sporting Goods for $21. It works great. It makes you sweat just sitting around, which is how I use it after my workouts.
YES! That is a Reebok step board in my pic. I love that thing! So simple, so easy, 3 different levels...etc. I use it while watching TV or movies or even playing video games on Xbox. Next thing you know, 40+ minutes have gone by. When I'm trying to bust my fat arse into ketosis, the step is my best friend. I put it on its highest level and just keep busting out the minutes until I total 200. I've never reached 200 (collective) minutes with high stepping and not measured purple on a ketostick. It takes oxygen to burn fat, so when you do anaerobic-style workouts (exercise that really gets you out of breath) your body is forced to use more of its glucose/glycogen stores, hence speeding up ketosis. This is my secret to forcing myself into ketosis fast and avoiding the 48+ hours of horrible, yucky doldrums that comes with trying to passively enter ketosis.
I can do the same thing with 2 hours of rugby drills, which are essentially different types of running patterns done around cones I lay in the grass. Doing those with a partner, perhaps someone who also wants to force a ketosis, is really fun to do.
Give it a shot sometime and see what you think. Ketosis is always close at hand if you have the know-how. :) And that's a really really really cool thing.
Oh, you asked about improvements I've experienced. Well I was recently diagnosed with a sleep disorder called idiopathic central sleep apnea... which basically means I stop breathing at night because my body thinks I lack CO2. But now that I've been taking my meds, fasting, and working out I have noticed improvements in all arenas of my symptoms including:
1. Near constant head ache
2. Memory and cognitive impairments
3. Severe depression and lethargy
4. Intense stress, panic attacks, & irritability
5. Low sex drive
6. Immune system failures
7. Psoriasis, abscesses, rashes, & skin ulcers
8. Severe tendonitis & muscle aches
9. Metabolic & digestion problems
10. Obesity (321 lbs. --> I'm now below 270 lbs.)
11. Vision & hearing impairments
12. Severe allergies

These are the symptoms associated with chronic sleep deprivation, hypoxia, and hypercapnia. Luckily, my heart is in good shape, which is something folks like me have to worry about. ICSA killed my dad in 1999 at the age of 57. Again, luckily for me I found out I had it at 37. And luckily, luckily, luckily I found generous experts like Dr. Kruger who freely share their expertise and advice, as my health insurance ran out and I haven't worked since Thanksgiving of 2007. I still suffer from some nasty psoriasis and I still have a lot of weight to lose (about 60 lbs.), but I actually see improvement everyday. Hmm... this is a long response... I'm sorry, I should've just emailed this to you privately. I can type over 100 wpm and sometimes I just get carried away. Plus, as I said, I have very little to do now except fast, workout, and hang around the house. I'm hoping I'll be able to get out and about in early March.
Anyway, good luck with your fasting and thanks to everyone for being such quality folk. :) -jim

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10 Feb 2009 20:06 #2506 by Epiphany
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WOW!!!! Jim, you're the bomb!!! Thanks for telling me your benefits. I knew that was a step board ;) that was the first exercise method I fell in love with. Ketosis is so important, and I didn't realize that you can kick it in with exercise like that. You're such a motivation, and I thank you.
Keep up the great work!!!

Andre, how will I know when I've reached that certain level of detox? Thanks.

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11 Feb 2009 04:00 #2517 by TheFastDoctor
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Unfortunately, dear Epiphany, there's no real way of determining a "level of detox". It's like cleaning your house.. when you finish one side you can just as well start on the other again. There will always be some residual toxicity.

We've noted over quite some time though that people fasting the first time or the first time in a long while, experience a more pronounced elevation of a certain liver enzyme called ALT. This enzyme is a "workhorse" of detoxificaiton, performing a chemical binding or conjugation of toxins in the liver, so its increase gives you some idea of how hard the liver worked.

Once you fast (and detox!) regularly, the ALT no longer increase during fasting, it sometimes actually decreases. This would indicate a level of chemical load lower than what burdens the elimination organs.

