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14 Mar 2009 18:19 #2969 by david
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Whenever man (or woman but mostly man) intervenes with nature it raises alarm bells. There are only a few natural spring waters which contain naturally carbonated gas. Vichy, St Pellegrino, and Perrier are the one's I know of but even those are artificially dosed with carbonic gas to boost the natural levels of gas at source.My science is not good enough to know if there are different qualities of carbonic gas, but from my understanding of Nature, it always has a softer gentler way of doing things than when we force things together in a laboratory. For example I have read that manufactured vitamin c has a different atomic structure to natural vitamin c. Something about the molecules being a left handed instead of right handed or vice versa. So I ask myself do we fully understand all the implications of adding carbonic gas to bottled water.

I am interested in this topic for two reasons: Firstly carbonated water is often recommended in the forums as a means to controlling hunger during a water fast. And it definitely works as I drank exclusively carbonated water during my last 5 day fast.

Secondly a site member suggested in one of the recent posts that acid reflux may well have been caused by drinking carbonated water during another member's water fast.

I have added this thread as it would be great to get varying views and opinions and more facts on this topic.

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14 Mar 2009 19:27 #2971 by mamahuana
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Wow, David! That machine looks impressive :blink:

Anyways, I consumed Borsec mineral water during my last fast, and this is a mineral water from my native Romania and luckly they have it in Canada, too.

It is naturally carbonated spring water and has received a few gold medals for its qualities. Look here for more info:

www.alibaba.com/product-free/10867265/BORSEC_Mineral_Water.html

I guess, as with everything, water or vitamis from natural sources are better than those synthetically/artificially created.



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14 Mar 2009 19:49 #2972 by david
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Great post, but the question still remains does the natural carbonated water cause acid reflux? And the reservation I have about imported bottled water is that it sits for so long in a bottle. I have a problem with this and this is also partly why I stopped drinking bottled water. Plus the fact that it has to be transported everywhere contributing to the Greenhouse gasses etc. Sorry for being so puritan, but I will check out the source of your Romanian water. Thanks

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14 Mar 2009 20:30 #2973 by mamahuana
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David, I think that carbonated beverages (naturally or artificially carbonated water included) can cause the lower esophageal sphincter (LES) -the muscular valve at the bottom of the esophagus- to relax and allow the acidic material from the stomach to move up into the esophagus.

Also, the bubbles in the water can trigger one to burp, and this in turn will encourage the reflux of the acidic material from the stomach to go up into the esophagus, too.

I find this Borsec water as being almost flat water: the bubbles are very "subtle" plus, as I said before it is naturally carbonated and not with that monstruous machine :woohoo:


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14 Mar 2009 23:06 #2974 by Meditating
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This is an interesting thread. I drink carbonated, mineral water daily. I know the organic minerals aren't really good for you but I love carbonated, mineral water. I too worry about the carbonation and it is the one thing I make an exception for.

The articles I have read state that carbonated mineral water is equal to regular tap water. They mention that they are equally able to hydrate the body, but I don't think that answer addresses the question from a health perspective. I don't buy the answer either unless the vendors are perpetrating a complete fraud (which is possible) that the water comes from the melting glacier ice, which I don't think has chlorine and fluoride in it. I am not sure that the "health experts" who look at it solely from the issue of hydration understand that chlorine and fluoride are unhealthy.

I know it contributes to greenhouse gases to transport bottled water, but I will not drink or eat anything that is packaged in plastic. DAVID, what concerns do you have about water being stored in glass containers for extended periods? I always understood that glass, and possibly quality stainless steel, are about the only things that don't leach into liquids. That bothers me more than the idea of man made carbonation, but since I haven't found any negative information on carbonation I may just not be uninformed. When I say I haven't found any negative information on carbonation, I also don't think I found a source on carbonation that took into account the health issues from a non-conventional perspective.

I drink at least a liter of carbonated water daily. I also usually drink one IZZE carbonated fruit juice daily too. I never have reflux issues from all the carbonation but everyone is different. This article suggests that carbonated water may actually help indigestion: http://bastyrcenter.org/content/view/899 .


I recently looked into the cost of buying a seltzer bottle and carbonating my own water. I like the water I can buy locally (RO, infra-red, and carbon filtered) and thought about carbonating it myself as a means to save on the carbon footprint of buying water. I am concerned that the at-home process will put some toxin into the water that is not in the other, but I have not been able to find any information one way or another.

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15 Mar 2009 00:40 #2980 by TheFastDoctor
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My little input about carbonation: I agree that glass is the best container. Natural water finds itself in glass most of the time anyway: Soil is made up of inter alia sand, which is usually particles of silicone almost identical to glass..

Some carbonated water is chemically treated with a "surfactant", a substance that reduces the surface tension of water, making it easier to pump it quite full of carbon dioxide. I prefer a naturally carbonated water of course, but if one adds pure carbon dioxide to any water, it is very little different from what happens to the water when it enters your blood stream anyway: After all, there's carbon dioxide in your blood, and this dissolves into the water. It's the surfactants I don't trust.

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15 Mar 2009 00:54 #2981 by Meditating
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ANDRE' - Good to know about the surfactants. My water doesn't list that, but I will contact the manufacturer and ask. You just can't trust labels anymore.

Is there any chance the elevated levels of CO2 in the water, which are dissolved into the blood, will make the elimination of CO2 otherwise in the body less efficient?

Thank you for your response,
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15 Mar 2009 07:30 #2987 by TheFastDoctor
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Actually it is likely to make the elimination of CO2 MORE efficient rather than less. CO2 is a potent vasodilator: It causes blood vessels to dilate, increasing perfusion of the tissues. Then the higher concentration in the blood causes more diffusion into the alveoli in your lungs.

You can experience the effects of low CO2 by hyperventilating. If you do this aggressively enough, you may faint.

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15 Mar 2009 12:16 #2992 by Meditating
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Now that you mention it, I seem to recall that my hypertension did ease up a smidge after I began drinking carbonated water daily, which was about a year ago. Interesting. Downside though, very acidic.

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15 Mar 2009 15:43 #2997 by TheFastDoctor
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Acidic yes, but very easily buffered. Taking a few deep breaths can blow off enough carbon dioxide to make you symptomatically alkalotic. Plus, all the blood proteins are acids (Amino acids) much more potent than carbonic acid that forms from CO2.

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