And I agree, Jim's quite a motivation!

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11 Feb 2009 05:08 #2521 by Epiphany
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:blink: Too much information, but you sure know your stuff Doc. thanks.

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11 Feb 2009 12:12 #2536 by Nemospeciale
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Please, don't call me "a motivation" until I actually accomplish something. I'm still out of work. I'm not contributing to society in any meaningful way and haven't done so really since March 22, 2005. I am not participating in the things that give life meaning. I've frustrated, humiliated, and let down everyone who gives a crap about me, including myself. I only talk the talk of success hoping one day it will actually rub off on me.
There are people in here like Ami and Michelle who do everything I am doing and they are experiencing REAL success. While I struggle to put 24 good hours together, they are heroically winning good health for themselves while holding down demanding jobs and raising wonderful families. They are real motivators, the real success stories, but because I'm loud and obnoxious, people seem to remember me more.

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11 Feb 2009 12:32 #2537 by TheFastDoctor
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Well Jim, at the very least you're a motivational author.. how about making more of this skill of yours? You've inspired quite a few of us, don't under-estimate yourself.

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11 Feb 2009 22:55 #2543 by Epiphany
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For real Jim, I agree with Andre. Come on man who is perfect? Nobody, okay?! You're just tripping right now, and please believe me I KNOW about tripping way too much!!! I'm Bipolar and I don't care who knows, its not a secret, but mainly I have accepted it. Really Jim don't beat yourself up and you are a motivation to me and others. Honey we all can list our shortcomings, shoot if we all did we will be upset too. Just focus on what you're doing right, and if you slip oh well start over cause you're only human. I'm a say a prayer for you and I hope things come around soon for you. I like your boldness to even admit how you're feeling, that takes strength! Do you know how many people just "pretend" to others everyday? Its 9 out of 10 because they don't want somebody judging them, or they don't want to seem weak. It takes a strong person like you and I and others to admit their shortcomings. It is what it is so don't even trip, I'm still in awe of you Jim. Keep your head up!!!! (((HUGS)))

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12 Feb 2009 13:53 #2558 by Nemospeciale
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I've pulled it together today. Thanks. :) I just thought I'd be further along by now. I've been taking these damn pills since July 17th. I just want my life back. There are things I can do better. I was given this regimen of about a dozen things and I don't do them all a rigorously as I should. I guess I should think of these pills as something to "manage" the disorder and not "cure" it. Nobody told me I'd be cured, so I don't know why I thought that anyway. As always, my problems stem from an error in my logic. :) I'm back on the horse and ready to go. Thanks for the pick-me-up. -jim :)

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12 Feb 2009 14:45 #2559 by TheFastDoctor
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Good to learn about your improvement Jim.

Unfortunately the vast majority of medications we prescribe is just what you say: Managing the situation, not "curing" it. A permanent resolution is not in the interest of the pharmaceutical industry, they prefer to have you as a life long client.

To some extent, also unfortunately, lifestyle therapies such as fasting does also not exert a permanent effect. If you have been sick once, the likelyhood is that you'll develop the same condition again if the same genes are exposed to the same situation: Diet, environment, thought pattern, etc. That's one reason why I fast at least one 40 hour period per week: It's like turning a new page every time, never allowing any condition time to "build up" longer than a few days at a time.

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12 Feb 2009 14:53 #2560 by Nemospeciale
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Dr. K,
If you think you can help me with ICSA, just say the word and we'll talk consulting fee. I could use a regular doctor who knows something about this. Over here, I have to use specialists and they are (a) impossible to get to without going through general practitioners and (b) are incredibly expensive, especially for a guy like me without health insurance. I was led to believe that there is no cure for ICSA, but that managing it shouldn't be a problem. My spot oximeter readings have been good mostly... between 90-97 for the past 3 months, although I had an 86 the other night.
Care to take on a new patient? Email me either way: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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